well if you need junk food, as i sometimes do, you could try pork rinds… they really aren’t THAT bad and no carbs…just a suggestion
Why do you insist on making this harder on yourself than it needs to be? You’re saying you enjoy getting most of your daily calories from shakes just so you can indulge yourself with crap like Doritos (you ate 590 calories from potato chips alone!) and ice cream cones? I’m not sure how you could possibly enjoy always feeling hungry. Man, I hate being hungry!
Eat some real food, and you won’t be as hungry. Not to mention your nutritional profile will improve dramatically by introducing some meat & veggies & nuts & good carbs, which will only further enhance your results – both in fat loss and potential muscle growth. You’ll also learn dietary habits which are sustainable for the long-term, especially if you ever decide to enter a gaining-phase following this diet/loss-phase.
I HIGHLY recommend you purchase the Troponin Nutrition Macronutrient Guidebook from Elitefts.com - http://www.flexcart.com/memberS/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=370&pid=2945 . It only costs $10, and you download it as a PDF file directly to your computer. It’s a quick read, no more than a half hour, but the book will teach you many basic principles about nutrition. You don’t even necessarily need to apply the carb cyclying approach; the book still holds value.
Good luck in your endeavors, and have a little more faith in your abilities and will power. One day soon you may realize how much more enjoyable it is to eat meat & veggies than protein shakes & chips.
When I did cheat and ate over 8000 calories using real food (father’s birthday Sept. 3rd), I was still hungry. Not as hungry as I am currently, but still hungry nonetheless. I am not a competitive eater or anything like that, but the foods I enjoy are VERY calorically dense (junk food) and it can add up very fast. I dislike, almost hate steak, chicken, turkey and most fish. I only like hamburger in fast food burgers and filet-o-fish type of fish. That does limit my protein sources somewhat. (I wish I was more like my brother who can eat any type of protein like nobody’s business).
Thanks for the Troponin suggestion kylec72, but I already purchased every book and dvd that Justin and Shelby put out so far. It is not a lack of knowledge or resources that prevents me from eating the proper way. It is that I know myself and know I would cheat like crazy if I did other approaches, because a sense of overwhelming deprivation always sets in. Right now, I do not feel deprived because conceptually, I KNOW that I can eat virtually ANYTHING I want, at anytime, as long as I meet my protein and caloric limits. That fact somehow just makes it easier to bear with anything, including hunger.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
When I did cheat and ate over 8000 calories using real food (father’s birthday Sept. 3rd), I was still hungry. Not as hungry as I am currently, but still hungry nonetheless. I am not a competitive eater or anything like that, but the foods I enjoy are VERY calorically dense (junk food) and it can add up very fast. I dislike, almost hate steak, chicken, turkey and most fish. I only like hamburger in fast food burgers and filet-o-fish type of fish. That does limit my protein sources somewhat. (I wish I was more like my brother who can eat any type of protein like nobody’s business).
Thanks for the Troponin suggestion kylec72, but I already purchased every book and dvd that Justin and Shelby put out so far. It is not a lack of knowledge or resources that prevents me from eating the proper way. It is that I know myself and know I would cheat like crazy if I did other approaches, because a sense of overwhelming deprivation always sets in. Right now, I do not feel deprived because conceptually, I KNOW that I can eat virtually ANYTHING I want, at anytime, as long as I meet my protein and caloric limits. That fact somehow just makes it easier to bear with anything, including hunger.
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Hey, what you’re doing is working for you… but really? You lack that much self control that you can’t even eat a chicken breast?
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hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Hey, what you’re doing is working for you… but really? You lack that much self control that you can’t even eat a chicken breast?
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Yes, unfortunately the last time I ate healthy chicken and/or tuna from the can (not together but separately), I threw up. I really do not like most sources of good protein unless it is HEAVILY coated in teriyaki sauce - steak/beef or heavily floured/deep fried/garliced - fish. I AM that much of a wuss and that is why it is so easy for me to drink shakes instead. One positive is that I am drinking what Dante of DC used to drink before he started his own company, and not a cheap whey protein.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Hey, what you’re doing is working for you… but really? You lack that much self control that you can’t even eat a chicken breast?
Yes, unfortunately the last time I ate healthy chicken and/or tuna (not together but separately), I threw up. I really do not like most sources of good protein unless it is HEAVILY coated in teriyaki sauce - steak/beef or heavily floured/deep fried/garliced - fish. I AM that much of a wuss and that is why it is so easy for me to drink shakes instead. One positive is that I am drinking what Dante of DC used to drink before he started his own company, and not a cheap whey protein.
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Hmm, whatever works for you.
You know, V-Diet is intended for short bursts of dieting. Using whey as 80% of your protein for, like, a year might not be advisable.
Day 231 of diet 9/23/09 Wednesday.
Meal 1
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
101g grapes - 70
212g tomato - 38
4 omega oil caps - 36
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Cup Noodle w/ shrimp - 330
Nature Valley trail mix bar - 140
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Afternoon cardio:
1 hour treadmill at 3.0 mph and 10.0 incline.
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
118g banana - 105
169g nectarine - 74
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Leg/hip workout
- db RDLs 25x10, 45x10, 65x8, 85x8, 105x8, 125x10
- bb good morning 45x10, 95x8, 135x8,10
- single leg curl 30x12, 50x10, 70x5
- roman chair sit ups b.w. x 10,6,6,5
- seated calf raises 45x10, 70x8, 90x8
Meal 5
2 scoops banana Metabolic Drive - 220 cals
70g frozen blueberries - 35
210g frozen strawberries - 75
105g banana - 93
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Meal 6
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100 cals
257g microwaved potato - 257
2 Kraft single cheese - 120
14g bacon crumbles - 70
4 Flameout - 52
FitDay macros:
Protein 358.4 (48%)
Carbs 280.2 (36%)
Fiber 29.7
Fats 52.2 (16%)
Total calories 2956.
Week 33 measurements vs. week 32 measurements.
Weight 192.5 lbs (-1.0 lbs) I think I will be under 190lbs in about 3 weeks 
I feel so small, it is depressing, but it is what it is.
Waist normal 35" (-0.25")
Waist vacuum 32" (-0.25")
Waist push out 36.5" (0") No change
Day 232 of diet 9/24/09 Thursday.
Meal 1
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
105g grapes - 72
85g kiwi - 52
207g tomato - 37
4 omega oil caps - 36
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Cup Noodles w/ shrimp - 330
Macadamia Roca - 68
Milky Way - 80
Nature Valley trail mix bar - 140
Nature Valley PB bar - 170
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Rice Krispies treat - 90
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Back/rowing workout
- HS iso lateral row 90x12, 180x10, 270x8, 360x6, 450x8, 540x12
- seated v-bar row 200x8, 250x6, 16
- face pulls 75x10, 100x10, 125x10, 150x12
- cable pull overs 75x10, 100x10, 125x10, 150x10
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
111g banana - 99
182g nectarine - 80
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Meal 5
1 scoop whey protein - 130 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
Klondike ice cream bar - 250
2 Flameout - 26
FitDay Macros:
Protein 339.1 (46%)
Carbs 257.9 (34%)
Fiber 22.8
Fats 65.6 (20%)
Total calories 2900 on the nose. I should tighten up a little bit more, since I have to lower my caloric limits by 100 calories starting from tomorrow 
Time to lower my caloric limits again (every Friday). At least 300g of Protein per day +
3100 cals when exercising 2 hours or more per day and
2800 cals all other days.
Day 233 of diet 9/25/09 Friday.
Meal 1
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
102g grapes - 70
209g tomatoes - 38
143g broccoli - 40
4 omega oil caps - 36
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
2 slice wheat bread - 120
Skippy creamy PB - 190
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
2 slice wheat bread - 120
Skippy creamy PB - 190
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Shoulder workout
- standing bb mil press 45x25, 65x15, 95x8, 115x6, 135x10
- collar bb single arm press 25x10, 50x8, 75x6, 100x4
- HS shrug machine 180x10, 360x10, 540x10, 630x10,10
- db rear laterals 40x8, 60x8, 80x6
- seated db laterals 25x8, 35x8, 45x8
Meal 5
2 scoops banana Metabolic Drive - 220 cals
210g frozen strawberries - 75
70g frozen blueberries - 35
89g banana - 79
122g pineapple - 70
4 salmon oil caps - 40
FitDay macros:
Protein 334.8 (53%)
Carbs 181.2 (28%)
Fiber 34.0
Fats 54.9 (20%)
Total calories 2463. Ate a little less in anticipation of tomorrow’s Jack in the Box meal.
Day 234 of diet 9/26/09 Saturday.
Fasted afternoon cardio:
1 hour treadmill at 3.0 mph and 10.0 incline.
Meal 1 (Cost for the meal $11.70 - rip off and still can’t come close to McDonald’s food)
Jack in the Box Bacon Ultimate Cheeseburger - 972 cals
Jack in the Box Sourdough Jack - 671
Small diet Coke - 0
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
100g broccoli - 28
100g onions - 32
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Leg workout
- box squats 45x3, 65x3, 95x3, 115x3, 135x3, 155x3, 185x3, 205x3, 225x3, 245x2, 225x3, 245x2, 225x5
- leg extensions 90x10, 150x10, 195x10, 240x10
- straight leg sit ups b.w. x 10,10 10lbs x7,7
- standing calf raises 105x10, 210x10, 300x10, 405x8
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
92g banana - 82
122g pineapple - 70
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Meal 5
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
4 Flame Out - 52
FitDay macros:
Protein 333.0 (44%)
Carbs 159.6 (21%)
Fiber 15.6
Fats 119.3 (35%)
Total calories 3047.
You’re killin me with this fast food dawg. Just one of these days have like 4 cans of tuna or mad chicken breast and throw in some spinach or mixed greens. Your macronutrient profile may be similar to the velocity diet, but you’re failing to take into account the increased levels of sodium, cholesterol, trans fat, etc.
You’ve come a long way but you can really take it to the next level with some better meal choices. The point of the V diet is to ween you off of fast food and settle you into a healthy eating regimen after a month of shakes and supplements.
Next week Saturday I am planning on Wendy’s Baconator and double stack. After that, I will definitely decrease it in either the amount (only 1 burger not 2) or just altogether. It is getting harder to fit it in with my decreasing caloric limits.
I am not worried about sodium, but cholesterol, trans fats, etc… does concern me a little. Like I said, fast food will be decreased after next week Saturday.
I’ve noticed that when I eat a lot of fried food, salty food, and starches, it makes me crave those foods even more. I made the mistake of going to Popeyes about 6 weeks ago, and since then I have been back 4 more times (before that, i went over a year without eating junk food). I’m fixated on Popeyes lately. And besides the cravings that eating junk food causes, every time you say ‘yes’ it makes it harder to say no the next time.
Reading your thread, I notice that you regularly eat a lot of food just for the taste alone (pickles, Dorritos) and I know that would make a diet plan harder for me. And by the way, high carb foods can stimulate your appetite (they do for me). That’s why you can eat 8000 calories, and say you still feel hungry.
Anyway, IMO the best thing is to have a healthy eating plan that you can live with, and not a calorie-restrictive diet that you go back and forth on. Maybe a strict diet sometimes, but then return to a healthy eating plan after that. It doesn’t seem like you have a totally healthy eating plan, even though you track your calories (you eat candy, chips etc). It doesnt seem like you cook very much.
One of the tricks IMO is to learn some good tasty recipes that fall withing your eating guidelines. I know Berardi has a cookbook (and an eating plan) - maybe that is an option.
I know you’re not asking for comments in this thread, but I wanted to express my thoughts anyway, because I can see some similarities between us.
Day 235 of diet 9/27/09 Sunday.
Meal 1
2 scoops banana Metabolic Drive - 220 cals
210g frozen strawberries - 75
70g frozen blueberries - 35
136g banana - 121
122g pineapple - 70
5g L-leucine
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
176g pear - 102
215g tomato - 39
4 omega oil caps - 36
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Hoo Roo Rook noodles - 300
Drumstick vanilla ice cream cone - 290
4 salmon oil caps - 40
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Back/vertical workout
- pull ups (various grips) b.w. x 102 reps
Meal 5
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
10 Nutter Butter wafer squares - 320
4 Flame out - 52
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
FitDay macros:
Protein 305.2 (44%)
Carbs 269.7 (38%)
Fiber 29.1
Fats 56.2 (18%)
Total calories 2740.
The reason I am doing the diet this way is because it is beginning to feel more like a lifestyle, rather than a diet. I do not have as much of an urge to binge on any specific junk food anymore, because I know that I can eat anything. No food is off limits for me as long as I keep my macros and caloric limits in mind. If I want to eat ice cream, oreos, nutter butter cookies, cake, donuts, chips, it does not matter. I can eat it, just in limited amounts - “moderation”.
I liken this to Netflix. For example I want to watch X-Men Origins: Wolverine movie, but I have to wait for my queue. I can do this with any type of junk food, I just make sure I fit it in within the context of my caloric limits and there is no problem. The one negative is that this is not optimal. I am sure I would get faster and better results if I do not include cheat foods, but then my compliance to the diet would be the problem. With what I am doing right now, I am not having any issues with compliance or consistency.
It is getting easier, even with lower caloric limits because I do not feel “deprived”, that there is something I “need” to eat but can’t because of my diet type of feeling. I know this is just psycho-babble mumble, but it is just psychologically easier for me knowing I am not restricted in what I want to eat for the most part, just in the amount.
Day 236 of diet 9/28/09 Monday.
Meal 1
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
1 scoop vanilla Metabolic Drive - 100
145g nectarine - 64
240g tomatoes - 43
106g broccoli - 30
102g eggplant - 36
4 omega oil caps - 36
Meal 2
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
Cup Noodles - 330
wheat bread - 120
Skippy PB - 190
Nature Valley PB bar - 170
Fun sized candy:
Almond Joy - 80
Kit Kat - 67
Snickers - 80
Meal 3
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
Chest workout
- seated HS bench press - 50x25, 90x15, 140x8, 180x5, 250x5
- seated HS incline press - 90x8, 180x8, 270x5, 320x4 drop 270x4, 180x8
- db flyes 27.5 x 51
- bb JM press 45x12, 55x10, 65x10, 95x8, 105x6
Meal 4
2 scoops whey protein - 260 cals
195g microwaved potato - 195
Kraft singles cheese - 60
bacon crumbles - 70
4 Flameout - 52
5g creatine
5g L-leucine
FitDay macros:
Protein 310.9 (44%)
Carbs 223.9 (31%)
Fiber 29.5
Fats 78.0 (25%)
Total calories 2762.
lol, dude this thread has been kinda entertaining. I gotta give it to you; you’ve done a great job with hitting your kcal/day and macros. I just don’t know how you get by eating junk food. Honestly, that shit doesn’t fill me up. I could eat nature valley bars and almond joys all day long and still be hungry…
Sounds to me like you don’t need a diet but a psychiatrist…
I think he’s crazy like a fox.
The determination to fill out the log consistently with his workouts is something I admired about this blog. He did lose a bunch of weight and if he did change his food habit, he prolly could be competing. That wasn’t the point of the log though. If I recall, he wanted to lose the weight while eating what he wanted.
Did I get a bit frustrated at the junk in the food log? Yep. My hope is that he does incorporate more healthy foods not for looks but for health.