Video Games Make You Less Manly?

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I thought this article was interesting about the link between video games and manliness. William Bennett thinks video games are making men basically pussies. What do you think?
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First person shooters have removed the hesitancy of American males to automatically shoot at a human shape.

When I got into the military (which was some time ago, pre-DOOM, if that helps you), a big part of military training was overcoming a natural tendacy to shoot automatically when you see a target. (They did a big study on this in WWII — 20% of the people shot 80% of the bullets or something. Lots of people hesitate that critical 1/10 second. They worked on this with the pop-up targets and things.)

Anyway, while I was “in” there was a very quick realization that this generation of soldiers do not have that hestitation — it was crushed by games like DOOM and other 1st person shooters.

Flip side, it makes them fat couch potatoes. But deadly fat couch potatoes.[/quote]

Nope video games make you a homosexual. That’s what this thread taught me. Go chop wood to regain you manliness or better yet Go bow hunting

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I thought this article was interesting about the link between video games and manliness. William Bennett thinks video games are making men basically pussies. What do you think?
[/quote]

First person shooters have removed the hesitancy of American males to automatically shoot at a human shape.

When I got into the military (which was some time ago, pre-DOOM, if that helps you), a big part of military training was overcoming a natural tendacy to shoot automatically when you see a target. (They did a big study on this in WWII — 20% of the people shot 80% of the bullets or something. Lots of people hesitate that critical 1/10 second. They worked on this with the pop-up targets and things.)

Anyway, while I was “in” there was a very quick realization that this generation of soldiers do not have that hestitation — it was crushed by games like DOOM and other 1st person shooters.

Flip side, it makes them fat couch potatoes. But deadly fat couch potatoes.[/quote]

Nope video games make you a homosexual. That’s what this thread taught me. Go chop wood to regain you manliness or better yet Go bow hunting[/quote]

I think this sums up the logic.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I thought this article was interesting about the link between video games and manliness. William Bennett thinks video games are making men basically pussies. What do you think?
[/quote]

First person shooters have removed the hesitancy of American males to automatically shoot at a human shape.

When I got into the military (which was some time ago, pre-DOOM, if that helps you), a big part of military training was overcoming a natural tendacy to shoot automatically when you see a target. (They did a big study on this in WWII — 20% of the people shot 80% of the bullets or something. Lots of people hesitate that critical 1/10 second. They worked on this with the pop-up targets and things.)

Anyway, while I was “in” there was a very quick realization that this generation of soldiers do not have that hestitation — it was crushed by games like DOOM and other 1st person shooters.

Flip side, it makes them fat couch potatoes. But deadly fat couch potatoes.[/quote]

Nope video games make you a homosexual. That’s what this thread taught me. Go chop wood to regain you manliness or better yet Go bow hunting[/quote]

I think this sums up the logic.[/quote]

Its flawless logic.

Anywho. Its been a few days.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

  1. History does not necessarily make you wiser. You believe that which is fine, but that’s your opinion.

  2. You can major in a field related to gaming such as graphic design. There are also technical schools that offer video game design programs.

  3. Video games exercise your brain. Ask any gamer that has had to solve a particularly difficult puzzle or challenge. The brain might be used differently while gaming, but you are still forced to use it. Things like focus, precision, and snap decision making are part of gaming. Is that not a function of the brain?

  4. Reading requires no more work or imagination then gaming in my opinion. [/quote]

  5. history does make you wiser

  6. falsehood

  7. falsehood, it puts your brain in bypass mode

  8. falsehood - you really don’t believe that do you? if this was the case, teh ancient greeks would have invented video games instead of language eons ago~

srsly~

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

  1. History does not necessarily make you wiser. You believe that which is fine, but that’s your opinion.

  2. You can major in a field related to gaming such as graphic design. There are also technical schools that offer video game design programs.

  3. Video games exercise your brain. Ask any gamer that has had to solve a particularly difficult puzzle or challenge. The brain might be used differently while gaming, but you are still forced to use it. Things like focus, precision, and snap decision making are part of gaming. Is that not a function of the brain?

  4. Reading requires no more work or imagination then gaming in my opinion. [/quote]

  5. history does make you wiser

  6. falsehood

  7. falsehood, it puts your brain in bypass mode

  8. falsehood - you really don’t believe that do you? if this was the case, teh ancient greeks would have invented video games instead of language eons ago~

srsly~
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  1. Who says history makes you wiser? I’ll gladly stand corrected if you can prove this. Maybe being able to take histories lessons and apply them to life makes you wiser, but simply reading history makes you no wiser than simply playing video games.

  2. Video game design majors, simple Google search:
    http://www.video-game-degrees.com/ld/make-epic-games?src=goo_vgd_nwld&KTID=5e6fc237-5561-03a8-c213-00002164b7ae

  3. Again I’ll stand corrected if you can prove your brain goes into “bypass mode” when you play a video game. I don’t believe that is the case. I have actually read studies that show video games actually increase vision and perception in individuals tested. How is that possible if the brain has partly shut down.

How often have you been reading and realized pages later you were day dreaming and have no idea what you read? Isn’t that bypass mode?

  1. It’s just progress. Without language we wouldn’t have written word and without written word we wouldn’t have gaming. The Greeks did invent the Olympics…you mean to tell me they wouldn’t have put it on the PS3 if they could have?
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

  1. Who says history makes you wiser? I’ll gladly stand corrected if you can prove this. Maybe being able to take histories lessons and apply them to life makes you wiser, but simply reading history makes you no wiser than simply playing video games.

  2. Video game design majors, simple Google search:
    http://www.video-game-degrees.com/ld/make-epic-games?src=goo_vgd_nwld&KTID=5e6fc237-5561-03a8-c213-00002164b7ae

  3. Again I’ll stand corrected if you can prove your brain goes into “bypass mode” when you play a video game. I don’t believe that is the case. I have actually read studies that show video games actually increase vision and perception in individuals tested. How is that possible if the brain has partly shut down.

How often have you been reading and realized pages later you were day dreaming and have no idea what you read? Isn’t that bypass mode?

  1. It’s just progress. Without language we wouldn’t have written word and without written word we wouldn’t have gaming. The Greeks did invent the Olympics…you mean to tell me they wouldn’t have put it on the PS3 if they could have?

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  1. history has shown that historians are wiser. its fact.
  2. Vid game design is not a course that is in any accredited school
  3. the studies that you read were flawed and were not reviewed by the government, and are not applicable - yes I have daydreamed during reading, but I’ve also slept during reading, and you can’t say that anyone can sleep while playing video games.
  4. Greeks didn’t invent the Olympics, the gods did. the greeks did invent language, and I stand by the fact that if they had thought that gaming was more than just a waste of time, it would have been on their agenda. was it on their agenda? no.
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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

  1. Who says history makes you wiser? I’ll gladly stand corrected if you can prove this. Maybe being able to take histories lessons and apply them to life makes you wiser, but simply reading history makes you no wiser than simply playing video games.

  2. Video game design majors, simple Google search:
    http://www.video-game-degrees.com/ld/make-epic-games?src=goo_vgd_nwld&KTID=5e6fc237-5561-03a8-c213-00002164b7ae

  3. Again I’ll stand corrected if you can prove your brain goes into “bypass mode” when you play a video game. I don’t believe that is the case. I have actually read studies that show video games actually increase vision and perception in individuals tested. How is that possible if the brain has partly shut down.

How often have you been reading and realized pages later you were day dreaming and have no idea what you read? Isn’t that bypass mode?

  1. It’s just progress. Without language we wouldn’t have written word and without written word we wouldn’t have gaming. The Greeks did invent the Olympics…you mean to tell me they wouldn’t have put it on the PS3 if they could have?

[/quote]

  1. history has shown that historians are wiser. its fact.
  2. Vid game design is not a course that is in any accredited school
  3. the studies that you read were flawed and were not reviewed by the government, and are not applicable - yes I have daydreamed during reading, but I’ve also slept during reading, and you can’t say that anyone can sleep while playing video games.
  4. Greeks didn’t invent the Olympics, the gods did. the greeks did invent language, and I stand by the fact that if they had thought that gaming was more than just a waste of time, it would have been on their agenda. was it on their agenda? no.
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Well in that case I STAND CORRECTED

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Well in that case I STAND CORRECTED[/quote]

look - we’ve had this conversation, Marine.

if you aren’t going to get all hot-headed and indignant, then this thread is going to go to shit.

real soon, like~

the interwebz are no place for a free flowing exchange of thoughts and ideas.

it was invented to shame, embarrass and misinform.

get this shit straight~

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Well in that case I STAND CORRECTED[/quote]

look - we’ve had this conversation, Marine.

if you aren’t going to get all hot-headed and indignant, then this thread is going to go to shit.

real soon, like~

the interwebz are no place for a free flowing exchange of thoughts and ideas.

it was invented to shame, embarrass and misinform.

get this shit straight~[/quote]

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There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Well in that case I STAND CORRECTED[/quote]

look - we’ve had this conversation, Marine.

if you aren’t going to get all hot-headed and indignant, then this thread is going to go to shit.

real soon, like~

the interwebz are no place for a free flowing exchange of thoughts and ideas.

it was invented to shame, embarrass and misinform.

get this shit straight~[/quote]
I knew it!

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[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]

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Just kidding!

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[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]
And what about real world stimuli?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Just kidding!

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Ha! Is that like fat people these days picking on muscles and firm, trim women?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]
And what about real world stimuli?[/quote]

Strawman argument is paper thin. I am directly responding to the topic of reading.

Obviously going out and taking a walk around the block will be far more mentally stimulating than playing a video game. In the instance that I’m not outside 24-hours a day, playing laser tag, riding my bike and frolicking in the dandelions like you guys all do all day (wait, then how are you guys posting on T-Nation so much?) there are just as many benefits playing video games as there are reading.

Again, there’s no rebuttal to this argument that’s viable.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]
And what about real world stimuli?[/quote]

Strawman argument is paper thin. I am directly responding to the topic of reading.

Obviously going out and taking a walk around the block will be far more mentally stimulating than playing a video game. In the instance that I’m not outside 24-hours a day, playing laser tag, riding my bike and frolicking in the dandelions like you guys all do all day (wait, then how are you guys posting on T-Nation so much?) there are just as many benefits playing video games as there are reading.

Again, there’s no rebuttal to this argument that’s viable.[/quote]I read this as real being better than games. Thanks.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]
And what about real world stimuli?[/quote]

Strawman argument is paper thin. I am directly responding to the topic of reading.

Obviously going out and taking a walk around the block will be far more mentally stimulating than playing a video game. In the instance that I’m not outside 24-hours a day, playing laser tag, riding my bike and frolicking in the dandelions like you guys all do all day (wait, then how are you guys posting on T-Nation so much?) there are just as many benefits playing video games as there are reading.

Again, there’s no rebuttal to this argument that’s viable.[/quote]I read this as real being better than games. Thanks.
[/quote]

And I agree. I’ve never argued this - check my posts here.

Now let me ask you guys this, with all of your conventional wisdom. Tonight at 7 PM it will be dark outside. I have a few options, I can watch TV and make my brain essentially inactive as bullshit gets filtered in. I can read, which allows for someone else to paint a picture for me. Or I can play videogames, which allows me to react to a wide array of pre-set variables.

So please, provide me counsel o wise ones.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
There have been STUDIES in regards to how much more brain activity OUTPUT happens when playing videogames vs reading. Seriously. Constantly reacting to stimuli, it’s that simple.

Sorry Edgy, you’re acting like we’re just making this shit up. I’ve been reading these same old tired arguments since before the 2000’s. You are wrong. Seriously, you’re just WRONG.

This is like us telling someone in the BB section that eating 3,000 calories will be more beneficial for building muscle than eating 2,000 calories, and the person who is arguing has their fingers in their ear, stomping and saying “NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG YOU’RE WRONG!” while just shouting as loud as you can, as if that’s some kind of argument.[/quote]
And what about real world stimuli?[/quote]

Strawman argument is paper thin. I am directly responding to the topic of reading.

Obviously going out and taking a walk around the block will be far more mentally stimulating than playing a video game. In the instance that I’m not outside 24-hours a day, playing laser tag, riding my bike and frolicking in the dandelions like you guys all do all day (wait, then how are you guys posting on T-Nation so much?) there are just as many benefits playing video games as there are reading.

Again, there’s no rebuttal to this argument that’s viable.[/quote]I read this as real being better than games. Thanks.
[/quote]

And I agree. I’ve never argued this - check my posts here.

Now let me ask you guys this, with all of your conventional wisdom. Tonight at 7 PM it will be dark outside. I have a few options, I can watch TV and make my brain essentially inactive as bullshit gets filtered in. I can read, which allows for someone else to paint a picture for me. Or I can play videogames, which allows me to react to a wide array of pre-set variables.

So please, provide me counsel o wise ones.[/quote]

you dont go outside at night?