Pleace do not spend any money on this piece of junk until they have beta tested two more years on their paying customers.
MS stinks.
I hate them.
Amen to that.
what’s so bad aboutit? i just got a vista computer and it works great for me!
Step into the light my son…
I have it on my laptop and it works just fine. I bought the bottom of the barrel so it can be a little sluggish at times, but other than that it seems to work fine. What seems to be the problem you are having?
Not to bag on you, but I find that people who think “Microsoft Sucks!” or “Windows Sucks” just don’t know how to use it. There were legit problems in older versions of Windows, like the Blue Screen of Death!, but you just don’t see those any more for the most part. I cant remember the last time I got one of those on my computer honestly.
Of course there are going to be problems with any software, and they release patches and updates to fix these, they cant catch EVERYTHING in a beta test.
Now that Apple has gained main stream popularity, people are finding that it’s not as “hack proof” or “virus free” as they thought it was. It’s becoming the thing to hack and slash Apple’s OS’s, that’s why Leopard was hacked the first day it was released.
Also, Microsoft is set to release Vista SP1 which will fix and smooth out the OS a lot. XP was the same way when it was released, i’ve used it since it was a Beta and it was not always as smooth or reliable as it is now. Vista will soon take over where XP is, reliable and quick.
I still prefer XP over Vista, but eventually i’ll switch. I don’t suggest switching pre-SP1, though.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Not to bag on you, but I find that people who think “Microsoft Sucks!” or “Windows Sucks” just don’t know how to use it. [/quote]
You may be onto something here. The interface is indeed, far from intuitive. But that’s not my only concern.
First, there’s no multilingual support.
Then, there’s the built-in DRM crap.
Then, the WGA locking out legit’ customers… http://www.technewsworld.com/story/59041.html
The lack of complete drivers (for example, my Ubuntu (7.10) install works flawlessly and out-of-the-box with everything I throw at it).
The OS’ inability to allocate more than 2GB per process.
The lack of a powerful shell prompt and the very limited customizability of the OS.
The impossibility to run it on old hardware (bad for the planet).
The slooow patch release cycle.
The closed source code (that is, unless you’re in a government entity).
The exorbitant price tag of the Pro version.
And don’t even get me started on the security bit, and the monopolistic actions of Microsoft.
I agree that some of those issues might only matter to power-users, but even the casual web-email-editor crowd could benefit from broadening their choice base. I’m willing to bet that the computer you got didn’t come with other alternatives, and you basically picked it up based on price and looks.
First of all, my new computer is the silicon equivalent of Thor´s hammer.
So I decided to go with the 64 bit Vista ultimate because no matter how many resources it needs it won`t wrestle my hardware down.
I also get that the combination of the Vista firewall and the Kaspersky firewall and whatnot makes my computer the most paranoid piece of hardware not being used by the Pentagon.
God knows what will happen when I install a router.
Anyway, most problems probably could be dealt with, over the course of the next decade or so, IF this thing would actually upgrade, which it won`t.
It does not know why not and the error code does not exist.
There are other problems, but knowing that there might be a patch out there my computer won`t load makes me work on that first…
[quote]lixy wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Not to bag on you, but I find that people who think “Microsoft Sucks!” or “Windows Sucks” just don’t know how to use it.
You may be onto something here. The interface is indeed, far from intuitive. But that’s not my only concern.
First, there’s no multilingual support.
Then, there’s the built-in DRM crap.
Then, the WGA locking out legit’ customers… http://www.technewsworld.com/story/59041.html
The lack of complete drivers (for example, my Ubuntu (7.10) install works flawlessly and out-of-the-box with everything I throw at it).
The OS’ inability to allocate more than 2GB per process.
The lack of a powerful shell prompt and the very limited customizability of the OS.
The impossibility to run it on old hardware (bad for the planet).
The slooow patch release cycle.
The closed source code (that is, unless you’re in a government entity).
The exorbitant price tag of the Pro version.
And don’t even get me started on the security bit, and the monopolistic actions of Microsoft.
I agree that some of those issues might only matter to power-users, but even the casual web-email-editor crowd could benefit from broadening their choice base. I’m willing to bet that the computer you got didn’t come with other alternatives, and you basically picked it up based on price and looks.[/quote]
That’s kind of funny, 'cause when I installed Ubuntu it wouldn’t play most of the games I tried to play on it without hours of tweaking this and tweaking that… And even then some games just flat out wouldn’t play.
Also, Torvalde isn’t too far away from trying to monopolize things himself, he just tends to get away with it because people somehow see him as the second coming (where Microsoft is the anti-christ).
I always had Windows and never had any problems.
Miscrosoft kicks so much ass 
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
That’s kind of funny, 'cause when I installed Ubuntu it wouldn’t play most of the games I tried to play on it without hours of tweaking this and tweaking that… And even then some games just flat out wouldn’t play. [/quote]
Games? I thought we were all adults here. Oh well…
Seriously though, smack down the game manufacturers for being lazy asses and not having Linux ports.
The guy is a nifty hacker (kinda horrible on the human side though), but other than that, he’s pretty much irrelevant. Additions to the kernel are a democratic process, and if you don’t like them, you can bake your own. I really don’t see why Torvalds would matter at all in the grand (community) scheme of things.
[quote]lixy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
That’s kind of funny, 'cause when I installed Ubuntu it wouldn’t play most of the games I tried to play on it without hours of tweaking this and tweaking that… And even then some games just flat out wouldn’t play.
Games? I thought we were all adults here. Oh well…
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This is why we have WINE, and the wonders of Duel Booting. Seriously, Ubuntu for LIFE!
[quote]lixy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
That’s kind of funny, 'cause when I installed Ubuntu it wouldn’t play most of the games I tried to play on it without hours of tweaking this and tweaking that… And even then some games just flat out wouldn’t play.
Games? I thought we were all adults here. Oh well…
Seriously though, smack down the game manufacturers for being lazy asses and not having Linux ports.
Also, Torvalde isn’t too far away from trying to monopolize things himself, he just tends to get away with it because people somehow see him as the second coming (where Microsoft is the anti-christ).
The guy is a nifty hacker (kinda horrible on the human side though), but other than that, he’s pretty much irrelevant. Additions to the kernel are a democratic process, and if you don’t like them, you can bake your own. I really don’t see why Torvalds would matter at all in the grand (community) scheme of things.[/quote]
Other than the fact that so many Linux fanatics drool over this guy like he’s amazing, he is irrelevant. However, he is the one who drives the Linux community, so you can’t brush him off that easily.
Sure, you can “bake” your own version of Linux (or tinker with it enough to call it your own), but to say it works with everything out of the box is just an outlandish claim.
And did you seriously think this forum, of all forums, was full of adults? … Really? I didn’t know adults asked how their build was compared to their sneaker.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
This is why we have WINE, and the wonders of Duel Booting. Seriously, Ubuntu for LIFE![/quote]
Sure, dual-boot to make up for the inadequacies of Linux, but don’t do that for Windows. It’s easier to just call it a piece of crap and say, “Linux r0x0rz!”
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
lixy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Sure, you can “bake” your own version of Linux (or tinker with it enough to call it your own), but to say it works with everything out of the box is just an outlandish claim.
[/quote]
He said Ubuntu had proper driver support. Games aren’t hardware.
[quote]
Sure, dual-boot to make up for the inadequacies of Linux, but don’t do that for Windows. It’s easier to just call it a piece of crap and say, “Linux r0x0rz!”[/quote]
We dual-boot to be able to work within the Windows near-monopoly, which is in no way an inadequacy of Linux. Games that are written for Windows work on Windows and nothing else. Even games that have Linux versions won’t run in Ubuntu if you try to install your Windows version.
APPLE RULES!!!
Come to the light!
I’m no where near an apple fan.
But vista sucks big time.
1st off, I have 1GB of RAM and running a few basic programs slows the shit out of my computer.
My Iphone is not that compatible with it. Pictures get distorted, and quicktime seizes up the computer. It’s not apple’s fault, it wored perfect on XP.
vista sucks, that’s all there is to it.
and if i have to stare at the blue circle waiting for programs to load any longer i will kill someone
I think some people just like to hate on Microsoft. My laptop came with Vista and I like it. Aero is a nice touch and even with my integrated graphics card it runs without a hitch. My boot time for Vista is about the same as XP (both under 1 minute, so not really a big deal), but Vista does use more RAM, about 500MB on the desktop. Even if you only had 1GB of RAM that leaves a lot of room to run programs.
I’ve been on both sides and used quite a few operating systems and this blind Linux love, is nearly laughable. I love how some Linux supporters will downplay and sweep any HUGE inadequacies and issues with their trumped up distro(s) under the rug while bitching about issues that to 99% of users don’t matter to them.
When people say Linux is better than XP, are they even comparing them within the same context? Just because you read a manual and can command prompt your binary installs doesn’t mean that,
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Anyone cares.
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That you are anymore productive, if anything most people don’t want to spend countless hours tweaking their system or installing Linux and then trying to get windows based software to run IE WINE. If you enjoy programming, power using, and control of your system however irrelevant it may be to common use, that is great, and fantastic, but to say that Linux is a better Desktop environment for the public…Give me a break, it is anything but.
A few of the more popular claims are.
“I can install my Linux Distro on my 1995 486, try that Vista!”
Who gives a shit? There is something called progression, this isn’t '95 and I am not using the same hardware. There have been benchmark tests that have shown most common flavors of Linux fair no better on older hardware, than the equivalent windows version of that time (of course excluding minimalist distros like slackware).
If I want to get real world work done I am not editing my kernels modules or searching out and installing property codecs just so I can play a mp3 or an MPEG movie.
“You may be onto something here. The interface is indeed, far from intuitive. But that’s not my only concern.”
Would command line or graphical KDE/Gnome be anymore intuitive?
I don’t have a grudge for Linux I have used it, but I have a problem with the gospel and the misinformation, it has it’s place and is indeed important, but touting it as a desktop solution for normal people…no.
I think if more average people where to jump on OS X (Leopard being the current release) they would be surprised.
XP works well for me: games, internet, new hardware, media center, etc. It’s pretty quick with the new and old hardware. I can’t complain.
When I had the chance to use linux at school it just seemed like it was made for the purpose of making the lives of programmers easier. Other than that it was nothing special. Forgot to mention it’s steep learning curve.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
like the Blue Screen of Death!, but you just don’t see those any more for the most part. I cant remember the last time I got one of those on my computer honestly.
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Wish I had that problem, I get one of those motherfucking blue screens at least once a day. Running XP on toshiba laptop that is one year old.