[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Don’t believe for a second that any election there is legit. No I don’t have proof, but there is not proof otherwise either.
Must be kidding me!
Look at the numerous international polls that closely correlate with what came out of the ballots.
And how about the international observers?
There were 140 European observers sent by EU, and by their account, the elections were as transparent as they could come.
Let’s see you have international observers in the US, or get a candidate elected by 63%. By those standards, the elections in Venezuela have more international legitimacy than the ones in the US.
I said I didn’t have proof, but there are many ways to skew election results and South America has a rich, proud history of doing just that. It’s just a sense, as I have never met a Venezuelan who actually liked Chavez and assured me there weren’t many who do. Of course, they were all middle class and higher. The poor and illegals looking for a hand out are loyal to anyone who will give them a hand out.
I’d welcome any international observers to oversee our electoral process.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
I said I didn’t have proof, but there are many ways to skew election results and South America has a rich, proud history of doing just that. It’s just a sense, as I have never met a Venezuelan who actually liked Chavez and assured me there weren’t many who do. Of course, they were all middle class and higher. The poor and illegals looking for a hand out are loyal to anyone who will give them a hand out. [/quote]
Go around the slums of Caracas and see if you find a single person opposed to him. In case you didn’t know, the bulk of people in S.A. are poor.
The Venezuelans I know are mainly students and are in totality pro-Chavez. They say that he’s a menace to democracy, but that it’s still better than having a puppet of Washington who engorges big business while starving the poor.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I believe Pat is from Cuba. He knows a little about scumbag dictators and rigged elections.
I’m from Morocco. Fidel is an amateur in comparison.[/quote]
I am not Cuban I am actually Canadian, both my parents are from communists countries from which they escaped; narrowly. I do have lots of stories on how oppressive regimes had affected my family. But I won’t get into them, I have before.
I’d hardly call Fidel an amateur, he’s a natural born expert. The suffering that cock sucker has caused in the last 40 years is admirable. I have my party planned out for the day he kicks the bucket too. It’s gonna be something, Cuba libre’s all around!
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I said I didn’t have proof, but there are many ways to skew election results and South America has a rich, proud history of doing just that. It’s just a sense, as I have never met a Venezuelan who actually liked Chavez and assured me there weren’t many who do. Of course, they were all middle class and higher. The poor and illegals looking for a hand out are loyal to anyone who will give them a hand out.
Go around the slums of Caracas and see if you find a single person opposed to him. In case you didn’t know, the bulk of people in S.A. are poor.
The Venezuelans I know are mainly students and are in totality pro-Chavez. They say that he’s a menace to democracy, but that it’s still better than having a puppet of Washington who engorges big business while starving the poor.
I’d welcome any international observers to oversee our electoral process.
Good for you![/quote]
This whole thread is about how Chavez is starving the country. And, how many Venezuelans can you know in Sweden and why aren’t they home if they love it so much. The U.S. Venezuelan population has swollen quite a bit since Chavez took over.
There is no fucking way I’d ever traverse the slums of Caracas, on purpose, unless I wanted to commit suicide. Hell the “good” parts are dangerous enough.
This whole thread is about how Chavez is starving the country. And, how many Venezuelans can you know in Sweden and why aren’t they home if they love it so much. The U.S. Venezuelan population has swollen quite a bit since Chavez took over.
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I also wondered how he can know these people. Doesn’t seem like there would be many poor Venezuelans in Sweden.
[quote]lixy wrote:
They say that he’s a menace to democracy, but that it’s still better than having a puppet of Washington who engorges big business while starving the poor.[/quote]
Huh? It’s ok if Chavez starves us, but not ok if Washington starves us? THEY ARE STILL STARVING !