Vegetarians

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Can you, um, read? Just curious…


You said that you used Pearl as an example, and I’m saying (now for the second time) that he’s a freak and therefore should not be used as an example. If you think that what works for Pearl will work for the average human, please say so explicitly so we can all have a good laugh.


You also said that bit about vegetarianism not being “bad for muscular development”, when my whole point (I’ll write it here again too, just to help you out) is that it’s not good for development, although it may work for maintenance. Is that too much for you to follow? Or are you simply not clear on the concept of “development”? (Newsflash: Bronx Bomber starts up his own muscle rag, to be titled Muscular Maintenance…)


I admit that I’m not clear on the vegan/vegetarian distinction. Feel free to enlighten me. But for the rest of the post, I don’t think I’m the one who’s failing miserably in his “argument”.


Deek.

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LIVE AND LET LIVE…Remember, there’s room for everybody on this planet; even pussyass vegans! If everyone were like us T-men, the world would indeed be boring. Plus, there’d be fewer people to simply laugh at, instead of getting mad at.

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We are kidding ourselves in a huge way if we think we are getting the same benefits from the grain fed meat we buy today as we would from pasture fed meat eaten 150+ years ago. It is NOT the same meat. Guess what? There are measurable amounts estrogen in our meat from the hormones they give them as much as the dreaded soybean and the like. Also health conscious people see the benefits of cutting back on grains as a way to control blood sugar and lose fat but thats exactly the reason cattle is fed grain - to get fat - so our meat isn’t as lean as we’d like to think. If you want benefits from eating meat, eat pasture fed organic meat, not the hormone laden factory kind. It doesn’t taste the same (I think it’s better)but it’s all about the health benefits…right?

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Bronx Bomer, I am superior.
Iscariot, I have been hoping that you would pop your democratic head out of the sludge. Please come on over to the thread, “democrats are bad people.” I have no idea what you meant by the fairies comment in your post. On second thought, it is probably some democratic code words. It probably actually means, “Hey, we are democrats. We only obey the law when we feel like it.”

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150g of fibre a day? Man, I WISH I could. I would be king of the toilet. During the Growth Surge Project, I clogged the thing twice over two weeks (polishes nails on shirt). But, 150g? Whew. BTW: I think the main reason they didn’t develop late-onset diseases is that there was no “late” in their lives. Er, maybe. I don’t really know.

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“VEGITARIAN is Indian word for LOUSY HUNTER”
Really, how much of that meat do you hunt yourself. You must be hunting all the time if you and your employees eat your “bodywieght in grams of flesh each day.”
I can see why you want your employees to have the drive of a meat eater. Thier whole day must consist of hunting thier own animals.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with eating meat, its the process I have a problem with. If I kill an animal myself I would eat it, but if that animal lived its whole life in a tiny pen, then went to a slaughterhouse where it suffered for a long time before it finally died, then it was shipped to my store where I can conviniently buy it, then I think it is wrong. There is nothing macho or t-man like about that process.
I know I could have a couple pounds more muscle if I ate meat, but the fact that my existence causes less suffering is more important to me than my physique.

Peace to all my fellow vegetarians, meat eaters and animals.

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Dear Mr Fluffy



Actually I’ve been busy, novel concept for a liberal I know, but shrugs you get that I guess.



Whilst I am sure your estemmed levels of literacy you hold actually allowed you to understand the humorous comparison I was actually making, I’ll humour you: there is a similar veracity to vegetarians being turned gay as there is to fairies at the bottom of the garden you can substitute elves if you think fairies is some horrible, mincing coincidence



BTW: Me Democratic?? God no, I’m a liberal/ anarchist [political meaning of anarchism] not a democrat. I am fully in favour of a benign dictatorship. [And I am not touching that Demoncrat’s >:) are bad argument with a barge pole…



I must admit tho, I worry for Dubbya’s rectal health and all, what with being a glove puppet for the far right and military lobbies bait

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Come on, Iscariot. That thread is tailor made for you and I to have a debate.
Second, I think your analogies are really rather clever.
Finally, you need to come on over to the “bad democrats” thread and we can debate Dubya’s rectal health.

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That’s funny char, cause I was gonna ask you the same thing. Actually, I’d like to know if you have a functioning thought process, hairy chinned penis smuggler.

For one, you go on to say “let’s set the record straight” and post the wrong info. And obviously your heated cause I called you a deek, but maybe you should have taken a minute to cool off, cause you just made yourself seem an idiot with that post (and I know your not). I wasn’t trying to “argue” with you teste breath. But since you seem to be all knowing, here is the distinction between vegan and Vegetarian. There is such a thing as Lacto-ovo vegetarianism, which means the inclusion of dairy and eggs. I am posting it again because I believe you are the one missing something. So tell me, when was it that milk and eggs only became muscle maintenance food? And, my vision impaired friend, pearl was not the only person I mentioned. I also stated that I do not follow a vegetarian lifestyle but that it can be used for gaining muscle mass, if done properly. Oh, and by the way, in the latest issue of my magazine, there’s an article you should read. It’s called how to get the stick out of your ass in three easy steps.

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I dont know about you guys but if I don’t eat a varied diet consiting of a lot of varied protein sources I get angry and depressed and can’t build nearly as fast. Amino acids are the building block of life. Yes carbon is the element of life, but without easy access aminos found in meat we couldn’t grow nor maintain our brain mass. Yes I said brain mass… as we developed, our protein intake increased to accomadate our ever evolving powerhouse brains. We were chimps people… then we moved on to much more carnivores traits and probably would still be chimp like if we hadn’t. Carbs have a lot to do with mass production, no dout. But I agree- processed sugars and grains are less a part of our genentic diet than meat is. Yet these are the new staples. And most likely, yes vegetarians did exist throughout human evolution. But only because they had no choice! These people probably lived in areas where game was scarce as well as fish. These people would have been smaller and would have lived shorter lives because of lack of strength and stamina.

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Have you ever seen what happens when a vegan gets a cut, wound, or some sort of serious gash on their body? There blood is goopy and chunky, and you want to know why? The reason why is because they lack iron and proteins in their body for their body to produce enzymes, tissues, and stuff like that. Personally, its what they want to do and hopefully they will come around. Oh yeah, I work with a vegetarian and she is always sick, and she can’t figure it out. I tell her that she isn’t eating enough protein, but she just gives me that look and then I turn away. Hey its her body and decision.

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I’ve been vegetarian for 10 years almost and have been actually ill one time in that whole time span, and it had more to do with a consistently awful sleeping schedule than my diet. Additionally, I tend to stay around 185-200lbs at about 10-14% bodyfat. No, its not going to impress any bodybuilders, but given that I don’t look to do bodybuilding - who cares? Mike Mahler is also vegetarian (vegan?), and is probably in better shape than a lot of the people who post about how important meat is to a healthy diet.

There are a lot of meat eaters with similar body comps who get sick much more often, get hurt longer and more frequently, get worse grades, and make stupid decisions. I realize that eating meat may have its positive side, but feel that the negatives (particularly in a mass manufacturing/consuming culture) far outweigh this for my personal code of life.

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Man, it’s funny: the more you post the stupider you make yourself look. No facts, just name-calling. Nice. (And wasn’t there supposed to be something for Iscariot in your last screed?)


But hey, don’t stop on my account. By all means, please continue to embarrass yourself in front of the Forum as much as you like.


cd: Feeding Bronx Bomber the stick out of his ass since 2002.

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wow, all that for a half ass response and an unwitty tag line (how do you feed someone something out of their ass?). No facts? I didn’t explain to you the difference vegan and vegetarian? Why no response on why you consider Milk and eggs only Muscle maintenance food? Not a whole lot of brain power on your end,is there? Ick, I can’t believe I wasted my time on someone with the iq of bounty paper towels. What facts were you looking for? That your an idiot? Just look at your posts. That you can build an impressive build on a vegetarian diet? Well, obviously you don’t like Pearl, but what about Steve Holt? I would use Mike Mahler, but I believe he’s always been big. Did you want me to run off a list? Well I won’t cause I didn’t care that much about the subject till you reared your short bus helmeted head into your ass and the conversation. I guess I’ll stop now as this is no longer thread specific.

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Okay, you want me to make you look stupid in front of the entire forum? Fine. Here we go, point by point:


“wow, all that for a half ass response and an unwitty tag line (how do you feed someone something out of their ass?).” It’s pretty easy when your lips are plastered to my rectum. (Aside to the Forum: Bronx actually had surgery to have his nose removed and his jaw elongated so that he can get a better “seal” on people’s asses. He now bears a striking resemblance to a baboon.)


“No facts? I didn’t explain to you the difference vegan and vegetarian?” No, you didn’t. You (sort of) explained the difference between vegan and lacto-ovo vegetarian, but then I already knew that. I was looking for the difference between vegan and vegetarian, not vegan and lacto-ovo vegetarian. And I’m still looking.


“Why no response on why you consider Milk and eggs only Muscle maintenance food?” Because I have yet to meet or read about anyone who’s built an impressive physique using ONLY milk and eggs. This Steve Holt guy you talked about may well be a counter-example. Has he been eating in a meatless manner since he began bodybuilding? I wouldn’t know because I’ve never heard of him outside of this thread. Regardless, there is ample evidence that one can maintain a physique on a vegan (any type) diet. And as I said in my original response to you, I am open to the idea of counter examples.


“…you go on to say “let’s set the record straight” and post the wrong info.” Really? Which info have I posted that was wrong? Examples, please.


“Not a whole lot of brain power on your end,is there? Ick, I can’t believe I wasted my time on someone with the iq of bounty paper towels. What facts were you looking for? That your an idiot?”

I may be an idiot, but I’m still ahead of you in that I can spell, capitalize and punctuate correctly. I guess that makes you less than an idiot…or an illiterate idiot…or something very low on the intellectual food chain. Brain plankton, maybe.


“Well, obviously you don’t like Pearl, but what about Steve Holt?” I like Pearl fine. I just don’t believe that he’s a good example to hold up when talking about BUILDING a physique on a veggie (lacto-ovo or otherwise) diet. As for Steve Holt, see above.


“I would use Mike Mahler, but I believe he’s always been big.” At last, a semblance of cognitive function. Hey folks, Bronx is alive!!!


“Did you want me to run off a list?” Please do. Let’s hear about all the world-class physiques that have been built, from day one, without any type of meat.


And if it’s not too much of a strain for you, see if you can do it without resorting to name-calling. It’ll make you seem a little classier.

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What do vegetarians eat when they cheat? MEAT!

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Steve Holts’ website:

http://ksteveh.tripod.com/ bodybuilderphotos1/index.html

Gotta go with Char dawg on this one, you can build an OK phsyique on an ovo/lacto diet, but not a great one.

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Ko, thanks for the URL. Having taken a look at it, I have to say that Steve Holt’s physique is pretty much what I expected. He looks very good - great, in fact - for your man on the street, but wouldn’t have a chance in a bodybuilding competition of any real size.


Still, it sounds like he’s just starting out in competition, so it’ll be interesting to see how much his physique improves in the next few years.

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Okay, Ko showed me Holt’s site. I agree. You know, this guy wouldn’t do well at the NPC drug-tested shows in Oregon. This opinion of mine is based on the level of competition I’ve witnessed in Oregon - and even in Washington. Did someone here actually say this guy is the best Natural Competitor in the US? Say what?!

p>All in all, so as not to thoroughly hijack this thread: if you’re a vegan. Great - than be a vegan. If you are a through and through carnivore - than fine. I don’t say anything to vegetarians or vegans about their choice of diet. I believe in “to each their own” - and that’s pretty much it.

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He was held up by one [char-dawg struggles mightily to avoid the use of an inflammatory adjective here] person as an example of what vegetarian bb’ing can do for you. This was as an alternative to Bill Pearl.


(I won’t make any further comments on the matter here.)


I think, though, that in fairness to Mr. Holt, it should be noted that “veggie” bb’ing and “natural” bb’ing are not one and the same. The two shouldn’t be confused/conflated. Holt would probably do well in an all-vegan competition…