Vitamin D

Saw Dr. Cannell had a response this morning to the D3 report issued by the FNB. Here is what he has to say:

Today, the FNB has failed millions…

3:00 PM PST November 30, 2010

After 13 year of silence, the quasi governmental agency, the Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) Food and Nutrition Board (FNB), today recommended that a three-pound premature infant take virtually the same amount of vitamin D as a 300 pound pregnant woman.

While that 400 IU/day dose is close to adequate for infants, 600 IU/day in pregnant women will do nothing to help the three childhood epidemics most closely associated with gestational and early childhood vitamin D deficiencies: asthma, auto-immune disorders, and, as recently reported in the largest pediatric journal in the world, autism. Professor Bruce Hollis of the Medical University of South Carolina has shown pregnant and lactating women need at least 5,000 IU/day, not 600.

The FNB also reported that vitamin D toxicity might occur at an intake of 10,000 IU/day (250 micrograms/day), although they could produce no reproducible evidence that 10,000 IU/day has ever caused toxicity in humans and only one poorly conducted study indicating 20,000 IU/day may cause mild elevations in serum calcium, but not clinical toxicity.

Viewed with different measure, this FNB report recommends that an infant should take 10 micrograms/day (400 IU) and a pregnant woman 15 micrograms/day (600 IU). As a single, 30 minute dose of summer sunshine gives adults more than 10,000 IU (250 micrograms), the FNB is apparently also warning that natural vitamin D input - as occurred from the sun before the widespread use of sunscreen - is dangerous. That is, the FNB is implying that God does not know what she is doing.

Disturbingly, this FNB committee focused on bone health, just like they did 14 years ago. They ignored the thousands of studies from the last ten years that showed higher doses of vitamin D helps: heart health, brain health, breast health, prostate health, pancreatic health, muscle health, nerve health, eye health, immune health, colon health, liver health, mood health, skin health, and especially fetal health.

Tens of millions of pregnant women and their breast-feeding infants are severely vitamin D deficient, resulting in a great increase in the medieval disease, rickets. The FNB report seems to reason that if so many pregnant women have low vitamin D blood levels then it must be OK because such low levels are so common. However, such circular logic simply represents the cave man existence (never exposed to the light of the sun) of most modern-day pregnant women.

Hence, if you want to optimize your vitamin D levels - not just optimize the bone effect - supplementing is crucial. But it is almost impossible to significantly raise your vitamin D levels when supplementing at only 600 IU/day (15 micrograms). Pregnant women taking 400 IU/day have the same blood levels as pregnant women not taking vitamin D; that is, 400 IU is a meaninglessly small dose for pregnant women.

Even taking 2,000 IU/day of vitamin D will only increase the vitamin D levels of most pregnant women by about 10 points, depending mainly on their weight. Professor Bruce Hollis has shown that 2,000 IU/day does not raise vitamin D to healthy or natural levels in either pregnant or lactating women. Therefore supplementing with higher amounts - like 5000 IU/day - is crucial for those women who want their fetus to enjoy optimal vitamin D levels, and the future health benefits that go along with it.

For example, taking only two of the hundreds of recently published studies: Professor Urashima and colleagues in Japan, gave 1,200 IU/day of vitamin D3 for six months to Japanese 10-year-olds in a randomized controlled trial. They found vitamin D dramatically reduced the incidence of influenza A as well as the episodes of asthma attacks in the treated kids while the placebo group was not so fortunate.

If Dr. Urashima had followed the newest FNB recommendations, it is unlikely that 400 IU/day treatment arm would have done much of anything and some of the treated young teenagers may have come to serious harm without the vitamin D. Likewise, a randomized controlled prevention trial of adults by Professor Joan Lappe and colleagues at Creighton University, which showed dramatic improvements in the health of internal organs, used more than twice the FNB’s new adult recommendations.

Finally, the FNB committee consulted with 14 vitamin D experts and â?? after reading these 14 different reports â?? the FNB decided to suppress their reports. Many of these 14 consultants are either famous vitamin D researchers, like Professor Robert Heaney at Creighton or, as in the case of Professor Walter Willett at Harvard, the single best-known nutritionist in the world. So, the FNB will not tell us what Professors Heaney and Willett thought of their new report? Why not?

Today, the Vitamin D Council directed our attorney to file a federal Freedom of Information (FOI) request to the IOM’s FNB for the release of these 14 reports.

Most of my friends, hundreds of patients, and thousands of readers of the Vitamin D Council newsletter (not to mention myself), have been taking 5,000 IU/day for up to eight years. Not only have they reported no significant side-effects, indeed, they have reported greatly improved health in multiple organ systems.

My advice, especially for pregnant women: continue taking 5,000 IU/day until your 25(OH)D is between 50-80 ng/mL (the vitamin D blood levels obtained by humans who live and work in the sun and the mid-point of the current reference ranges at all American laboratories). Gestational vitamin D deficiency is not only associated with rickets, but a significantly increased risk of neonatal pneumonia, a doubled risk for preeclampsia, a tripled risk for gestational diabetes, and a quadrupled risk for primary cesarean section.

Today, the FNB has failed millions of pregnant women whose as yet unborn babies will pay the price. Let us hope the FNB will comply with the spirit of “transparency” by quickly responding to our Freedom of Information requests.

John Cannell, MD
The Vitamin D Council
1241 Johnson Avenue, #134

Thought Dr. Davis also had a nice article response.

“What the Institute of Medicine SHOULD have said”

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/what-institute-of-medicine-should-have.html

Question for all: I’m going to get a blood test done before christmas to test my vitamin/mineral levels - Is there anything special I should do in the time leading up to it? i.e. fasted/non-fasted, lay off supplements for a few days, or anything like that?

FWIW, I’m mainly interested in my vit D, magnesium, zinc and calcium levels.

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Question for all: I’m going to get a blood test done before christmas to test my vitamin/mineral levels - Is there anything special I should do in the time leading up to it? i.e. fasted/non-fasted, lay off supplements for a few days, or anything like that?

FWIW, I’m mainly interested in my vit D, magnesium, zinc and calcium levels.[/quote]

Not sure about the minerals, but as far as vitamin D I would think you would want to maintain any supplements which might increase D. As it is constantly replenished from food and sun exposure there is no real ‘baseline’ level within your body.

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Question for all: I’m going to get a blood test done before christmas to test my vitamin/mineral levels - Is there anything special I should do in the time leading up to it? i.e. fasted/non-fasted, lay off supplements for a few days, or anything like that?

FWIW, I’m mainly interested in my vit D, magnesium, zinc and calcium levels.[/quote]

How much are you expecting to pay for the test?

Does anyone have any info/source on what is the ideal amount of magnesium, zinc, and calcium that a healthy male should have?

Thanks.

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Question for all: I’m going to get a blood test done before christmas to test my vitamin/mineral levels - Is there anything special I should do in the time leading up to it? i.e. fasted/non-fasted, lay off supplements for a few days, or anything like that?

FWIW, I’m mainly interested in my vit D, magnesium, zinc and calcium levels.[/quote]

How much are you expecting to pay for the test?

Does anyone have any info/source on what is the ideal amount of magnesium, zinc, and calcium that a healthy male should have?

Thanks.[/quote]

I’m expecting to pay very little as I believe it’ll be covered by my insurance.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Lastly, I exceedingly doubt any claim that influenza requires being low in Vitamin D. That good Vitamin D levels are largely protective, I don’t doubt, but that the flu requires levels of Vitamin D in the range typical of unsupplemented or poorly supplemented Americans in winter would seem a highly suspicious claim.

… …

Additionally, I am pretty sure that, for example in Asia in subtropical latitudes, the flu exists among individuals getting hours of sun from working outdoors, and thus in individuals not deficient in Vitamin D.[/quote]

Hi Bill,

I was just reading your old post.
Just wanted to 2nd your opinion.
I’m from Indonesia (Bali is in Indonesia, so Indonesia is in tropical area = plenty of sunlight).
Flu or influenza (runny nose, coughing, sore throat, respiratory tract infection etc) is common disease here, happens in all season whether dry season or rainy season, even for people who work under direct sunlight.
Perhaps vitamin D (could) protects one from it, but there are many factors influencing a person immune system.
Please pardon my English.

[quote]sawahladang wrote:

I’m from Indonesia (Bali is in Indonesia, so Indonesia is in tropical area = plenty of sunlight).
Flu or influenza (runny nose, coughing, sore throat, respiratory tract infection etc) is common disease here, happens in all season whether dry season or rainy season, even for people who work under direct sunlight.
Perhaps vitamin D (could) protects one from it, but there are many factors influencing a person immune system.
Please pardon my English.[/quote]
According to my doctor, the symptoms you described are technically NOT influenza. These are just the common cold or, as you stated, a respiratory track infection. I didn’t know the difference myself until my doctor cleared it up for me; apparently the defining characteristic of the flu is overall body and muscle aches accompanying those other symptoms.

Sorry, just nitpicking.

Your English is pretty good BTW.

Thank you, Sawahladang!

It’s true that many times colds, which are different from the flu, are mistaken for influenza, but as you say it’s also true that influenza definitely does occur in parts of the world such as yours and does occur among individuals getting plenty of sun.

With respect to Vitamin D proponents arguing that high Vitamin D levels supposedly entirely prevent the flu, it’s a shame when people advancing a generally-true argument that is of considerable importance go and make over-the-top claims such as that one. In the minds of many, as soon as a claim like that is made, the entire argument gets thrown out.

It becomes, “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”

Advocates of something that is true should not go around insisting that a given glove fits when it does not.

Good Vitamin D levels do NOT make it impossible to get the flu.

Have had a lot of my clients lately using Vitamin D. One lady just reported from her doctor “your blood levels are reaching toxic levels”… She doesn’t have the results with her, but I’m curious to see what 'toxic" levels are.
I had her take 2,000-4,000 IU/day for the past 10 weeks. She was told to lay off it for 3 weeks and get blood work redone. Is that enough time for blood levels to drop?

I hope for her sake that the doctor is the typical kind to say just because she’s at the upper good range that is bad.

Will report back when I know more. Most others that are testing all come back quite low or below “ok”.

Any recommended brands of Vit. D? All the ones I have seen at my local shops have soybean oil.

The amount of soybean oil is very much below significance. There’s no need to worry about it.

[quote]sawahladang wrote:
interesting news about calcium and vitamin d by new york times …

All they were saying is that supplementation is not needed to maintain a blood level of 20-30 ng/ml…from what I have read, 30-60 ng/ml is considered ‘optimal levels’. I’m not really a conspiracy guy, but I do have to wonder about Big Pharma’s influence in setting RDA’s, media coverage, etc. on Vitamin D.

As for me, I notice a HUGE difference when I supplement from my mood alone. I am prone to a bit of seasonal-affective disorder and supplementation makes a big difference.

I do believe that “mega-dosing” is more effective than regular, smaller doses because it is a fat soluble vitamin…I do 10,000 IUs every three days or so and by the third day day I feel a little “off”, gotta get my happy drops haha.

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Any recommended brands of Vit. D? All the ones I have seen at my local shops have soybean oil.[/quote]

I take LifeExtension brand. They are a little pricey but they have a great product. Until Biotest carries their own brand I’ll stick with LE - What do others take?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Any recommended brands of Vit. D? All the ones I have seen at my local shops have soybean oil.[/quote]

I take LifeExtension brand. They are a little pricey but they have a great product. Until Biotest carries their own brand I’ll stick with LE - What do others take?[/quote]

Thanks, they do not seem pricey to me 0.14 a pill.

Well, her levels were surprisingly high after only 10 weeks of taking 4,000 IU/day.

95.5 ng/ml

after 3 weeks though of no supplementation it’s back down to 47, still good, but boy what a plummet.

Has anyone ordered from www.vitd3.com/? Any thoughts on this site or product?

just get Carlson D3. done and done.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, her levels were surprisingly high after only 10 weeks of taking 4,000 IU/day.

95.5 ng/ml

after 3 weeks though of no supplementation it’s back down to 47, still good, but boy what a plummet.[/quote]

Holy sheet she must be fairly tiny along with being hypersensitive. That’s a supringsly rapid response in a short amount of time.

Anyone getting their vitamin D from cod liver oil? I use Green Pastures fermented cod liver oil - couldn’t stomach the liquid so I switched over to pills.