Here is a photo of some of the protesting going on. This one is of protesters outside of niketown in new york.
Nike has not release Vick’s new shoe but has also not dropped his contract. I would imagine from a purely legal standpoint they can’t fire him since he has only been indicted, but I don’t know dick about the law.
Here is a tough photo to see but it is of an airplane flying over the falcon training camp with a sign in protest of vick. This one has thrown me a little since I was a little surprised by the aircraft angle. I guess I don’t have that great of an imagination to think of something like that:
Here is a photo of some of the protestors outside of the courthouse. As was stated before things got a little crazy, but us dog lovers aren’t exactly normal so I shouldn’t have been so surprised.
Just on a positive note:
Petey from little rascals was a pitbull.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/24/case.against.vick0730/index.html
Here is an article by George Dohrman from SI online which does a good job breaking this whole thing down part by part.
Dohrman wrote the original article in SI about Vick dogfighting, I believe it came out before Vick was even indicted.
I am going to do a little more research on the case against Vick.
I know a couple of people have asked that because of all the scare and pressure tactics being used by the prosecuter, that it is now questioned that the governments case may not be as strong as once thought.
I talked to a lawyer at my gym today and he said that these scare tactics are normal and don’t reflect the strength of the case at all. I remember hearing on CNN last night, a legal analyst saying that he was amazed at how many witnesses the government did have and that it was unprecedented in this type of case.
I will search for a hard copy link for that info and paste it here.
Thanks,
Mike
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/philadelphia/8757962.html
This just broke today and shows me how this bigger case has now drawn more attention to the issue.
three guys in philly were arrested as part of a dog fighting sting the other day.
This attached photo is of a new jersey legislator at the state house in trenton with charges that some of the dogs in the vick case may have come from new jersey.
On the negative side, it seems every politician and talking head is getting in on this for attention.
I cannot be sure of there motivations (do they really care about the dogs or as I suspect they don’t give a shit and are just striking while the iron is hot).
Vick’s a dumb ass. Getting paid millions of dollars, have a gifted life and he fights dogs on the side?? Pathetic. Those who support him are more concerned about their Fantasy picks than anything else. He knew exactly what was going on at his property.
He’s stupid, but he ain’t that stupid.
I don’t even own a dog but feel he needs to do some time. At least a year to “de-thug” in the clink and reflect on how good he has it.
[quote]TKOWKD1 wrote:
Now you can voice your disgust for Michael Vick’s repugnant actions, by signing an online petition, all it takes is 30 seconds.
Do it for poor Rufus
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Done.
If you want to see the horrific results of what dogfighting does to these poor animals, here’s a link that’s not for the faint of heart.
http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm
This is what Michael Vick saw up close. I couldn’t look at all of it because my dog came into the room. I hugged him and almost cried.
[quote]K O N G wrote:
Vick’s a dumb ass. Getting paid millions of dollars, have a gifted life and he fights dogs on the side?? Pathetic. Those who support him are more concerned about their Fantasy picks than anything else. He knew exactly what was going on at his property.
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I wouldn’t want to be in your family if you ever had a big windfall. Do you know how many cousins he probably bought a house for? On top of that a $34,000 house? He probably got that money from a booster in college. Then you expect him in between training camps, partying(passing off herpes), vacations, learning about his finances, doing tons of commercials a day, spending the summer in Atlanta at his $5 million dollar house trying to get his brother on board, to know or even give a shit what happens at his $34,000 dollar house?
If he loves the sport of dog fighting, and was there then yeah, otherwise why would he give a shit?
And to the person who says landlords are responsible for their property and drug dealing. I say that is bullshit. If that was the case half the landlords in NYC would be under the jails by now. Only time prosecuters would ever try to use something like that is if they can’t catch a landlord that is actually a drug dealer.
Yeah I heard about the ‘extra charges’ statement. I forgot the terminology they used, but they said something along those lines that you said Mike, that someone will rat him out.
I think the co-defendants (his buddies) won’t rat him out. From what I know, these are his childhood friends from his hometown (Newport News, VA), and I think it’s going to be a ‘don’t bite the hand that feeds you’ ordeal.
Since Vick brought his buddies out of the hood, and takes care of them and gives them pretty much whatever they want, in turn, they aren’t going to rat him out because of everything Vick had done for them, in terms of getting them out of the hood. I think maybe his buddies are ‘afraid’ of testifying against their friend (Vick), and if they do, Vick will essentially cut off their ties, and they will be back at square one again, and probably back living a less than lavish lifestyle.
Just my thoughts.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey Tmoney1,
I just got home and got the news. Here is the link on the ESPN site:
What I found interesting was the prosecuter bringing up the “extra” charges. As all the news site’s are reporting, this is being done in an effort to get one of the 5 co defendents to turn on the others and testify against them.
Nobody seems to believe that Vick will be the one to “Rat Out” first. In fact, everything I have seen, it is believed that the others will turn him in.
This thing seems to be going to trial pretty quickly, Nov. 26, right in the middle of the season.
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[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Here is a photo of Mike vick walking into the court house.
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I saw this on ESPN yesterday.
Love him or hate him, you have to admit he looks pretty darn sharp in a suit.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Here is a bizzarre one. This guy showed up to support Vick and his wife showed up to protest vick. I seriously wonder if this guy really cares about Mike Vick. What I think happnened is his wife dragged him out to this protest on his day off and he said to hell with her and protested for Vick!
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That is definitely odd.
I saw something odd as well the other day. I saw a PETA representative picketing outside the NFL’s headquarters, had a sign that said ‘Sack Vick’, and was wearing a Virginia Tech t-shirt.
I don’t know if the guy knew, but Vick went to Va Tech, so he had a sign that was against Vick, but was wearing a shirt of Vick’s college.
Definitely odd.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Here is a photo of some of the protesting going on. This one is of protesters outside of niketown in new york.
Nike has not release Vick’s new shoe but has also not dropped his contract. I would imagine from a purely legal standpoint they can’t fire him since he has only been indicted, but I don’t know dick about the law.
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I’m not 100% certain either, but I think essentially an endorsement is an ‘at-will’ agreement between the athlete and sponsor. Nike can drop him at any time if they wants for any reason.
Nike didn’t drop Kobe Bryant during the time he was facing rape allegations in Colorado. They even released his new shoe during that time, but didn’t include him in any print or tv advertisements. After the case was clear did he finally appear in a print ad in sports magazines. Vick’s new shoe release is being delayed for now.
I think Nike is keeping him, and is in a similar situation like with Bryant. If they drop Vick, people will say ‘Nike kept Kobe, why not Vick?’ I feel if Nike keeps one, keep them all. If they drop one, drop them all. They have to be fair, have one set of standards for all their athletes, and not give special treatment to certain players.
EDIT: Breaking news: Nike suspends Vick’s contract and Reebok stops the sales of Vick’s #7 Falcons jersey.
Hey Tmoney1,
Thanks for the update! I can’t believe I missed that. Here is SI.com’s take on the whole thing:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/27/vick.nike.ap/index.html
This one goes into a little more detail than the espn article. It goes on to say that Donruss has pulled their michael vick trading card. Turns out the owner has a bunch of dogs that she travels everywhere with. Go figure.
I think this thread is going to go on for awhile because there seem to be too many weird twists and turns happening every couple of hours.
I tried to find a photo of this lady Powell but nothing was available.
Tmoney1, thanks again for the update!
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
MikeShank wrote:
Here is a photo of some of the protesting going on. This one is of protesters outside of niketown in new york.
Nike has not release Vick’s new shoe but has also not dropped his contract. I would imagine from a purely legal standpoint they can’t fire him since he has only been indicted, but I don’t know dick about the law.
I’m not 100% certain either, but I think essentially an endorsement is an ‘at-will’ agreement between the athlete and sponsor. Nike can drop him at any time if they wants for any reason.
Nike didn’t drop Kobe Bryant during the time he was facing rape allegations in Colorado. They even released his new shoe during that time, but didn’t include him in any print or tv advertisements. After the case was clear did he finally appear in a print ad in sports magazines. Vick’s new shoe release is being delayed for now.
I think Nike is keeping him, and is in a similar situation like with Bryant. If they drop Vick, people will say ‘Nike kept Kobe, why not Vick?’ I feel if Nike keeps one, keep them all. If they drop one, drop them all. They have to be fair, have one set of standards for all their athletes, and not give special treatment to certain players.
EDIT: Breaking news: Nike suspends Vick’s contract and Reebok stops the sales of Vick’s #7 Falcons jersey.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey Tmoney1,
Thanks for the update! I can’t believe I missed that. Here is SI.com’s take on the whole thing:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/27/vick.nike.ap/index.html
This one goes into a little more detail than the espn article. It goes on to say that Donruss has pulled their michael vick trading card. Turns out the owner has a bunch of dogs that she travels everywhere with. Go figure.
I think this thread is going to go on for awhile because there seem to be too many weird twists and turns happening every couple of hours.
I tried to find a photo of this lady Powell but nothing was available.
Tmoney1, thanks again for the update!
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No problem Mike, and thanks for the link to the SI article, much appreciated.
Yeah, the trial date is November 26, 4 months to the day from yesterday in which Vick went to court.
That’s interesting about his cards being pulled. I guess the value of any Vick Donruss cards will be going up substantially in the near future.
Hi Yo Momma,
Thanks for posting something I didn’t have the stones to do myself. I have seen similar video’s and pictures like that and I can’t really post them because they bother me too much. The last time I looked at Rufus’s body all starved out in that box it haunted me for a couple of days.
Thinking about it right now is giving me angst.
I was hoping that somebody else would post that angle of this issue, I just knew it couldn’t be me.
Thank you.
Here is another link, this one is a little different. It is a compilation of pictures set to Josh Groban’s “You raise me up”. This is about all that I can stomach these days.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
TKOWKD1 wrote:
Now you can voice your disgust for Michael Vick’s repugnant actions, by signing an online petition, all it takes is 30 seconds.
Do it for poor Rufus
Done.
If you want to see the horrific results of what dogfighting does to these poor animals, here’s a link that’s not for the faint of heart.
http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm
This is what Michael Vick saw up close. I couldn’t look at all of it because my dog came into the room. I hugged him and almost cried.
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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
And to the person who says landlords are responsible for their property and drug dealing. I say that is bullshit. If that was the case half the landlords in NYC would be under the jails by now. Only time prosecuters would ever try to use something like that is if they can’t catch a landlord that is actually a drug dealer.
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It isn’t bullshit. I work at a Landlord/Tenant firm. Federal courts have the rights to seize property (drug activity) also. Whether or not the owner of the property were aware of drug activity in their house or car.
You have a duty as a Landlord, it is what it is.
Ignorance is no excuse, it might lessen the sentence or charge/fine.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
K O N G wrote:
Vick’s a dumb ass. Getting paid millions of dollars, have a gifted life and he fights dogs on the side?? Pathetic. Those who support him are more concerned about their Fantasy picks than anything else. He knew exactly what was going on at his property.
I wouldn’t want to be in your family if you ever had a big windfall. Do you know how many cousins he probably bought a house for? On top of that a $34,000 house? He probably got that money from a booster in college.
Then you expect him in between training camps, partying(passing off herpes), vacations, learning about his finances, doing tons of commercials a day, spending the summer in Atlanta at his $5 million dollar house trying to get his brother on board, to know or even give a shit what happens at his $34,000 dollar house?
If he loves the sport of dog fighting, and was there then yeah, otherwise why would he give a shit?
And to the person who says landlords are responsible for their property and drug dealing. I say that is bullshit. If that was the case half the landlords in NYC would be under the jails by now. Only time prosecuters would ever try to use something like that is if they can’t catch a landlord that is actually a drug dealer.
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Here is just the first link from when I typed in “Landlord responsibility tenant”
Here is the part you may not have known.
Foreseeability
Landlords may be liable to tenants for bad acts of other tenants if those bad acts were reasonably foreseeable. In other words, if the landlord knew or should have known that a tenant might harm another tenant, the landlord may be liable if he or she did not take actions to protect the injured tenant.
What does “reasonably foreseeable” mean? It is, of course, impossible to predict anyone’s future behavior, but there are steps a landlord may easily take to screen potential tenants.
We live in an age in which it is very easy to find out information about almost anyone, so finding out if a potential tenant may pose problems for other tenants is no more difficult than the credit and rental history background checks many landlords do as a matter of routine.
Note that state or local law in your community may not allow a landlord to refuse to rent to someone on the basis of that person’s criminal record.
A “clean” result on a background check does not necessarily mean that it is not foreseeable that a tenant may cause problems. There are clues that may be apparent after a tenant moves in that make it foreseeable that a tenant will disturb or endanger other tenants. Some of these clues are:
Persistent, excessive noise
Numerous police calls
Heavy traffic in and out of the rented premises
Broken or missing security items, such as locks or alarms, in and around the leased premises
A landlord should act quickly when he or she learns of anything that makes it foreseeable that a tenant may harm or disturb other tenants.
Liability to the Public
In some cities or states, a landlord may be liable to the public at large for criminal acts committed by tenants on the landlord’s property. Penalties may range form monetary fines to revocation of a landlord’s license, or even condemnation of the property in extreme cases.
A landlord needs to keep a close watch on his or her property to avoid liability. The days of the truly absentee landlord are over in communities that make a landlord accountable for his or her properties. Careful screening of potential tenants, along with swift action to remove problem tenants, should help a landlord to avoid liability for tenants’ bad acts.
Conclusion
The responsibility of a landlord for the acts of a “bad” tenant varies from state to state, and even in different communities in the same state. An attorney with experience in landlord-tenant issues can analyze your situation and tell you what you need to know.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hi Yo Momma,
Thanks for posting something I didn’t have the stones to do myself. I have seen similar video’s and pictures like that and I can’t really post them because they bother me too much. The last time I looked at Rufus’s body all starved out in that box it haunted me for a couple of days.
Thinking about it right now is giving me angst.
I was hoping that somebody else would post that angle of this issue, I just knew it couldn’t be me.
Thank you.
Here is another link, this one is a little different. It is a compilation of pictures set to Josh Groban’s “You raise me up”. This is about all that I can stomach these days.
Yo Momma wrote:
TKOWKD1 wrote:
Now you can voice your disgust for Michael Vick’s repugnant actions, by signing an online petition, all it takes is 30 seconds.
Do it for poor Rufus
Done.
If you want to see the horrific results of what dogfighting does to these poor animals, here’s a link that’s not for the faint of heart.
http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm
This is what Michael Vick saw up close. I couldn’t look at all of it because my dog came into the room. I hugged him and almost cried.
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Wait, is your dog’s name Rufus? Damn it! That is the exact same name I wanted to use when I got my Staffie. I suppose the world would be a little better with more Rufus’ running around though!
Here is a picture of another famous pitbull. This is Sgt. Stubby.
http://www.governorsfootguard.com/stubby/
Here is an exerpt of his story:
Stubby’s first battle injury occurred due to gas exposure. His exposure to the gas made him sensitive to even the slightest hint of the vapor. This came in handy several weeks later when an early morning gas attack was launched. The men in his portion of the trench were sleeping and were unaware that gas had just been launched.
Stubby picked up the scent of the gas and ran through the trench barking and biting at the soldiers shirts and boots waking them. Some of the soldiers woke up and realized what was happening and sounded the gas alarm. Many men were saved that morning. Stubby left the trench to avoid the gas and didn’t return until it was all clear.
After Stubby’s return to the trenches he became very useful in locating wounded men in ‘no-mans land’. No-mans land was the ground area between the Allied and German trenches. It was called no-mans land because if you became stuck there you were almost sure to be killed by snipers since the available cover was very sparce.
Stubby would listen for injured and lost men shouting in english. He would then go out to them and bark for paramedics or lead the uninjured ones back to the safety of the trenches. The men were more than greatful and treated Stubby as a golden asset to the division.
One day, while on patrol in no-mans land, Stubby heard a noise coming from a small patch of brush. He went to investigate and found a German spy who was mapping out the layout of the Allied trenches. The German soldier tried to call Stubby to him but it didn’t work. Stubby put his ears back and began to bark.
The German began to run and Stubby took off after him, biting the soldier on his legs causing him to trip and fall. Stubby then attacked the soldier’s arms and finally bit and held onto his rear end. Bye this time some of the Allied soldiers had come to see what all the noise was. When they saw that the dog had captured a spy they cheered.
Stubby had once again proven himself a real soldier. The commander of the 102d used this act of bravery to put Stubby in for a promotion to the ranks of the Noncommissioned Officers by awarding him the rank of Sergeant. He became the first dog of his breed to be given rank in the armed forces.
I guess I posted this just to show how much of a waste this all was. Pitbulls are great dogs and are capable of contributing a lot more to society than being pieces of meat for the entertainment of some really fucked up people.