Vick Screws Up

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Sept. 2, 2003: Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.

Feb. 17, 2004: Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors – three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.

May 14, 2004: Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found not guilty of having sex with the 15-year-old.

July 3, 2004: Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond, Va. at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle smelled of marijuana.

July 6, 2004: Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.

Aug. 3, 2004: Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent, Va. Is fined $300, has driver’s license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver’s license for six months.

Sept. 13, 2004: In plea deal, pleads no contest to one misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Receives 30-day suspended jail sentence, is fined $100, ordered to perform 24 hours of community service and stay away from the teenage girls.

Jan. 17, 2005: Cleared to rejoin football team and re-enroll at Virginia Tech.
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ct. 1, 2005: Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.

Dec. 17, 2005: Pulled over by police in Hampton, Va. for driving 38 mph in a 25 mph zone and driving with a suspended license.

Jan. 2, 2006: Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.

Jan 6, 2006: Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.

Source: The Associated Press

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

I wouldn’t say Vick knows anything about success. Any success he has in life is a result of his talent, not anything else.[/quote]

Well I would agree that he is probably not the smartest cookie in the jar, but he apparently IS very talented and he has a healthy streak of arrogance.

That is more than most people have when they are around 20.

Imagine that guy when he also discovers the art of making allies and hard work.

As for the list of his “crimes” above…

Puulllease…

What does that make him, an OG?

Hardly.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Sept. 2, 2003: Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.

Feb. 17, 2004: Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors – three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.

May 14, 2004: Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found not guilty of having sex with the 15-year-old.

July 3, 2004: Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond, Va. at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle smelled of marijuana.

July 6, 2004: Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.

Aug. 3, 2004: Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent, Va. Is fined $300, has driver’s license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver’s license for six months.

Sept. 13, 2004: In plea deal, pleads no contest to one misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Receives 30-day suspended jail sentence, is fined $100, ordered to perform 24 hours of community service and stay away from the teenage girls.

Jan. 17, 2005: Cleared to rejoin football team and re-enroll at Virginia Tech.
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ct. 1, 2005: Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.

Dec. 17, 2005: Pulled over by police in Hampton, Va. for driving 38 mph in a 25 mph zone and driving with a suspended license.

Jan. 2, 2006: Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.

Jan 6, 2006: Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.

Source: The Associated Press[/quote]

I have known guys involved with more than that and some of them call themselves “lawyers” or various other professionals. I am not making light of this, but the main problem this kid seems guilty of…is being such an easy target. It shows he lacks maturity.

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[quote]orion wrote:
malonetd wrote:

I wouldn’t say Vick knows anything about success. Any success he has in life is a result of his talent, not anything else.

Well I would agree that he is probably not the smartest cookie in the jar, but he apparently IS very talented and he has a healthy streak of arrogance.

That is more than most people have when they are around 20.

Imagine that guy when he also discovers the art of making allies and hard work.

As for the list of his “crimes” above…

Puulllease…

What does that make him, an OG?

Hardly. [/quote]

I see more people who do things like this just making stupid decisions and wasting their lives than I do make it to the top. Yes, you have to bend the rules to make it to the top, but the discipline aspect is far more important, and this certainly doesn’t demonstrate that.

I don’t see how you can laud a guy for just being stupid. Granted none of these are big things, so I’m not saying he’s screwing his life up, but I don’t see how they point to anything positive.

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He is being thrown out of school for his malicious attempt to hurt another player. He should of been thrown out of the game , unfortunately, officials did not see his action to the opposing player. Obviously, he is another young talented athlete that the parents screwed up when raising. If they would have obviously raised him with redeeming values, he would try to conduct himself in a manner that would not be an embarassment to himself, his family or those around him. I guess that says a great deal about his home environment. There is a saying when you lie with dogs you get fleas or that the apple does not fall far from the tree.

I hope he tries to do that to an NFL defensive lineman. He would be a marked man. I could not think of a more just reward than getting his clock cleaned but one of them.

The sad thing is he will probably be rewarded with an NFL contract. There are many in that league who seem to think that they are above the law. The stories go on for ever about drug abuse and trafficing, murder, whatever and they seem to always walk away unscathed. The league should make all these players conduct themselves at some level of responsibility if they want to play in the NFL. They don’t. They NFL is at fault as much as the players who are committing the errors in judgement or crimes. I do not want to hear about being in the publics eye B.S. either. You give up your anonymous being when you perform in the public eye. Your reward for fame and fortune. The NBA made a move in the right direction when they instated a dress code. I also don’t want to hear about how that infringes upon your rights. I cannot show up at the office in jeans and a tshirt or my boss will warn me the first time, then get fired for non apprpriate dress at the office if I do it again. I do not hear all the office workers, sales people and professionals crying how it is unfair that they make me dress up. These athletes want their cake and eat to. They need to grow up, maybe they need to get fired and find out what a real job, the kind most of the normal every day people have, is like. They will quickly find out how good they have it!

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Seems to me the problem is Vick knows the standards are there, regardless of whether he likes them or not. Coaches and universities have varying approaches to this - but breaking the law, even if it isn’t a triple murder, is a routine strike in the standards.

As is, these aren’t mistakes. They show a cascading string of bad judgment and immaturity, and Vick has been given second, third chances. I do think there is a great deal of heightened scrutiny for athletes, but with those downsides come a great many privileges and Vick could have walked away at any time if he didn’t like the tradeoff.

He also needs to wake up and realize that the Real World forgives even less than College - a rap sheet like that, though not a list of hardcore felonies, ain’t exactly the kind of demonstrations of character employers are looking for.

It’s a shame - he has talent and an older brother who can help make him a better athlete at the next level, should he get his shot. Nothing disappoints me more than seeing people unappreciative of the gifts they have.

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I don’t personally know anybody who’s ever been convicted of any kind of drug crime, who’s ever been convicted of contributing to the delenquency of minors, or been accused of statutory rape. I don’t hang out with saints by any means, but I don’t hang with scuz either.

Did anyone come to Ryan Leaf’s defense back in the day on T-mag?

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I am not a fan of either Vick. Talk about an arrogant group.

I watched an espn interview last night… it hinted that Vick was given extra leeway because of his brothers large donations to the school.

Look I don’t care how you feel about them. You are a NCAA football quarter back on a top-10 team in the country. One of the things that you do when you play sports is play like a respectable athlete. How long ago did people blast Bill Romanowski on this board because he was a nasty SOB on the field? Why is it any different here? The dude obviously has no class with respect to other athletes. The team told him… “you can play but we will make you pay if you make us look bad again”. How arrogant do you have to be to not expect someone to come through with their threats? He played his pair of 10’s and they showed their pair of aces.

As far as “making it” in the big leagues. That is a big fricking joke and just shows how ignorant he is. His brother who has much better athletic abilities hasn’t “made” it. He’s still a big talent chump on a team that should have been 11-5. Both Vicks are hyped up in all respects. Neither will ever be looked upon as a star quarter back. The elder will look back upon his career as a good qb. Hell it has taken him 4 years and 3 major injuries to realize that he needs to be more of a pocket passer. NFL teams aren’t going to joke around. You have a young Vick, obviously arrogant that is going to come in and lead a nfl team with people that probably won’t wipe their ass with his jersey? yeah right. Vick or not, he won’t go far.

I have to respect the VT program though. Took some balls to make that call and show that they won’t have some swaggering jerk push them around.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have known guys involved with more than that and some of them call themselves “lawyers” or various other professionals. I am not making light of this, but the main problem this kid seems guilty of…is being such an easy target. It shows he lacks maturity. [/quote]

Aside from Marcus’s legal issues (although some of the shit he did was pretty stupid), I can personally say the guy is an asshole. I went to school with Michael Vick (really nice guy), and met Marcus his freshman year. Marcus has always been a complete pissant. Which has no bearing over his legal issues or getting kicked off of the team.

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I think the behaviour of professional athletes parallels that of “trust fund babies”.

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Marcus and his big brother Ron Mexico are disappointing.

I hate to see people squander talent.

I hope Marcus pulls his head out of his ass.

I hope Ron gets his raging herpes under control.

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[quote]der Koning wrote:
I think the behaviour of professional athletes parallels that of “trust fund babies”.[/quote]

I feel essentially the same way, which is why it actually surprises me that anyone is surprised an athlete acts this way. Hell, society allows it by making them super rich in the first place. It is like people say, “we want to wear clothes with your picture on it, make you the epitome of pop culture, buy Bubblegum with your name on it, wear your own brand of sneakers, buy your posters, applaud just because we see you…but how DARE YOU act like you are all that!!!”. I am more surprised by those who appear, in public, to have their heads screwed on right. I think those who actually stay grounded have the most amazing personalities on the planet and should be role models…instead of all athletes expected to be role models simply because they are pro athletes.

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He’s also from Hampton Roads - which says a lot to why his attitude is what it is.

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Herpes–What happens with in Ron Mexico, stays in Mexico.

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who is ron mexico? sounds like a bad porn star name.

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[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
who is ron mexico? sounds like a bad porn star name.[/quote]

Correct me if i’m mistaken, but I believe that was the name Michael Vick gave to the police when he was arrested for something.

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If you read the article linked to earlier in this thread, the University President says that after his 2003 incidents (serving alcohol to underage girls, drug arrest (marijuana, I believe)) and 2004 incidents (reckless driving, marijuana posession) he was given one last chance.

The University President said at that time if Vick had one more problem he’d be gone.

I’m glad he stuck to his guns, that earns some respect from me.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
daven wrote:

Aside from Marcus’s legal issues (although some of the shit he did was pretty stupid), I can personally say the guy is an asshole…Marcus has always been a complete pissant. Which has no bearing over his legal issues or getting kicked off of the team.

I think it may indeed have a bearing. The screw-ups he’s committed in and of themselves are not necessarily that big a deal. The stomping on the calf incident is not necessarily that big a deal (this is football - see the Romo thread). It is the cumulative effect of all that AND being an “asshole” and a “pissant” that probably did him in. You can do a lot of the misdeeds that he did and survive but if you try to survive arrogantly you’re going to get the axe. You’re going to deserve it too. There is always a threshold. Eventually no matter how talented you are organizations are not going to put up with you. Ask Terrell Owens. Ask Randy Moss. Vick either toes the line in his future or he will be discarded.[/quote]

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“Ron Mexico” is supposedly an alias Michael Vick used when being tested for Herpes:

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“Ron Mexico” is supposedly an alias Michael Vick used when being tested for Herpes:

Mufasa[/quote]

Damn. An athlete can’t even use a fake name on a herpes test without it ending up on the internet. That sucks.