Here is a link to her claiming that she is not a FAKE muslim.
What I find interesting about the Vick angle is what I suppose to be a genuine lack of honesty about the whole thing. Maybe he really did find Jesus, who knows. Growing up Catholic, I know that if you accept Christ as your lord and savior that it is Jesus�??s job to forgive us for our sins and to love us for who we are.
I just always thought the condition was that you genuinely turned your life over to him. I think Vick is a lot like this woman in that I believe it to be a means to an end.
Roy Jones is a jackass: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/dhb/dhbenz082207.htm
Quoted in Newsday, Jones Jr on the subject of Michael Vick and Dog Fighting, stated this to the publication: “People tend to talk so hard against people. They make it such a bad thing, like dog fighting is worse than killing someone.”
Jones Jr added: “I’m not a dog fighter. I’ve never been to a dog fight. But just because they have the animals doesn’t mean they are fighting the animals. Michael Vick doesn’t have that kind of time to train and raise dogs… I like bulldogs and I like their mentally.”
Jones Jr concluded: “They are making this so bad, but really two dogs fighting can happen in anyone’s backyard or on the street. It happened in my backyard, two of my dogs fought and one died.”
Also quoted in the Green Valley News, Jones Jr stated: �??Fighting animals don�??t necessarily get mistreated. They get treated just the way I get treated
So let me get this straight, after the last two times Roy Jones got knocked the fuck out, his manager took him out back, electrocuted him and then hung him by his neck and slammed him into a wall?
MIKE VICK TO BE MORE POPULAR AFTER THE GUILTY PLEA!
Syracuse, NY (PRWEB) July 24, 2007 – Prominent Syracuse University Professor Dr. Boyce Watkins argues that Atlanta Falcons star Michael Vick will be more popular than ever after the dog fighting scandal is over. Dr. Watkins, a regular commentator on African Americans in sport on ESPN, CBS and CNN, says that the source of Vick’s increased popularity will likely be the fact that many of his fans already support a barbaric sport.
“In a sport like football, the more of a ‘man’s man’ you are, the more some people love you,” says Watkins, author of “What if George Bush were a Black Man?” “People are going to love Vick for the same reasons they loved Tyson in spite of the rape conviction and loved Babe Ruth after all the drinking and womanizing. There is an almost shocking masculinity affect involved.”
I was amazed the other day, watching Sports Center, they were already talking about Vick’s inevitable return to professional football, and about how absurd the idea was that he could be banned from pro-football for life.
What would someone have to do to get banned for life? Child molestation? Murder? One minute they’re talking about how tough the league is going to get on players who get arrested for carrying illegal firearms, or drugs, or whatever, and the next minute they’re talking about what a great guy Vick is and how preposterous it would be for the commisioner to give him anything more than a slap on the wrist. This is fucking obscene.
ATLANTA – The Atlanta Falcons formally sent a demand letter to Michael Vick on Monday, asking to recover $20 million of the $37 million in total bonuses paid to Vick under terms of the 10-year extension that he signed on Christmas Eve 2004.
The unanswered question: how much of that $20 million will the Falcons actually receive? Most experts agree that the Falcons probably will eventually recoup only a fraction of what they are seeking, perhaps as little as $3.5 million by some estimates. And that amount might not be clear for a long time, given that the matter is almost certain to be resolved by an arbitrator�?��?�.
�?�.Much of Vick’s bonus money, $29.5 million of the $37 million, was characterized as roster bonuses in the December 2004 extension. Some experts who have carefully studied the Lelie ruling generally feel that roster bonuses will be viewed as similar to option bonuses if teams attempt to recover them.
That might mean Atlanta would only be able to pursue a prorated share of the initial $7.5 million singing bonus Vick received in three installments as part of his 10-year extension. For salary cap bookkeeping purposes, that signing bonus was prorated over six years, the 2004 through 2009 seasons. Since Vick fulfilled his contract in three of those six seasons, the Falcons might be entitled to only half of the signing bonus money
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I was amazed the other day, watching Sports Center, they were already talking about Vick’s inevitable return to professional football, and about how absurd the idea was that he could be banned from pro-football for life.
What would someone have to do to get banned for life? Child molestation? Murder? One minute they’re talking about how tough the league is going to get on players who get arrested for carrying illegal firearms, or drugs, or whatever, and the next minute they’re talking about what a great guy Vick is and how preposterous it would be for the commisioner to give him anything more than a slap on the wrist. This is fucking obscene.[/quote]
Why do we need a justice department if you expect the sports leauges to play police? If you have a problem with Michael Vicks having a life after jail, then maybe you should focus your energy on jails. Either A) they are not rehabilitating people and you can work on fixing them, or B) Put everybody who commits any crime in jail for life.
If you love dogs thats fine but THEY ARE NOT HUMANS. Everybody is making this huge fuss how Vick should be banned for life. Yet pacman got a year, and everybody is saying OK. How do you think the guy sitting paralyzed in the hospital is going to feel next year watching PacMan score touchdowns, while everybody is screaming Vick should be banned for life?
Murder? Ray lewis and Co. Killed somebody but evidently his human life is worth a whole lot less than dogs. I wonder if the dead young mans mother is marching on this dog fighting campaign
punishment:
Murder 0 time
Dog fighting 12 months
People have a real fucked up sense of right and wrong.
The lead attorney for the NFL Players Association said the union will fight any effort by the Atlanta Falcons to retrieve bonus money paid to suspended quarterback Michael Vick. Earlier this week, it was reported the Falcons will seek to reclaim at least $20 million in bonuses paid to Vick, who pleaded guilty Monday to federal dogfighting charges.
“We believe their case is not valid and we certainly will fight to protect Michael from any action taken by the Falcons,” union attorney Richard Berthelsen said Thursday. “The lion’s share of the money he received was in roster bonuses and we believe to the extent the Ashley Lelie case dealt with performance-based bonuses, this subject is already covered in the collective bargaining agreement.”
A Falcons spokesman declined to comment.
I feel the union had to do this. I am not sure if they are obligated to do it but this could set a precedent for other players.
I find this interesting given the fact that the union was so quiet during the criminal proceedings.
Gallup poll: Most pro football fans say Vick must not return to NFL
August 29, 2007
WASHINGTON (AP) – Michael Vick should not be allowed to play in the National Football League again, most professional football fans said in a poll that underscored how far the celebrity quarterback’s star has fallen.
In addition, an overwhelming majority of fans want him to serve prison time now that he has pleaded guilty to a federal dogfighting charge, according to the Gallup Poll released Wednesday. Few would want to him to play for their favorite team should he return to the sport.
The NFL indefinitely suspended the Atlanta Falcons star after he filed a written plea agreement in court on Friday. In a public apology Monday, he said he now rejected dogfighting and had not been honest about the episode.
The poll was conducted after widespread news reports that he would plead guilty in the case.
According to the survey, 58 percent said he should not be allowed to play in the NFL anymore. Only 22 percent said they would want the team they root for to try to acquire him should he return.
In addition, 35 percent said they believe he should serve a long prison sentence, 51 percent said they favored a short one, and 12 percent said they believe he should not serve any time.
I have to disagree with the title of this article. I hate Vick but I also don’t see how 58% is most fans. Maybe a majority but not an overwhelming mandate.
Where did I say that I hold a dog’s life as more important than a human being’s? I also don’t remember saying anything about Pacman Jones or Ray Lewis.
I don’t expect the League to play police. I do expect, that if someone is convicted of a serious felony, as Vick has been, that they should get a lifetime ban. I also think that when they have been charged with violent crimes, they should be suspended indeffinately until the charges have been cleared up. Professional atheletes are role models. A slap on the wrist just tells kids that if you are rich and famous enough, you can get away with anything.
Obviously, if either Jones or Lewis had been convicted, they should also be banned. But Lewis wasn’t convicted of anything but a misdimenor “obstruction of justice”, and I don’t know what is going on with Jones.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
I was amazed the other day, watching Sports Center, they were already talking about Vick’s inevitable return to professional football, and about how absurd the idea was that he could be banned from pro-football for life.
What would someone have to do to get banned for life? Child molestation? Murder? One minute they’re talking about how tough the league is going to get on players who get arrested for carrying illegal firearms, or drugs, or whatever, and the next minute they’re talking about what a great guy Vick is and how preposterous it would be for the commisioner to give him anything more than a slap on the wrist. This is fucking obscene.
Why do we need a justice department if you expect the sports leauges to play police? If you have a problem with Michael Vicks having a life after jail, then maybe you should focus your energy on jails. Either A) they are not rehabilitating people and you can work on fixing them, or B) Put everybody who commits any crime in jail for life.
If you love dogs thats fine but THEY ARE NOT HUMANS. Everybody is making this huge fuss how Vick should be banned for life. Yet pacman got a year, and everybody is saying OK. How do you think the guy sitting paralyzed in the hospital is going to feel next year watching PacMan score touchdowns, while everybody is screaming Vick should be banned for life?
Murder? Ray lewis and Co. Killed somebody but evidently his human life is worth a whole lot less than dogs. I wonder if the dead young mans mother is marching on this dog fighting campaign
punishment:
Murder 0 time
Dog fighting 12 months
People have a real fucked up sense of right and wrong.
I would expect you to take it as a personal response because I quoted you, but it was a response to you as well as my opinion of the protesting against Vick. Rather than put it in 2 different posts I put it in one.
No you did not say lewis, but you said what would someone have to do next murder? Lewis and his coharts did commit murder, the court system is just unable to pin one person. Since they were not convicted you can not expect the league to punish him, in otherwords let the American Justice system do its job. Same thing with Vick let the justice system do its job.
With pacman if you feel he should be suspended than it is hypocritical considering he hasn’t been convicted of anything either.
My point about taking a dog’s life above a humans is about the protesting and energy put into a) the media coverage b) the courtroom protesting, and c) the fight for a lifetime ban. I did not see any of this energy or protesting for lewis or pacman, perhaps if there was protesting lewis would have been convicted also. While noone will come out and say that they put a dogs life above a humans, the energy dictates that it is true.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Lewis and his coharts did commit murder, the court system is just unable to pin one person. Since they were not convicted you can not expect the league to punish him, in otherwords let the American Justice system do its job. Same thing with Vick let the justice system do its job.
[/quote]
Exactly. Lewis wasn’t convicted of anything but a misdemeanor obstruction of justice charge. And the league fined him.
As I said, I don’t know much about Pacman’s case, but as I understand he was suspended for a year while the charges were being investigated, and that seems appropriate. But if he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet, and since we assume that people are innocent until proven guilty, they shouldn’t continue to take away his livelihood.
[quote]
My point about taking a dog’s life above a humans is about the protesting and energy put into a) the media coverage b) the courtroom protesting, and c) the fight for a lifetime ban. I did not see any of this energy or protesting for lewis or pacman, perhaps if there was protesting lewis would have been convicted also. While noone will come out and say that they put a dogs life above a humans, the energy dictates that it is true.[/quote]
I agree with you. There were people who assumed Vick was guilty from day one, and that was wrong. I’ve even had people tell me that they value the dog’s life more than a person’s, and that’s kind of fucked up in my book.
What bothers me, and this was my original point, is that unlike the Pacman and Lewis cases, Vick has admitted his guilt, after lying about it to everyone. And they are already talking about how much character his “apology” showed, and his imminent come back, as if a lifetime ban is totally out of the question.
In the cases of Pacman and Lewis, if you assume they are guilty, then it was the justice system that failed, but the league did what was appropriate. In the Vick case, it looks like the justice department will come through. It’s now up to the League to step up and do the right thing. I’m not optimistic, though, just imagine the potential ratings of a Michael Vick come back.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
It’s now up to the League to step up and do the right thing. I’m not optimistic, though, just imagine the potential ratings of a Michael Vick come back.
[/quote]
question:
The peta fans that protest when Vick comes back, will they buy tickets and protest at the games. Or boycott and protest in the parking lot?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
It’s now up to the League to step up and do the right thing. I’m not optimistic, though, just imagine the potential ratings of a Michael Vick come back.
question:
The peta fans that protest when Vick comes back, will they buy tickets and protest at the games. Or boycott and protest in the parking lot?
[/quote]
The Peta fans, and most of the other reactionaries who demanded Vick’s head from day one probably aren’t football fans anyway. Think about all the free publicity that controversy always generates.
An article in Anthrozoos magazine sets the figure at 35 million:
“Writing in Anthrozoos Gary Patronek of Purdue University School of
Veterinary Medicine and Andrew Rowan of Tufts University School of
Veterinary Medicine have started the ball rolling. Patronek and Rowan
compiled statistics from the pet industry, the American Kennel Club,
the American veterinary Medical Association, the Humane Society of the
US, the American Humane Association, and other sources to paint a
picture of dog ownership in the US in a recent editorial in the
scholarly magazine published by the Delta Society… Rowan and
Patronek report that about 52 million dogs live in 35 million US
households.”
National Animal Interest Alliance
The most precise figure I found online - 43,143,849 - came from
American Pet Association polls (from 1998 through 2001):
“There are 43,143,849 dog owners in the United States, who own a total
of 61,542,900 million dogs, and there are 74,894,580 million cats for
a total of 136,437,480 pets.”
americans
united states
usa
dog owners
dog ownership
own dogs
pet census
I got all this information off some guys post on another site. I guess you could say that pissing off a large percentage of people numbering between 43 million to 50 million, is not a good way to advance ones career. It is also not the best way to ensure that on would get an impartial jury or fair coverage in the media.
As I hope you can see by these numbers there is a lot more people to this than just a bunch of psycho PETA people.
To everybody who has taken the time to check out this thread (I believe we are over 8,000 views now) here is one more picture of Nikki Benz as a thank you from me. This one is aptly titled “Spank me”.
I really thought I was going to get a break from posting on this thread. Granted this is a topic I feel passionate about but I was getting a little tired posting so much almost everyday.
I figured I would take a little break until things heated back up again before the sentencing, which wasn’t supposed to be until december.
I was wrong…
You see, I can’t figure out who is dumber, Mike Vick or the people who try to defend him.
The latest short bus passenger:
Whoopi Goldberg
Check it out:
Who Is the Latest Michael Vick Defender??
Posted Sep 4th 2007 2:12PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: TV, The View
You’ll never guess who the latest person is to jump into the Michael Vick defense fray!!
It’s Whoopi!
On her first day as “The View’s” moderator, Goldberg made a big splash – more like a big splat --playing apologist for confessed dogfighting kingpin Michael Vick’s canine torturing, explaining that dogfighting was “part of his cultural upbringing.”
Much to the obvious dismay of “View”-mates Joy Behar and Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Goldberg suggested that Vick might not have known that he was doing a viciously horrific thing with his dogfighting ring. “You know, from his background, this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from,” said the redundant Whoopi.
Not content to perpetuate stereotypes about Southerners and dogfighting, Goldberg also likened Vick and his outrage to the Chinese and eating cats. “People would not like it if we ate kitty,” she said.
From what my girlfriends mom told me (my manhood does not permit me to watch the view) even whoopi realized how full of shit she sounded by the end of the statement. Either way she is a retard.
I hope asians get pissed about whoopi summing their entire diet up by saying they eat cats!
Humane Society Auctions Off Vick’s Note to Self
Posted Sep 4th 2007 1:25PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Celebrity Justice
On August 27, Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick plead guilty to a dogfighting charge, and the following day held a press conference in Richmond, Virg., apologizing for his involvement in the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting ring.
After Vick’s four-minute speech, a rep with the Humane Society of the United States went up to the podium to retrieve his microphone, and found the note left by Vick containing his talking points.
Vick’s big idea: apologize, apologize, apologize. The six-point speech calls for him to “apologize for what I’ve done;” apologize to his coach and team; tell young kids that “I acted immature;” ask for “forgiveness and understanding;” “take full responsibility for my actions;” and remind people that “we all make mistakes.”
At the very bottom of the note was a reminder that “dogs have suffered.”
“Watching video of the event, I recall Vick reading through his talking points. I don’t recall him getting to those words at the end. No, for some reason, he didn’t get to the dogs on whom he inflicted such tortures,” wrote Humane Society blogger Wayne Pacelle on A Humane Nation. “The biggest apology of all was left unspoken-to the dogs who suffered and who died so horribly at his hand.”
The Humane Society has put the note up for auction. Proceeds will benefit the Humane Society’s Animal Cruelty Response and Reward Fund.
SUSSEX, Va. (AP) – Michael Vick and three co-defendants were indicted by a grand jury Tuesday on state charges related to a dogfighting ring operated on Vick’s Virginia property.
The grand jury passed on indicting the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and two of co-defendants on eight counts of animal cruelty, which would have exposed them to as many as 40 years in prison if convicted.
Vick, who already pleaded guilty in federal court to a dogfighting conspiracy charge and is awaiting sentencing on Dec. 10,
It was also stated in the article that Michael Vick has been indefinitely suspended without pay by the NFL and been dropped by all his major sponsors. I wasn�??t sure if that was already known.
