Hey guys, first my stats: 5'9", 200lbs. B4 I start, I know what you guys gonna say bout running 2 orals but I made up my mind, I have read up on it and the consesus seems to be as long as I keep it under 8 weeks, I should be ok since this will be a 6 wk cycle i plan on running.
My question is that I have 250 (10mg) tabs of Var and 100 (10mg) tabs of tbol. the Var I plan on running 60mg ed for 6 weeks. As far as the tbol, is it better to run it 30mg ed for the first 4 wks and then just 10mg ed the last 2 weeks or just 30mg for the first 4.5 weeks and the Var alone the last 1.5 weeks.
I would rather do the second scenario but read somewhere that Var can affect libido so just wanted to use the Tbol at last 2 weeks for libido purpose. I couldnt get anymore tbol either. Yes, i plan on running PCT 16 hours after last dose of Var wit nolvadex, milk thistle and a test booster (can u recommemnd a good test booster, have tried test diesel, its OK).
And FYI, I have never used either one. I chose these 2 for obvious reasons: lean, dry gains, lower sides as far as AASs go, strength, and Var having some fat burning effects. All this with a good diet and workout plan of course.
I think the libido concept won’t prove correct for you. The only situations that make sense to me for oxandrolone to reduce libido are if dose is high enough to pretty much fully suppress natural testosterone production, in which case estrogen levels will drop below normal, which is the real cause of low libido in these cases.
Or (not likelym but possible) from the dose being so high as to enter the range where for some, too much androgen reduces libido although more modest, yet still supraphysiological levels provide an enhancement.
Oral Turinabol would help in neither of these cases.
Why not just divide it up fairly equally: 6 weeks = 42 days so 6 tabs per day of the oxandrolone and usually 2 tabs per day of the OT, with 16 days available where you can take 3 tabs.
I would not be surprised if you put estrogen levels into the toilet with this program. Low-dose HCG (in the range of say 700-1500 IU total per week, divided into at least 3 injections per week and more preferably 7) would solve that, as would low dose Dianabol, e.g. 5 mg 2 or 3x/day.
Tbol works well. Tbol + var works about equally as well.
I agree with what Bill Roberts said.
Me personally though, a lot of people consider T-Bol and Anavar to be very similar in desirable effects, so using both of them, to me, is kind of silly. Alas, to each their own.
Biotest’s TRIBEX is a good, natural T-Booster in my experience.
Why don’t you run the Milk-Thistle during your cycle and after? Use it consistently before, during, and after your oral run and you will be fine, that is how I would use it if it were me.
I personally am going to run Anavar with D-Bol some day, I really like the idea of a higher dose anavar, with a lower-moderate dose of dianabol. Say 60-80mgs of var and anywhere from 15-35mgs of dianabol per day.
wow Bill, didnt know these 2 would suppress me like that, like I’ve said, never used these too before. but I have read stuff on this site and others and only heard of the Var doing that, but like u said in doses of 100mg ed or more. Didn’t know the T-bol would do that, especially at the dosages I’m taking them at as I have seen ppl use 2-3 times as much. Will do the plan u said of splitting it some days 2 pill and some 3, prolly 3 on my work out days…
So my libido will be total shit then with this then, anything else I can run with it besides a test base or HCG? And for the test booster, will try out the TRIBEX, thanks…
And i also read in numerous areas that milk thistle during cycle reduces the potency of orals and other meds by that matter, is this true?
Replace either with low dose dbol and the libido problems will likely not be a problem.
I have plans to run a dbol/var cycle at some point. But the price of var always turns me off because I’d like to run 60mg/d for 6 weeks.
[quote]esco0101 wrote:
And i also read in numerous areas that milk thistle during cycle reduces the potency of orals and other meds by that matter, is this true?[/quote]
I really doubt the veracity of that, but it’s probably not entirely impossible that there might be some very, very small effect on potency. I’ve never seen any published work that has suggested such a result, nor have I noticed a decline in dbol potency, but hey, you never know.
The whole point of using a compound like milk thistle or liv52 etc… is to protect the liver, so it only makes sense to take it during the period when you’re exposing your liver to the methylated cpds, rather than take it for a few weeks after the fact.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Replace either with low dose dbol and the libido problems will likely not be a problem.
I have plans to run a dbol/var cycle at some point. But the price of var always turns me off because I’d like to run 60mg/d for 6 weeks. [/quote]
Well, kinda ran away from dbol to get away from the water retention but I’m a lil confused, if dbol and tbol are in the same family, why will one shut ur libido down and the other wont?
Lack of estrogen from TBOL. A friend tried Tbol only for a couple weeks and like it. Then tried Var alone and thought it was a waste and it messed with his cholesterol values. He then tried a tbol + var and liked it, but not anymore than a tbol cycle. Tbol and dbol was his favorite oral only.