Any thoughts on the Amanda Knox murder case in Perugia, Italy? She was convicted of murder yesterday by Italian jurors for the 2007 murder of British student Meredith Kercher, and will be serving 26 years behind Italian bars. I believe that an appeal is already in process.
I knew she would be found guilty, their system of government is different than ours. Over there, you are guilty until proven innocent.
I just read up on it.
Fuck, that whole situation is messed up. The way the news put it, this was pretty much open and shut with Amanda pretty much convicting herself.
Course I could be wrong, anybody want to correct what I read…?
She was found guilty by a unanimous vote, the question was whether to give her life or not. The news this morning said that they hope to get Hillary Clinton involved in the appeal process, but I highly doubt that any of it will help. They do not fuck around over there, she will probably do 10-15 yrs most likely.
i didn’t follow the trial. But I just read an article that says somebody else confessed to the crime (not her boyfriend - a 3rd party), and there was no physical evidence connecting her whatsoever. But because this case is so highly publicized, she was convicted because to drop the case would be too embarrassing for the Italian government.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I knew she would be found guilty, their system of government is different than ours. Over there, you are guilty until proven innocent. [/quote]
lol, Really?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I knew she would be found guilty, their system of government is different than ours. Over there, you are guilty until proven innocent. [/quote]
lol, Really? [/quote]
Really really.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I just read up on it.
Fuck, that whole situation is messed up. The way the news put it, this was pretty much open and shut with Amanda pretty much convicting herself.
Course I could be wrong, anybody want to correct what I read…?[/quote]
It was not an open and shut case. The media and the stubborn & delusional prosecutor convicted her. Amanda Knox is CLEARLY COMPLETELY INNOCENT and those bastards just stole her life. I knew she was going to get convicted, but even still, I’m highly upset by the verdict.
The Italian police and the dipshit prosecutor hatched this fantastical theory of how Amanda killed her roommate and it became sensationalized news. They were too stubborn to drop the case against Amanda and the boy when none of the evidence supported their theory and even after they caught the real killer. They prosecuted two innocent people for the sole purpose of saving face. Pathetic.
I’d like to say Italy can go to hell. Unfortunately I know shit like that happens here too.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I just read up on it.
Fuck, that whole situation is messed up. The way the news put it, this was pretty much open and shut with Amanda pretty much convicting herself.
Course I could be wrong, anybody want to correct what I read…?[/quote]
It was not an open and shut case. The media and the stubborn & delusional prosecutor convicted her. Amanda Knox is CLEARLY COMPLETELY INNOCENT and those bastards just stole her life. I knew she was going to get convicted, but even still, I’m highly upset by the verdict.
The Italian police and the dipshit prosecutor hatched this fantastical theory of how Amanda killed her roommate and it became sensationalized news. They were too stubborn to drop the case against Amanda and the boy when none of the evidence supported their theory and even after they caught the real killer. They prosecuted two innocent people for the sole purpose of saving face. Pathetic.
I’d like to say Italy can go to hell. Unfortunately I know shit like that happens here too.[/quote]
According to one source, she admitted to it…?
Damn.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I just read up on it.
Fuck, that whole situation is messed up. The way the news put it, this was pretty much open and shut with Amanda pretty much convicting herself.
Course I could be wrong, anybody want to correct what I read…?[/quote]
It was not an open and shut case. The media and the stubborn & delusional prosecutor convicted her. Amanda Knox is CLEARLY COMPLETELY INNOCENT and those bastards just stole her life. I knew she was going to get convicted, but even still, I’m highly upset by the verdict.
The Italian police and the dipshit prosecutor hatched this fantastical theory of how Amanda killed her roommate and it became sensationalized news. They were too stubborn to drop the case against Amanda and the boy when none of the evidence supported their theory and even after they caught the real killer. They prosecuted two innocent people for the sole purpose of saving face. Pathetic.
I’d like to say Italy can go to hell. Unfortunately I know shit like that happens here too.[/quote]
According to one source, she admitted to it…?
Damn.
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Read up on what it’s like for an unsuspecting person to suddenly be thrown into hours of intense interrogation against trained “professionals”. Also, read up on the details of how she supposedly confessed. My take on it is that she was desperate for them to stop when they basically said “Tell us how you might imagine it happening if you had been there”. The story she concocted, btw, did not fit in any way with the crime scene and especially, the real killer wasn’t mentioned.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I just read up on it.
Fuck, that whole situation is messed up. The way the news put it, this was pretty much open and shut with Amanda pretty much convicting herself.
Course I could be wrong, anybody want to correct what I read…?[/quote]
It was not an open and shut case. The media and the stubborn & delusional prosecutor convicted her. Amanda Knox is CLEARLY COMPLETELY INNOCENT and those bastards just stole her life. I knew she was going to get convicted, but even still, I’m highly upset by the verdict.
The Italian police and the dipshit prosecutor hatched this fantastical theory of how Amanda killed her roommate and it became sensationalized news. They were too stubborn to drop the case against Amanda and the boy when none of the evidence supported their theory and even after they caught the real killer. They prosecuted two innocent people for the sole purpose of saving face. Pathetic.
I’d like to say Italy can go to hell. Unfortunately I know shit like that happens here too.[/quote]
According to one source, she admitted to it…?
Damn.
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Read up on what it’s like for an unsuspecting person to suddenly be thrown into hours of intense interrogation against trained “professionals”. Also, read up on the details of how she supposedly confessed. My take on it is that she was desperate for them to stop when they basically said “Tell us how you might imagine it happening if you had been there”. The story she concocted, btw, did not fit in any way with the crime scene and especially, the real killer wasn’t mentioned.
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Fair enough, did some more reading, I see what you are getting at.
I thought this sweet innocent girl tried to blame someone who was clearly innocent.
Pretty sure she deserves her punishment just for that.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I knew she would be found guilty, their system of government is different than ours. Over there, you are guilty until proven innocent. [/quote]
lol, Really? [/quote]
Yes. In the US it has to be beyond reasonable doubt for each and every jury member that the person was guilty. If even a single one has reasonable doubt then they won’t be convicted.
In Italy they have a vote on the verdict and need to get a majority to convict. So if 7 of 12 people think you are guilty and the other 5 think you are innocent you are going to jail buddy.
In addition in Italy the jury members are allowed to talk to people uninvolved with the case (i.e. family and friends) and watch news stories about it. Now this is serious bullshit. We all know how easily the media manipulates people.
Can you imagine in the US if you had 7 FOX news fans on a jury who listened to Glenn Beck about the case. It is not going to be a fair trial.
Justice in Italy is a damn joke.
Frankly I don’t know enough about the case to comment on her guilt but I know enough about the Italian legal system to know she couldn’t get a fair trial.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]Gregus wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I knew she would be found guilty, their system of government is different than ours. Over there, you are guilty until proven innocent. [/quote]
lol, Really? [/quote]
Yes. In the US it has to be beyond reasonable doubt for each and every jury member that the person was guilty. If even a single one has reasonable doubt then they won’t be convicted.
In Italy they have a vote on the verdict and need to get a majority to convict. So if 7 of 12 people think you are guilty and the other 5 think you are innocent you are going to jail buddy.
In addition in Italy the jury members are allowed to talk to people uninvolved with the case (i.e. family and friends) and watch news stories about it. Now this is serious bullshit. We all know how easily the media manipulates people.
Can you imagine in the US if you had 7 FOX news fans on a jury who listened to Glenn Beck about the case. It is not going to be a fair trial.
Justice in Italy is a damn joke.
Frankly I don’t know enough about the case to comment on her guilt but I know enough about the Italian legal system to know she couldn’t get a fair trial.[/quote]
As opposed to to the US where prosecutors claim that they could get a juror to indict a ham sandwich, where RICO cases male sure that “beyond reasonable doubt” goes out of the window, where they can pile so many charges on you that you just have to make a bargain and where you are removed from jury duty if you so much as whisper “jury nullification”?
I would rather stand before an Italian court than an American one.
Plus, they do not kill people there, so if she is innocent she has decades to prove it whereas in the US even retarded kids get railroaded and killed by the state.
So, and bear with me here, both systems suck.
The way Italy’s system is set up, more innocent people go to jail, where here in the US more guilty people go free. This is why I tell people that while the US system is not perfect, it is much better than other countries. You have some rights as someone accused here, where you have less to none elsewhere.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Read up on what it’s like for an unsuspecting person to suddenly be thrown into hours of intense interrogation against trained “professionals”. Also, read up on the details of how she supposedly confessed. My take on it is that she was desperate for them to stop when they basically said “Tell us how you might imagine it happening if you had been there”. The story she concocted, btw, did not fit in any way with the crime scene and especially, the real killer wasn’t mentioned.
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Actually, she made up a very detailed account by which she accused Patrick Lumumba, the bar owner, for killing Meredith. Not something you’d do when you’re “disoriented”.
Based on the information I read from the media, there were ample evidence against her and Sollecito.
She’s young and good looking, so what? Unfortunately, this shows how American public opinion is easily swayed by aggressive media campaigns and the mythical “celebrity” status.
OJ Simpson anyone?
[quote]loppar wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Read up on what it’s like for an unsuspecting person to suddenly be thrown into hours of intense interrogation against trained “professionals”. Also, read up on the details of how she supposedly confessed. My take on it is that she was desperate for them to stop when they basically said “Tell us how you might imagine it happening if you had been there”. The story she concocted, btw, did not fit in any way with the crime scene and especially, the real killer wasn’t mentioned.
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Actually, she made up a very detailed account by which she accused Patrick Lumumba, the bar owner, for killing Meredith. Not something you’d do when you’re “disoriented”.
Based on the information I read from the media, there were ample evidence against her and Sollecito.
She’s young and good looking, so what? Unfortunately, this shows how American public opinion is easily swayed by aggressive media campaigns and the mythical “celebrity” status.
OJ Simpson anyone?
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Yeah…a lot of her story doesn’t jive. The only hang-up I have is that the confessed killer left forensic evidence everywhere in that room and Knox and her boyfreind left no evidence of being in the room. What I think happened was that they were in the house; probably heard the struggle; didn’t know exactly what was going on but imagined that someone might have been armed; were afraid and didn’t know what to do; and didn’t act. Probably was not guilty of murder but was definitely in the wrong to just stand-by. My thoughts.
The lower-level Italian courts are nuts, but it is easy to appeal. I have heard (lived in Italy for a few months)that the standard of law in the higher courts is closer to an American standard.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The way Italy’s system is set up, more innocent people go to jail, where here in the US more guilty people go free. This is why I tell people that while the US system is not perfect, it is much better than other countries. You have some rights as someone accused here, where you have less to none elsewhere. [/quote]
First how do you know how many people are guilty in the US vs Italy?
All I know is that in the Eureopean countries I know of of you cannot pile charged upon charges like in the US.
Also, prosecutor is not a political office, they have no incentive to frame you, on the contrary their career suffers if they are found to have helped convict an innocent man.
There are no plea bargains either. No prosecutor can just wing it, he must make his case.
In Italy you can even demand to get another judge if you think he is not imparrtial.
So please, their system might be fucked up and yes innocent people go to jail, but to claim that they get worse results than the US system is ridiculous.
[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:
[quote]loppar wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Read up on what it’s like for an unsuspecting person to suddenly be thrown into hours of intense interrogation against trained “professionals”. Also, read up on the details of how she supposedly confessed. My take on it is that she was desperate for them to stop when they basically said “Tell us how you might imagine it happening if you had been there”. The story she concocted, btw, did not fit in any way with the crime scene and especially, the real killer wasn’t mentioned.
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Actually, she made up a very detailed account by which she accused Patrick Lumumba, the bar owner, for killing Meredith. Not something you’d do when you’re “disoriented”.
Based on the information I read from the media, there were ample evidence against her and Sollecito.
She’s young and good looking, so what? Unfortunately, this shows how American public opinion is easily swayed by aggressive media campaigns and the mythical “celebrity” status.
OJ Simpson anyone?
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Yeah…a lot of her story doesn’t jive. The only hang-up I have is that the confessed killer left forensic evidence everywhere in that room and Knox and her boyfreind left no evidence of being in the room. What I think happened was that they were in the house; probably heard the struggle; didn’t know exactly what was going on but imagined that someone might have been armed; were afraid and didn’t know what to do; and didn’t act. Probably was not guilty of murder but was definitely in the wrong to just stand-by. My thoughts.
The lower-level Italian courts are nuts, but it is easy to appeal. I have heard (lived in Italy for a few months)that the standard of law in the higher courts is closer to an American standard. [/quote]
pst…
Are you sure that the higher US courts are up to the Italian standard?
They do not have a case law so their higher judges do not tend to be politicians.
Orion, what’s your take on the case itself?