[quote]Airtruth wrote:
The funny thing is how come they didn’t try to get him on drug charges also? Did they know people get much more emotional about dogs so the mere mention of dogs will make them declare his guilt?[/quote]
That’s a very good question. Could it be that the amount of pot they found in the water bottle wasn’t enough to be more than a misdemeanor offense? And thus, not worth the effort?
[quote]dre wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
The funny thing is how come they didn’t try to get him on drug charges also? Did they know people get much more emotional about dogs so the mere mention of dogs will make them declare his guilt?
That’s a very good question. Could it be that the amount of pot they found in the water bottle wasn’t enough to be more than a misdemeanor offense? And thus, not worth the effort?
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Wasn’t talking about that.
The reason they first searched the house was for drugs not dog fighting. But had they said we found a drug ring, what would have happened? People would say oh Vick had nothing to do with it, it was his family Vick my have been suspended from preseason. But no protesting.
However PETA backing your case definitely makes it a stronger case, then you get a jury your bound to have one animal lover. Just looking at MikeS’s comments specially in the beginning you should be able to tell they are willing to convict just off the mere mention of association.
I go as far as saying if it was drugs, Russell and Sharpton may have even wrote a letter asking why are we always focusing on athletes.
Only people I see brave enough to fight PETA is the fur industry and they still have a VERY hard time.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
dre wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
The funny thing is how come they didn’t try to get him on drug charges also? Did they know people get much more emotional about dogs so the mere mention of dogs will make them declare his guilt?
That’s a very good question. Could it be that the amount of pot they found in the water bottle wasn’t enough to be more than a misdemeanor offense? And thus, not worth the effort?
Wasn’t talking about that.
The reason they first searched the house was for drugs not dog fighting. But had they said we found a drug ring, what would have happened? People would say oh Vick had nothing to do with it, it was his family Vick my have been suspended from preseason. But no protesting.
However PETA backing your case definitely makes it a stronger case, then you get a jury your bound to have one animal lover. Just looking at MikeS’s comments specially in the beginning you should be able to tell they are willing to convict just off the mere mention of association.
I go as far as saying if it was drugs, Russell and Sharpton may have even wrote a letter asking why are we always focusing on athletes.
Only people I see brave enough to fight PETA is the fur industry and they still have a VERY hard time.
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Oh, I’m following you now. Yes, you are absolutely correct. Had this just been a drug investigation it wouldn’t have generated as much publicity. Not even close.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Michael Vick now has a day at the ballpark named after him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txanimalawarenessvick&prov=st&type=lgns
A minor league team is hosting “Michael Vick Animal Awareness Day”.
Any fan that brings a michael vick jersey will get free admission and the clothing will be burned in protest of vick. People are also allowed to bring their dogs to special seating at the game.[/quote]
I find that disrespectful, actually. With all due respect to Vick (and to you as well MikeShank), he has been indicted for ‘allegedly’ participating in dog fighting. I DO NOT condone dog fighting in any way, but he hasn’t even gone to court yet, and I feel that justice should be served before anyone should say he’s guilty. I don’t mind people bringing their dogs for special seating at the game, but I don’t like the jerseys being burned.
In essence, those people are ‘supporting’ Michael Vick. I’m sure a lot of people will go out and buy Vick’s jersey, just to watch them burn. In essence, by purchasing his jersey, Vick is receiving royalties from the sales, and is making money off of people who are going to burn his jersey. It’s kind of like a ‘win-win’ for Vick in terms of finances.
Look at the OJ Simpson case. From the time game 5 of the 1994 NBA Finals was interrupted to show him cruising down the highway in his Ford Bronco until the day of his verdict, the public had already declared him guilty and had written him off, but he was found not guilty, and the view changed. Even if some people to this day feel he is guilty (and apparently he ‘confessed’ in his book that he did the crimes, without actually coming out and saying he did the crimes in question), the court has ruled in his favor.
Hopefully no hard feelings MikeShank, I am the type of person that feels everyone is ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and wait until everything is played out in court. For now, Vick is innocent until the court rules on this matter.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The term “rape stand” sickens me. I dislike Vick intensely but using the term, “rape stand” is so inflammatory and ignorant it makes me question the intelligence and impartiality of any reporter that uses it.
All farmers and breeders use a variety of bizarre methods to breed animals. Is it all rape?
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Good point there Zapper. Many dog breeders use this method and none of us would blink an eye. It is simpe shock and awe tactics by the media.
I had a friend that had to insert Boar’s massive shlongs into the female pig. Did that make him an accessory to rape?
Vick is guilty but the media know how to run with a little detail and blow way out of proportion.
Hey Tmoney1,
Believe me when I say that I take absolutely no offense to anything you have written. If anything, the problem is on my side since it is pretty much impossible for me to look at this in any way that would closely resemble a logical train of thought.
The funny thing is that I realize I am wacked out of my mind on this, that my feelings and declaration of his guilt follow the complete opposite direction of our system of justice, and yet I still feel the way I do.
At least most crazy people don’t realize they are crazy, but I realize how irrational I am being and still continue to post on this topic everyday.
I have had way too many experiences like this (see picture) to think that I can in any way talk about this subject rationally.
I guess how I will keep myself in line is to just keep my post’s based on the facts and keep providing the current news as this situation unfolds.
I do agree that some people will actually go out and buy Vick jersey’s without realizing what they are actually doing.
Thanks,
Mike Cruickshank
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
MikeShank wrote:
Michael Vick now has a day at the ballpark named after him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txanimalawarenessvick&prov=st&type=lgns
A minor league team is hosting “Michael Vick Animal Awareness Day”.
Any fan that brings a michael vick jersey will get free admission and the clothing will be burned in protest of vick. People are also allowed to bring their dogs to special seating at the game.
I find that disrespectful, actually. With all due respect to Vick (and to you as well MikeShank), he has been indicted for ‘allegedly’ participating in dog fighting. I DO NOT condone dog fighting in any way, but he hasn’t even gone to court yet, and I feel that justice should be served before anyone should say he’s guilty. I don’t mind people bringing their dogs for special seating at the game, but I don’t like the jerseys being burned.
In essence, those people are ‘supporting’ Michael Vick. I’m sure a lot of people will go out and buy Vick’s jersey, just to watch them burn. In essence, by purchasing his jersey, Vick is receiving royalties from the sales, and is making money off of people who are going to burn his jersey. It’s kind of like a ‘win-win’ for Vick in terms of finances.
Look at the OJ Simpson case. From the time game 5 of the 1994 NBA Finals was interrupted to show him cruising down the highway in his Ford Bronco until the day of his verdict, the public had already declared him guilty and had written him off, but he was found not guilty, and the view changed. Even if some people to this day feel he is guilty (and apparently he ‘confessed’ in his book that he did the crimes, without actually coming out and saying he did the crimes in question), the court has ruled in his favor.
Hopefully no hard feelings MikeShank, I am the type of person that feels everyone is ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and wait until everything is played out in court. For now, Vick is innocent until the court rules on this matter.[/quote]
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
But yes I do believe he is guilty. Do you really think he had no idea what was happening on his property? I think he did. The Feds know what they are doing and right now it is a horse race to turn over evidence.
True the pet lover in me makes me more biased, but then again, just weighing what they’ve found, some common sense, and the statements in the indictment, he’s toast.
Guilty of what is the question? All factual evidence I’ve seen doesn’t put Vick IN the same location as actual dog fighting contest. Also doesn’t put him as the purchaser of equipment(besides the land, and possibly the house of course).
The only evidence I’ve seen(not to say feds dont’ ahve anything else) is people that were already caught and making deals. Do I think he knew about it? YES. Bet on it? probably at one time or another.
Did he set it up? Can’t say I know this for sure. I’ve seen rich athletes with poor families, cousins they don’t even know beg for money. Half the time there not even the ones giving it out, they designate some other close family member to give it out or just say heres 10000 leave me alone.
The funny thing is how come they didn’t try to get him on drug charges also? Did they know people get much more emotional about dogs so the mere mention of dogs will make them declare his guilt?[/quote]
Landlords may be held accountable for crimes committed on their property. This isn’t new.
Landlords are responsible for ensuring the safety of neighbors and tenants.
Landlords such as Vick are held to be aware of the activities of their tenants.
Not acting as an informed Landlord can be considered abetting a criminal enterprise.
I hope they seize the house due to the drug charge as they can under certain statutes.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The term “rape stand” sickens me. I dislike Vick intensely but using the term, “rape stand” is so inflammatory and ignorant it makes me question the intelligence and impartiality of any reporter that uses it.
All farmers and breeders use a variety of bizarre methods to breed animals. Is it all rape?
Good point there Zapper. Many dog breeders use this method and none of us would blink an eye. It is simpe shock and awe tactics by the media.
I had a friend that had to insert Boar’s massive shlongs into the female pig. Did that make him an accessory to rape?
Vick is guilty but the media know how to run with a little detail and blow way out of proportion.[/quote]
And of course in order to make animals ejaculate to collect the esperm they often insert an electric prod into the anus. Not that it has anything to do with my name.
I wonder what happened to the drug charges that brought the local police into Vick’s house initially.
I wonder why Vick’s water bottle “incident” went away so quickly.
Is it possible that the Feds were sitting on this dog fighting ring already? They make the water bottle go away to allow time to finish up fact gathering on the bigger issue.
How did the local cops go in on a drug raid, but now there is no mention of the drug charges. Why didn’t the locals continue the search when they had the warrant to dig?
Hey Mike,
Thanks for understanding. Just wanted to make sure no feelings were hurt, and I didn’t want to rub you the wrong way. I know this is an issue you are concerned about (we all have to be passionate about something, don’t we?), and voicing your opinion is necessary.
It’s good that you are staying abreast of the situation, and is something that needs to be brought to the forefront. Not only in sports, but for humanity as well.
Doing a good job of the information so far, keep rockin.
BTW, don’t know if you are aware, but Vick went to court today, gave a plea of not guilty, and the trial will begin November 26.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey Tmoney1,
Believe me when I say that I take absolutely no offense to anything you have written. If anything, the problem is on my side since it is pretty much impossible for me to look at this in any way that would closely resemble a logical train of thought.
The funny thing is that I realize I am wacked out of my mind on this, that my feelings and declaration of his guilt follow the complete opposite direction of our system of justice, and yet I still feel the way I do.
At least most crazy people don’t realize they are crazy, but I realize how irrational I am being and still continue to post on this topic everyday.
I have had way too many experiences like this (see picture) to think that I can in any way talk about this subject rationally.
I guess how I will keep myself in line is to just keep my post’s based on the facts and keep providing the current news as this situation unfolds.
I do agree that some people will actually go out and buy Vick jersey’s without realizing what they are actually doing.
Thanks,
Mike Cruickshank
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Hey Tmoney1,
I just got home and got the news. Here is the link on the ESPN site:
What I found interesting was the prosecuter bringing up the “extra” charges. As all the news site’s are reporting, this is being done in an effort to get one of the 5 co defendents to turn on the others and testify against them.
Nobody seems to believe that Vick will be the one to “Rat Out” first. In fact, everything I have seen, it is believed that the others will turn him in.
This thing seems to be going to trial pretty quickly, Nov. 26, right in the middle of the season.
This is already becomming a circus. Supposedly he was loudly booed as he walked into the hearing. There was a guy in a dog costume?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070720/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_falcons_vick_indicted_4
Here is some info on the judge he faces. If you read some of the other links you will see that he (the judge) is living up to his billing as a no non sense guy. I don’t know if this will help vick or hurt him but it will make sure that this thing doesn’t drag along.
I am shocked at all the reports about how calm and confident Vick has been through all this.
I thought I would attach some photos of some of the recent goings on of the trial:
Here is a bizzarre one. This guy showed up to support Vick and his wife showed up to protest vick. I seriously wonder if this guy really cares about Mike Vick. What I think happnened is his wife dragged him out to this protest on his day off and he said to hell with her and protested for Vick!
Here is the picture caption from Yahoo:
Shawn Dodson sits with his wife, Sheila, as they wait outside a federal courthouse in Richmond, Va., on Thursday, July 26, 2007. Shawn Dodson is a Vick supporter, but Sheila Dodson came to protest during Vick’s arraignment. Vick pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal dogfighting charges and was released without bond until a Nov. 26 trial. The Atlanta Falcons quarterback then apologized to his mother and asked that judgment be withheld.
Here is a photo of a vick supporter was caught on t.v. during an atlanta braves game:
Here is a photo of Mike vick walking into the court house.
Here is another photo of a vick supporter outside the falcon’s training camp:
“They must be mistaken
With those statements that they makin.”
Prosecuters are using a whole lot of scare tactics for a solid case.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Prosecuters are using a whole lot of scare tactics for a solid case.[/quote]
Makes me wonder how solid it is.