Looking to do a strictly oral cycle. Have done a inject cycle b4 but didnt like the everyday pins, I did test-prop and proviron for 10 weeks. I know, cyp is less frequent pins but read that the longer esthers bulk u up more than prop and not lookin for that. Plus, wanna try something new, still new to this “lifestyle” and lookin to see what I like.
Don’t get me wrong, the prop gave me some of my best sessions in the gym. Im 5’9", 190lbs. Have never done either of these 2 but have read good things. Not looking to bulk so thats why I picked these two. I know that orals can hit the liver but have read that in low/moderate doses, these 2 are the safer/safest ones.
I plan on wk 1-8 Var 30mg/ed and wk 1-6 Tbol 20mg/ed. Im guessing I dont need an anti-aromatase since there is no estrogen conversion during cycle but is PCT required? I ask b/c have read more than not that it is not necessary, especially for an 8wk cycle. If it is, for how long and what would u recommend (nolva, clomid, hcg, etc)? Thanks…
PCT is certainly necessary. Standard PCT works.
That dose of Var is garbage. It’s about half of what I’d recommend to see results.
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And if you want to do an oral only cycle you need to read about class I class II synergy.
Garbage? So the .3mgxyour kg weight is no good that I’ve been reading about? Obviously, I know more is better, to a certain extent, I read as much as 100mg/ed but a)thats expensive as hell and b)read that side effects come out more after 40-50mg/ed. This is going by Bill Roberts and others. But I hear you Bone. Would u prefer Nolva or Clomid?
I will look into the synergy effects of both types of AAS classes, hopefully on this site. I been on here for a couple of months now and I know u guys are pretty hardcore so I take into account input here as much as the MDs that read on other sites/books. Like I said, this will be my 2nd cycle s still learning…thanks…
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
PCT is certainly necessary. Standard PCT works.
That dose of Var is garbage. It’s about half of what I’d recommend to see results.
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And if you want to do an oral only cycle you need to read about class I class II synergy. [/quote]
Garbage? So the .3mgxyour kg weight is no good that I’ve been reading about? Obviously, I know more is better, to a certain extent, I read as much as 100mg/ed but a)thats expensive as hell and b)read that side effects come out more after 40-50mg/ed. This is going by Bill Roberts and others. But I hear you Bone. Would u prefer Nolva or Clomid? I will look into the synergy effects of both types of AAS classes, hopefully on this site. I been on here for a couple of months now and I know u guys are pretty hardcore so I take into account input here as much as the MDs that read on other sites/books. Like I said, this will be my 2nd cycle s still learning…thanks…
I’d recommend 60mg of Var for 6 weeks with Dbol 40mg for 6 weeks. But that’s just me.
Read what Bill Roberts wrote about Class I Class II over at Mesomorphosis.
And yes Var is expensive which is why it would be a shame to waste 1.6g of it by using 30mg a day. If money is an issue I wouldn’t go with Var at all.
Yeah, just saw it, Var being a class 1 and Tbol being a 2, these will go good together helping with gains from 2 different angles. I’ll prolly up it to 40mg with the Var then, but worried about libido, although I know the T-bol will help with that.
Also read that keeping doses under 50 will allow u to do a longer cycle (8-10 wks) to reduce stress on liver along with keeping the gains better after cessation of the cycle.
Staying away from the Dbol due to the water retention, acne, etc. Not trying to bulk as what dbol will do, especially at 60mg. Tbol is Dbol without those sides, or atleast not as harsh. But u are not the first to say that 30mg of Var is light so I’ll up it just a bit. If it did nothing, Ill be the first to tell u that u were right, thanks bro for the info…
I would not recommend running any methylated steroid for 10 weeks. 8 weeks is pushing it. I certainly would not use 2 methyls for 8 weeks.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I would not recommend running any methylated steroid for 10 weeks. 8 weeks is pushing it. I certainly would not use 2 methyls for 8 weeks. [/quote]
Even if both will be a total of 60mg/ed? The cycle u were telling me was twice as much ED nd only 2 weeks less.
Im figuring high dosage (even with shorter length) has to be a factor in toxicity…but definitely not doin more than 8…
High dose for shorter duration tends to be more productive than low dose for a longer duration. Yes I recommended 2 weeks less. 10 weeks is only two weeks more than 8 and 12 is only two weeks more than 10. See where I’m going wit that?
Will you drop dead from running 2 methyls for 8 weeks? Probably not. If you have a completely healthy liver you may be fine.
Comparing the total dose of the two drugs is not a good idea either. Drugs have different potency. Many people run 100mg of anadrol + 50mg of winstrol per day for 6 weeks. That’s 150mg total. Something much more potent e.g methyltest or halotestin is typically run around 10mg per day for a few weeks. Big difference.
I recommended 60mg of Var per day and 40mg of dbol per day. Both of those doses are quite safe for a healthy person who doesn’t drink for 6 weeks.