[quote]doogie wrote:
etaco wrote:
Are “canned” hunts as this one supposedly was common in hunting? Are they considered “sporting” by most hunters?
How do you have a canned bird hunt? [/quote]
From what I’ve read on this it seems that they raised the birds in captivity and released them right before the hunt. I’m assuming this is done so they don’t have to track anything. I’ll fully admit that I don’t know much about hunting, but that doesn’t seem terribly sporting to me.
[quote]etaco wrote:
From what I’ve read on this it seems that they raised the birds in captivity and released them right before the hunt. I’m assuming this is done so they don’t have to track anything. I’ll fully admit that I don’t know much about hunting, but that doesn’t seem terribly sporting to me. [/quote]
Heh. Great. You come walking up and the birds come over looking for snacks.
I was stuck in a bag and kidnapped today, fuck, help me, I’m lost and I can’t find the food dish. Hello? BLAM! Fuck, run away, run away… hey, this old guy looks friendlier… sir, sir, wtf is up. BLAM! Fuck, fuck, run away, run away.
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Somebody needs to take the hunter safety course again.
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AHahhahahahah.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
However, it must be a real letdown to realize that W. received more votes than any President in history.
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Our population is the biggest it has ever been. W. did not receive the highest percentage of popular votes of any President in history. Far from it.
This poor bastard apparently had a heart attack in the hospital now. Apparently there is a pellet near his heart.
[quote]etaco wrote:
doogie wrote:
etaco wrote:
Are “canned” hunts as this one supposedly was common in hunting? Are they considered “sporting” by most hunters?
How do you have a canned bird hunt?
From what I’ve read on this it seems that they raised the birds in captivity and released them right before the hunt. I’m assuming this is done so they don’t have to track anything. I’ll fully admit that I don’t know much about hunting, but that doesn’t seem terribly sporting to me. [/quote]
I’ve been to the Armstrong ranch a couple of times, and it doesn’t seem like that kind of place.
I know Cheney did a canned pheasant hunt in PA in 2003 (which I agree is a very pussy thing to do), but where did you hear this hunt was canned?
If the guy dies because of these injuries, would it make sense to charge Cheney with something like involuntary manslaughter?
[quote]vroom wrote:
This poor bastard apparently had a heart attack in the hospital now. Apparently there is a pellet near his heart.
If the guy dies because of these injuries, would it make sense to charge Cheney with something like involuntary manslaughter?[/quote]
Oh lord.
[quote]vroom wrote:
This poor bastard apparently had a heart attack in the hospital now. Apparently there is a pellet near his heart.
If the guy dies because of these injuries, would it make sense to charge Cheney with something like involuntary manslaughter?[/quote]
I was just wondering that. Although I hope this guy lives.
On a seperate note…It would be too ironic to see Cheney arraigned for killing…a rich white Texan republican. The fates have a sense of humor.
[quote]vroom wrote:
This poor bastard apparently had a heart attack in the hospital now. Apparently there is a pellet near his heart.
If the guy dies because of these injuries, would it make sense to charge Cheney with something like involuntary manslaughter?[/quote]
Oh no, only if he was liberal or gay.
Doogie, I’m just asking because I don’t know.
Sometimes, in some situations, it seems like the authorities almost always file a charge, and I’m wondering if this is one of them.
Do people who are not involved in politics that kill someone while hunting get charged often?
Seriously, I really hope the guy pulls through, but it was an honest question. I mean, I know there will be a political circus in such a situation, but viewing it dispassionately, this is a fascinating chapter in history.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh lord.
Doogie, I’m just asking because I don’t know.
Sometimes, in some situations, it seems like the authorities almost always file a charge, and I’m wondering if this is one of them.
Do people who are not involved in politics that kill someone while hunting get charged often?
Seriously, I really hope the guy pulls through, but it was an honest question. I mean, I know there will be a political circus in such a situation, but viewing it dispassionately, this is a fascinating chapter in history.[/quote]
This was an accident. This was an accident by a Republican, shooting another Republican, on a ranch in Texas. No charges will be filed. No wrongful death lawsuit will be filed.
Accidents happen. I’ve been peppered more times than I can count, mainly hunting with drunk coaches (mostly Republicans if that pleases you). I’ve had my dad pour whiskey on me while they scrubbed the shot out of my back. I had a friend lose an eye dove hunting.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Accidents happen. I’ve been peppered more times than I can count, mainly hunting with drunk coaches (mostly Republicans if that pleases you). I’ve had my dad pour whiskey on me while they scrubbed the shot out of my back. I had a friend lose an eye dove hunting. [/quote]
I am not a hunter, but if someone is drunk and accidently shoots someone else, isn’t that manslaughter? I am not saying whether or not Cheney (2 DUIs when he was younger) had anything to drink. But when Jason Williams accidently shot the limo driver when he was drunk, he was tried for manslaughter, and somehow beat the rap. I would think that if he dies, there would have to be an investigation.
Prof. X,
Why isn’t the reporting from the doctors at the hospital a HIPAA violation?
[quote]dermo wrote:
doogie wrote:
Accidents happen. I’ve been peppered more times than I can count, mainly hunting with drunk coaches (mostly Republicans if that pleases you). I’ve had my dad pour whiskey on me while they scrubbed the shot out of my back. I had a friend lose an eye dove hunting.
dermo wrote:
I am not a hunter, but if someone is drunk and accidently shoots someone else, isn’t that manslaughter? I am not saying whether or not Cheney (2 DUIs when he was younger) had anything to drink. But when Jason Williams accidently shot the limo driver when he was drunk, he was tried for manslaughter, and somehow beat the rap. I would think that if he dies, there would have to be an investigation.[/quote]
Come on. No one has even HINTED that Cheney was drunk or even drinking.
the county police cleared him of charges.
i strongly disagree with his politics, but generally believe this was a pure accident, and think nothing of it. it’s a distraction from all the other stuff he’s pulling.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Prof. X,
Why isn’t the reporting from the doctors at the hospital a HIPAA violation? [/quote]
You would have to show the specific “reports”. Patient private info remains private until a crime is committed or the patient dies. Please show specifics of what you are talking about. If the patient allows for info to be released, it is no violation. That could very well be what happened here. I have no doubt he was asked because this is an incident involving someone with a very high profile in society. I also know that all bullet wounds have to be reported to authorities so there goes patient privacy if you get shot.
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doogie wrote:
Prof. X,
Why isn’t the reporting from the doctors at the hospital a HIPAA violation?
Professor X wrote:
You would have to show the specific “reports”. Patient private info remains private until a crime is committed or the patient dies. Please show specifics of what you are talking about. If the patient allows for info to be released, it is no violation. That could very well be what happened here. I have no doubt he was asked because this is an incident involving someone with a very high profile in society. [/quote]
http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_4466081,00.html
Whittington suffers heart attack, returns to ICU
By Jaime Powell/Caller-Times
February 14, 2006
The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice President Dick Cheney on a weekend hunting trip suffered a minor heart attack this morning and is back in intensive care, hospital officials said.
A piece of birdshot was either touching or embedded in Harry Whittington’s heart and caused a minor heart attack about 6:30 a.m., said Peter Banko, vice president and administrator of Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial.
Whittington underwent cardiac catheterization, a procedure to measure blood pressure within the heart and how much oxygen is in the blood. It also is used to get information about the pumping ability of the heart muscle, according to the American Heart Association.
Dr. David Blanchard, the hospital’s director of emergency services, said heart irritation caused by a 5 millimeter BB lodged in or near Whittington’s heart was diagnosed during a morning examination.
[quote]doogie wrote:
doogie wrote:
Prof. X,
Why isn’t the reporting from the doctors at the hospital a HIPAA violation?
Professor X wrote:
You would have to show the specific “reports”. Patient private info remains private until a crime is committed or the patient dies. Please show specifics of what you are talking about. If the patient allows for info to be released, it is no violation. That could very well be what happened here. I have no doubt he was asked because this is an incident involving someone with a very high profile in society.
http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_4466081,00.html
Whittington suffers heart attack, returns to ICU
By Jaime Powell/Caller-Times
February 14, 2006
The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice President Dick Cheney on a weekend hunting trip suffered a minor heart attack this morning and is back in intensive care, hospital officials said.
A piece of birdshot was either touching or embedded in Harry Whittington’s heart and caused a minor heart attack about 6:30 a.m., said Peter Banko, vice president and administrator of Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial.
Whittington underwent cardiac catheterization, a procedure to measure blood pressure within the heart and how much oxygen is in the blood. It also is used to get information about the pumping ability of the heart muscle, according to the American Heart Association.
Dr. David Blanchard, the hospital’s director of emergency services, said heart irritation caused by a 5 millimeter BB lodged in or near Whittington’s heart was diagnosed during a morning examination.
The hospital is treating Whittington with medication and he will remain hospitalized for an additional week for observation, Blanchard said.
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When I was in high school I worked at Ben Taub hospital. They would get the most gunshot victims of any hospital in the state, I believe, because of its location and their acceptance of people with limited insurance or no insurance. Any gunshot victims have to be reported to the police. Once the police are contacted, it is no longer “private”. That, along with being a high profile incident, would lead me to believe that the rules do not apply. Think about what we know about Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s illness and treatment.
[quote]etaco wrote:
doogie wrote:
etaco wrote:
Are “canned” hunts as this one supposedly was common in hunting? Are they considered “sporting” by most hunters?
How do you have a canned bird hunt?
From what I’ve read on this it seems that they raised the birds in captivity and released them right before the hunt. I’m assuming this is done so they don’t have to track anything. I’ll fully admit that I don’t know much about hunting, but that doesn’t seem terribly sporting to me. [/quote]
This is true, the birds are raised in captivity and released prior to the hunt. To be clear, a canned bird hunt and a canned big game hunt are two very different things and I have/would never hunt canned big game. I’ve been on both canned and wild hunts for birds. As far as the experience goes, there’s not much difference between canned hunts and wild, especially, when the dogs have most of the training/talent and do most of the work. Depending on who you talk to it’s still considered pretty sporting as the birds aren’t domesticated (it’s not as bad as vroom protrays it), and once again the dogs do most of the work. Is it sporting? If you consider going out and coming back with nothing part of the sport, then no, the canned hunt tries to ensure this doesn’t happen. I see no difference between a canned hunt (for birds) and fishing a stocked pond.