VMA's, Miley & Our Culture

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
If she wasn’t formerly with Disney, and was just some pop star being lewd on stage (think Kesha, maybe Lady Gaga when they appeared on the scene), the reaction would be totally different. We’re willing to accept Kesha and Gaga for what they are, but we want to call Miley out for doing the same thing? Or we want to blame Disney? Fuck that.[/quote]

That is the rub of the situation. And I can for certain tell you that being the father of a daughter has changed my view from more in line with yours, to more in line with B or A.

If my daughter was a tween, and grew up watching Hanna Montana, with typical tween girl celebrity worship, I have to fight doubly hard now to prove to her that you don’t have to act like a skank to get attention. Because this girl, lets face it Miley is still a girl, has turned in the direction she has.

I’m not sating I’m right, wrong or indifferent, but it doesn’t sit well with me, what happened last night. [/quote]

This is the problem with celebrity worship. It will always go wrong. It’s akin to the father who told his son “See that guy Tiger Woods? He’s a stand-up guy. That’s someone to look up to. He does things the RIGHT way.” The father should have said “See that guy Tiger Woods? He plays golf well. If you want to play golf well, you should analyze and emulate his golf swing and his dedication to the game”.

Because when shit goes wrong, and you told your kid that some celebrity was worth looking up to, you have to deal with the consequences when you’re proven wrong. If you’ve got a kid that’s saying “I want to be like ___ when I grow up”, you’ve gotta nip that shit in the bud. I recognize that this is much easier said than done, but I also know plenty of parents are willing to feed into the celebrity worship idea, mostly because they do it themselves.

I used the Tiger example because that was my dad. He was absolutely crushed when it turned out Tiger was a shit head. That shouldn’t happen.

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it’s shocking so they do it.

Kids want to shock so they copy it.

Quit being shocked and kids won’t want to repeat it.

Legalize prostitution and tell your daughter EXACLTY what they do, with the right mind she will understand and do anything she can to avoid taht lifestyle.

this shit is all so YAWN*** I mean YAWN at Miley cyrus YAWN at the pathetic attempt to shock YAWN at the small minded people who are offended.

Talk with your kids about drugs/sex/criminals etc inform them (at the right age) and they will understand to stay away from it and live the right (classy) way.

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I think America has a problem when it is common place to throw your values onto everyone else.

If you want to protect your kids from what they see to that degree, turn the fucking tv off.

Don’t blame me, her, that guy, or Miley for your kids watching public tv and actually seeing a “non-sex mimic that is nothing like sex done by a woman with the body of a 10 year old boy”.

Miley isn’t raising your kids.

That latex outift isn’t raising your kids.

Disney isn’t raising your kids.

YOU ARE

I am way more worried that Miley has not been exposed to the actual round asses that can be viewed in Texas even on white women.
Yes, white women may look like Miley in other parts of the world…but in Texas, even the Miley’s have a badunkadunk in the trunk.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You know what the real problem is here?

Grown men an women watching another grown woman…and getting offended that this woman didn’t keep acting like a little school girl for the sake of their poor children.

I find that to be pure nonsense…bullshit.

Do you know why I didn’t know about this? I don’t watch tv.

If you are that damn offended, blame yourself for not just turning the fucking tv off.[/quote]

100% with you on each of these points. Anyone who wants to place their own expectations on Miley is foolish. What Miley did from ages 1-17 is largely based on her parents. What she does 18+ is entirely up to her. It’s like people think that Miley should be doing what’s best for them, and not herself. How fucked up is that?

I also would not have seen this or known about it had I not clicked on this thread. Cable TV is not necessary. If I end up with kids, they will not be raised in front of a TV.

“I’m not a role model” - Charles Barkley.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You know what the real problem is here?

Grown men an women watching another grown woman…and getting offended that this woman didn’t keep acting like a little school girl for the sake of their poor children.

I find that to be pure nonsense…bullshit.

Do you know why I didn’t know about this? I don’t watch tv.

If you are that damn offended, blame yourself for not just turning the fucking tv off.[/quote]

lol, You live in a bubble on this one man. That isn’t an attack, it just is what it is.

Any parent in the world can turn the TV off and shield their kids from the culture being sold to them all they want. But you kids have friends, and then just watch this on youtube or read about it in pop culture rags. Couple posts ago you advised people not raise their kids in Disney bubbles, but here you want them to raise their kids in an anto-MTV bubble?

When little boys and girls grow up thinking this is what gets you attention, there are consequences. And when adults trying to have a conversation about those consequences are met with “you need ot raise your kids different” “Turn off the TV” or some other comment devoid of reality we get nothing but more of this.

You can act like all the parents concerned for the world we leave our kids are parenting wrong all you want, but end of the day, it matters.

Also please note I didn’t say this should be taken off the air, she should be shunned or silenced, nor did I suggest anyone do anything differently than they had or will. All I was looking for was a conversation about the current pop culture…

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I sure hope Macaulay Culkin hasn’t had sex yet…for the sake of the kids.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
If I end up with kids, they will not be raised in front of a TV.

“I’m not a role model” - Charles Barkley.[/quote]

I suppose you will choose your child’s social circles for them? Their interests? Their hobbies, strengths and weaknesses too?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Any parent in the world can turn the TV off and shield their kids from the culture being sold to them all they want. But you kids have friends, and then just watch this on youtube or read about it in pop culture rags. Couple posts ago you advised people not raise their kids in Disney bubbles, but here you want them to raise their kids in an anto-MTV bubble?[/quote]

Yes, fuck MTV even more than Disney.

MTV hasn’t showed videos in over two decades.

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When little boys and girls grow up thinking this is what gets you attention, there are consequences.[/quote]

Well, I hate to break this to you, but they already learned from youtube that dumbass shit makes you famous.

Don’t blame Miley for what Jackass made popular.

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And when adults trying to have a conversation about those consequences are met with “you need ot raise your kids different” “Turn off the TV” or some other comment devoid of reality we get nothing but more of this.[/quote]

? But it’s true.

Miley isn’t a little kid and they weren’t showing Sesame Street last night.

Turn the damn tv off.

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You can act like all the parents concerned for the world we leave our kids are parenting wrong all you want, but end of the day, it matters. [/quote]

Really?

It matters that a grown women danced like Madonna did 20 years ago?

And people are still being shocked?

Really?

[quote]
Also please note I didn’t say this should be taken off the air, she should be shunned or silenced, nor did I suggest anyone do anything differently than they had or will. All I was looking for was a conversation about the current pop culture…[/quote]

Oh, pop culture today mostly sucks because it is now about “viral videos” and “taking a dump on video for your friends”.

Look, this world is going to hell…and it has been headed that way for a very long time.

Miley sure as hell didn’t break the camel’s back.

That camel got fucked in the ass with no lube in the 80’s and 90’s.

Anything now should just be a blip on the radar.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Kids have been doing stupid shit forever. It has nothing to do with celebrities. At best, celebrity antics can inspire more specific behaviors, but even without our nutty celebrities, teenagers would be acting foolish.[/quote]

Correct.

But what kind of culture are we selling them?

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

This is the problem with celebrity worship. It will always go wrong. [/quote]

Pretty much what I was getting at from jump street.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Look, this world is going to hell…and it has been headed that way for a very long time.

Miley sure as hell didn’t break the camel’s back.

That camel got fucked in the ass with no lube in the 80’s and 90’s.

Anything now should just be a blip on the radar.[/quote]

lol, okay, we are relatively on the same page here.

I guess my question is; why sit back and let it happen?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Kids have been doing stupid shit forever. It has nothing to do with celebrities. At best, celebrity antics can inspire more specific behaviors, but even without our nutty celebrities, teenagers would be acting foolish.[/quote]

Correct.

But what kind of culture are we selling them?[/quote]

One filled to the brim with bullshit.

Where people can act like they questioned Obama’s birth records and no one had any racial issues behind that at all.

Where every athlete is on whatever they need to win…and people keep lying to kids about how “clean” the world is.

Look, Disney can represent the false world some want to raise their kids in…a world that never existed…where rapes don’t happen and grown women don’t “drop it like it’s hot” on stage in their underwear.

Where gumdrops rain from the sky instead of Hurricane Katrinas.

It’s all bullshit…and making your kids think Disney is real life ain’t helping them.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
If I end up with kids, they will not be raised in front of a TV.

“I’m not a role model” - Charles Barkley.[/quote]

I suppose you will choose your child’s social circles for them? Their interests? Their hobbies, strengths and weaknesses too?[/quote]

No, I will instead guide them as best I can to make good choices in these areas. I’ll also take the time to have that conversation where you explain that life isn’t just about ‘getting attention’. Most of your posting here has pretty much ignored the role of the parent. I realize parents can’t control everything their kids do, but I also know kids tend to emulate their parents quite a bit. If a parent spends a lot of time watching TV, talking about celebrities, etc, they probably will too. Just because I won’t be able to choose my kid’s strengths, weaknesses, or interests, doesn’t mean I can’t steer them towards some good options.

My parents had A LOT to do with the social circles I was in from a young age. Parents are essentially able to control completely who their kids hang out with outside of school. Parents are the ones with the car keys.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

? But it’s true.

Miley isn’t a little kid and they weren’t showing Sesame Street last night.

Turn the damn tv off.

[/quote]

Again, I can turn the TV off all day long, shit I can burn them and teach my kids the TV sucks their soul.

They have friends, they go to school… They live in the world.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Kids have been doing stupid shit forever. It has nothing to do with celebrities. At best, celebrity antics can inspire more specific behaviors, but even without our nutty celebrities, teenagers would be acting foolish.[/quote]

Correct.

But what kind of culture are we selling them?[/quote]

who is ‘we’?

you don’t have to buy everything that’s sold to you.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

? But it’s true.

Miley isn’t a little kid and they weren’t showing Sesame Street last night.

Turn the damn tv off.

[/quote]

Again, I can turn the TV off all day long, shit I can burn them and teach my kids the TV sucks their soul.

They have friends, they go to school… They live in the world. [/quote]

It’s not about turning off the TV. It’s about understanding why it doesn’t matter what’s on TV in the first place. That’s where the lesson is.

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I’ll just leave this here…

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Most of your posting here has pretty much ignored the role of the parent. [/quote]

Not really. Although I’m having this conversation in 3 other places so I may be thinking I’ve made clear what I haven’t.

That said, these posts come from a parent that understands how things like this play into your child’s development, good bad or indifferent.

So while you see posts that “ignore the role of the parent”, I see posts that obviously don’t, because a parent that “didn’t know their role” wouldn’t be making them in the first place.

Think about it. If I didn’t give a fuck about my role, would I give a fuck about how the outside world plays into my kids development?

[quote] I realize parents can’t control everything their kids do, but I also know kids tend to emulate their parents quite a bit. If a parent spends a lot of time watching TV, talking about celebrities, etc, they probably will too. Just because I won’t be able to choose my kid’s strengths, weaknesses, or interests, doesn’t mean I can’t steer them towards some good options.

My parents had A LOT to do with the social circles I was in from a young age. Parents are essentially able to control completely who their kids hang out with outside of school. Parents are the ones with the car keys.[/quote]

Every kid is different, and you’ll be just as surprised as every other parent was to see how silly your best laid plans are once you’re in the thick of it.

The kid itself will dictate a lot of your actions and reactions.

Case in point, I was the opposite. I sought out the kids my parents didn’t want me hanging out with.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Kids have been doing stupid shit forever. It has nothing to do with celebrities. At best, celebrity antics can inspire more specific behaviors, but even without our nutty celebrities, teenagers would be acting foolish.[/quote]

Correct.

But what kind of culture are we selling them?[/quote]

who is ‘we’?

you don’t have to buy everything that’s sold to you.[/quote]

Didn’t you a couple posts ago say this was a-okay because she was making money doing it?

So, yeah, we.

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Isn’t this how parents responded when Elvis started gyrating on stage?