[quote]pushharder wrote:
Besides the obvious, exactly what do you mean?[/quote]
I think I mean what I take to be the obvious meaning. The article talked about very young girls, as young as 9 or 10 taking part in these ceremonies and making vows. Further, the vow wasn’t “until you are ready” or “until you are older” it was “until you are married.”
Now, when you just phrased it, the hypothetical girl taking the vow is is 15 or 16, and the vow is “until you are older.”
So my question is, as a father, do you see a difference in
a) how it would be perceived by the child
b) the educational and psychological effect it would have for the child
c) the likelihood of adherence
e) the ethical correctness
f) anything else I haven’t thought of
between the situation as indicated in the article and the situation as indicated by you just a few posts ago?
Or, alternatively, am I reading too much into your alterations of the original conditions, and those were (in your view) only slight alterations that have no substantial impact on the outcome?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
Leave it to conservative christians to teach that a natural human function is a sin.
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How embarrasing that must be for the little girl who has to go through with something like that.
You just know that 99% of them are only doing it because there parents are making them so they can brag to their christian friends how holy and good their daugher is.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
This is really the age old “they’re going to do it anyway so why bother” argument. It makes no sense and never has.
A good parent doesn’t throw their hands up in the air and just accept whatever happens without first trying to make the proper outcome happen.
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Actually, it’s the old double standard. Fathers can’t stand the thought of their ‘innocent’ daughter enjoying sex. But for some reason, the majority of fathers don’t hold this same standard with their sons.
Personally I think the idea of staying a virgin until you’re married is silly. To each his own.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
f_fatman9999 wrote:
…To be honest, the idea of either my son or daughter enjoying protected sex doesn’t scare me like most parents…
So as long as your 13, 14, or 15 year old (or older or younger?) daughter makes sure the football team slaps on their rubbers, you, Dad, are just as happy as a pig in a poke?[/quote]
Ah, the double standard, Push style.
Would you be opposed to your son having protected sex with more than one woman at the same time?
Also, when are you going to have that stay a virgin until marriage ceremony for your son? You do think it’s just as important for your son to stay a virgin until he’s married (so no sex for either your son or daughter until they’re about twenty-seven or so) as it is for your daughter right?
Or are you a hypocrite? You know, one of those dipshits that want their son to screw as many hot chicks as possible but expect your daughter to stay a virgin until she’s married.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Possibly, but my understanding of this is it comes from the daughter and her dad is just there supporting her. Am I wrong?
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by “it comes from the daughter.” In many if not most cases, I would imagine the idea for the ceremony and vows comes from the parents. And the father isn’t just supporting her… he is also pledging to keep his mind “pure” and abstain from pornography or whatever else.
Educational, as in: what does it teach a child about the nature of a contract, vow, or pledge. Further, how will they possibly reflect upon it later in life as an extension of parental authority?
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Sounds like you know more about it than me. I can’t comment specifically.
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I’m just basing it on the article in the OP.
Well, I never said that the parents didn’t have the right to do it… and I don’t recall anyone else saying that either, although I could be wrong.
I think it is unfair to exact a promise from your children to do or be something for the rest of their lives. Not just “while you’re under my roof” or “until you support yourself,” but - forever.
That’s all. But you seem to be getting exasperated, I’m certainly not saying anything new at this point, and I don’t think I will convince you. I do think I understand where you are coming from a little better.
Perhaps twenty years from now I will look back on this internet debate and laugh at my foolishness.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I could be wrong but that’s my hunch.
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Your hunch is wrong.
Why don’t you ask your MOD friends to tell you who I am (MOD, not that you give a shit, you have my permission to tell anything you want about me to push).
[quote]pushharder wrote:
No “Push style” double standard my fat and friendly impostor. I said it was a societal and biological double standard. Your reading comprehension skills are sloppy.
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Societal double standards are imposed by people like you.
The biological double standard only exists in your mind and in the minds of people like you.
Woman enjoy sex just as much as men do. Women are equally intelligent enough as men are to properly use condoms.
Then answer my question, when are you going to have the virgin until marriage ceremony for your son?
Also, how old were you when you lost your virginity. Did you wait until you were married?
Here’s my hunch, you first had sex when you were a teen, you had more than one sex partner before you ever got married, and you’re a hypocrite.
Your attempts at dodging pertinent questions are amaturish. My questions to your are no less relevant then your question of whether posters have children or not. Answer the question posed or you have NO credibility.