Buuut…
I could give you a rough map of the female mind…
And you could get weed…
Theoretically…
I know what I did, but I am not entirely sure that would work for someone else?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
[/quote]
Oh, enlightened one, please tell us how twisting your own perception somehow reveals the thoughts and feelings of over half of the worlds population!
Maybe we can test it on those sharp cliffs of reality.
[/quote]
If I could put it into an abstract reality, drugs would not be needed.
I can only answer with a quote that a girl named Regina told me at the age of 16, reality is not something to be understood but to be experienced.
I can give you a rough map of the female mind, but that is meaningless unless you do not have a rough idea what it feels like.
Weed makes me think less and feel more, hence I think more like a woman.
Dont like it?
Lick my nutsack.
Be thorough.[/quote]
Abstract reality, or the abstraction of reality?
[quote]orion wrote:
Buuut…
I could give you a rough map of the female mind…
And you could get weed…
Theoretically…
I know what I did, but I am not entirely sure that would work for someone else?
[/quote]
It wouldn’t work.
I like to walk in the woods and explore what is there. If you take a map into the woods and follow it to what you think should be there you will only find that the map you are looking at is not for the woods that you are in.
You will miss the forest and the trees.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
[/quote]
Oh, enlightened one, please tell us how twisting your own perception somehow reveals the thoughts and feelings of over half of the worlds population!
Maybe we can test it on those sharp cliffs of reality.
[/quote]
If I could put it into an abstract reality, drugs would not be needed.
I can only answer with a quote that a girl named Regina told me at the age of 16, reality is not something to be understood but to be experienced.
I can give you a rough map of the female mind, but that is meaningless unless you do not have a rough idea what it feels like.
Weed makes me think less and feel more, hence I think more like a woman.
Dont like it?
Lick my nutsack.
Be thorough.[/quote]
Abstract reality, or the abstraction of reality?
[/quote]
Irrelevant in this case because women live in a social reality where they are the emtional center.
Which, indeed, would be the reasom for female sollipsism.
You cannot think your way into their reality, you have to feel your way into it.
Weed helps, I swearedth thusly.
So, your sophistry is meaningless when it comes to the topic at hand, it is a conscious effort of an e-peen measurig contest and I will readily admitt that yours is soooooooooooo much bigger because I could not care less.
BTW, me not being able to care less is not alpha…
Just saying.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Buuut…
I could give you a rough map of the female mind…
And you could get weed…
Theoretically…
I know what I did, but I am not entirely sure that would work for someone else?
[/quote]
It wouldn’t work.
I like to walk in the woods and explore what is there. If you take a map into the woods and follow it to what you think should be there you will only find that the map you are looking at is not for the woods that you are in.
You will miss the forest and the trees.
[/quote]
Yeees…
I agree…
But for me, seeing the map makes it possible to feel it?
With a little chemical help and whatnot?
You would have to find your own way?
[quote]orion wrote:
You would have to find your own way?[/quote]
Exactly. Its what I consider a gastalt experience of a natural environment rather than trying to know what it is before it happens.
Cuz women are people too.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You would have to find your own way?[/quote]
Exactly. Its what I consider a gastalt experience of a natural environment rather than trying to know what it is before it happens.
Cuz women are people too.
[/quote]
Yeah…
But that does not only make them unique, which is what I think you want to emphasize, it also makes them predictable.
Because they are people, female people at that, first.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Unless by “curves” you mean…I don’t know…heavy? [/quote]
Nope. Not to be mean, but it just looks like straight lines in that photo.
Now that I think about it, I think you posted a mirror reflection once, and I DID see curves…
Anyway, the photo just surprised me a bit.
PS: “Minimizing bras?” That’s just plain mean! 
[/quote]
But imagine the delightful surprise awaiting the man who takes the time to answer all my questions about his work and his family (extended of course), his views on gender roles, which is his favorite plucky underdog movie, and etc.
[/quote]
Well, before I would submit to this, consider this:
…[/quote]
But you view it all as a system of gains and losses and not everyone does. Many people think it’s pretty good fun to sit with me over a glass of wine or a beer and talk about the merits of Rocky vs. Unforgiven or to talk about how they spend their days and hear about some of the goofy shit that happens in my gig. Not everyone is looking to score as quickly as possible so they can get back home to their computers to start working up the next score on OKC.
You also imagine that these are tests I’m administering to find out if he’s beta enough to put up with my shit. Maybe, but I don’t think so. I really just want to get to know him. I ask questions of almost everyone I meet and most people like me very well, both women and men. In fact, people pay (or their insurance does) to talk to me. I’m THAT good at it. So it’s not a matter of who does the submitting. Ideally everyone does so, happily. In the same way that my sexual submission is ultimately as rewarding for me as for him, submitting to the questions of a lively and interested woman is to his gain, not loss.
Everyone CAN win, orion. It is possible. But you have to play a different kind of game.
[/quote]
No.
There is a price we will not pay, there is a point beyond which they must not advance.
You can frame that whichever way you like, in the most charming of ways, but my line is right there and you see it.
Step over it, I dare you.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You would have to find your own way?[/quote]
Exactly. Its what I consider a gastalt experience of a natural environment rather than trying to know what it is before it happens.
Cuz women are people too.
[/quote]
Yeah…
But that does not only make them unique, which is what I think you want to emphasize, it also makes them predictable.
Because they are people, female people at that, first.[/quote]
Here’s an analogy based on an actual event-
I was up in the northern forest of Pennsylvania with my wife hiking and fishing. I wanted some mushrooms for our breakfast omelets. So I started trekking up along a deer path into the canopy of hardwood. The mushrooms I was looking for are very fragrant and you can smell them way before you ever see them. I catch a good whiff of them before I even entered the clearing, and as I pushed through some brush I came out right on top of a mother black bear and two cubs (they were after the same cluster of sulfur shelf that I was). Scared the shit out of them and myself. They ran off and away, and I went over to the fallen trunk and grabbed a couple of hands full of the mushrooms, then hauled ass back to the cabin. Then I whipped up a batch of the best damn omelets with sauteed mushrooms I’ve ever had.
My ass could have gotten torn the hell up by that bear, but bears are just as much a part of that forest as everything else. But with the willingness to take the risk, a little knowledge, and trust in my instincts yielded something that turned out very good.
Similarly, there is no way I could have known that I would marry and have a beautiful son with the woman I met 9 years ago, but if I was afraid of forming the relationship that I have with her, you could guarantee that I would have neither.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Oh please. I don’t think very many people in the world would question that I know there are other perceptions than my own.
[/quote]
That is trivial.
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?
Swell, how shall I put this, you are an amateur, you have put nothing into this, you have risked nothing, you have not tested your theories on the sharp cliffs of reality, you just have an opinion.
Either, you get in the ring, or you GTFO.
What else is there?[/quote]
I’m a woman and yet you are completely closed to my emotional reality, which I have been describing in some fairly excruciating detail. Weed? Okay, so…having done similar “sessions” should I assume that I know how all men think and feel, then argue with you that YOU don’t know? Hahaha.
[quote]In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?[/quote]
In comparison, I woke up Friday morning in the arms of someone I like and respect, who was telling me love things. I don’t need to lecture him about manning up. He does that for himself, as I “woman up” for me, with him as a secondary beneficiary. If we didn’t like the other’s frame, we wouldn’t be in the relationship.
The sharp cliffs of reality are found in a nightclub in the city? hahaha
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Oh please. I don’t think very many people in the world would question that I know there are other perceptions than my own.
[/quote]
That is trivial.
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?
Swell, how shall I put this, you are an amateur, you have put nothing into this, you have risked nothing, you have not tested your theories on the sharp cliffs of reality, you just have an opinion.
Either, you get in the ring, or you GTFO.
What else is there?[/quote]
I’m a woman and yet you are completely closed to my emotional reality, which I have been describing in some fairly excruciating detail. Weed? Okay, so…having done similar “sessions” should I assume that I know how all men think and feel, then argue with you that YOU don’t know? Hahaha.
[quote]In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?[/quote]
In comparison, I woke up Friday morning in the arms of someone I like and respect, who was telling me love things. I don’t need to lecture him about manning up. He does that for himself, as I “woman up” for me, with him as a secondary beneficiary. If we didn’t like the other’s frame, we wouldn’t be in the relationship.
The sharp cliffs of reality are found in a nightclub in the city? hahaha[/quote]
See, you are at somewhat of a disadvantage here, while I can dull my reasoning skills, I doubt that you can dull your emotions to let reason run supreme.
While I can indeed get at least a glimpse at the female reality, you do do not really have the choice in the opposite direction.
Then, in whose arms you woke up with is of no importance to me, that it is yours to choose how long this will be so, is.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Oh please. I don’t think very many people in the world would question that I know there are other perceptions than my own.
[/quote]
That is trivial.
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?
Swell, how shall I put this, you are an amateur, you have put nothing into this, you have risked nothing, you have not tested your theories on the sharp cliffs of reality, you just have an opinion.
Either, you get in the ring, or you GTFO.
What else is there?[/quote]
I’m a woman and yet you are completely closed to my emotional reality, which I have been describing in some fairly excruciating detail. Weed? Okay, so…having done similar “sessions” should I assume that I know how all men think and feel, then argue with you that YOU don’t know? Hahaha.
[quote]In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?[/quote]
In comparison, I woke up Friday morning in the arms of someone I like and respect, who was telling me love things. I don’t need to lecture him about manning up. He does that for himself, as I “woman up” for me, with him as a secondary beneficiary. If we didn’t like the other’s frame, we wouldn’t be in the relationship.
The sharp cliffs of reality are found in a nightclub in the city? hahaha[/quote]
See, you are at somewhat of a disadvantage here, while I can dull my reasoning skills, I doubt that you can dull your emotions to let reason run supreme.
While I can indeed get at least a glimpse at the female reality, you do do not really have the choice in the opposite direction.
Then, in whose arms you woke up with is of no importance to me, that it is yours to choose how long this will be so, is. [/quote]
What is important to ME is that my way works, while yours does not. Reason? Emotion? I don’t know, orion, there are two people in my reality and only one of us is female, yet we seem to be on the exact same page.
In your reality there is only you. You have to behave in prescribed ways in order to achieve carefully considered outcomes, which are in place to prevent you having to deal with consequences you very much fear.
I fear only disappointment, and I know that my boyfriend feels the same way. We’ve had enough experience of one another to trust that nothing more sinister will happen. We’ve both been married to people who are more or less deserving of continued trust, and who continue to trust each of us. All of us have complaints, but I don’t think any of the four of us feel as you do about people you HAVEN’T gotten divorced from.
It’s laughable to me that you consider yourself less emotional and more rational than me. I see you as a quivering mess of childish terror and suspicion, frankly. While my passion and mushy feeling for my boyfriend are emotion-based, my trust in him is based on evaluations of his actions and background. His behavior toward me, his family, and the community suggests to me trustworthiness. We’re also “good on paper,” which is to say we’re well matched as a couple. Educationally, financially, and socially, with careers that compliment one another. And very importantly, as Derek pointed out, our kinks seem to line up.
I’m the farthest thing from emotion-driven, and despite your masculinity and efforts at mind expansion through weed and 'shroom sessions, “reason” is not your strong suit.
So ah… How did the weekend play, no sex with the hot relative thing work out?
Better than us assholes expected I assume.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So ah… How did the weekend play, no sex with the hot relative thing work out?
Better than us assholes expected I assume.[/quote]
It was perfect.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Oh please. I don’t think very many people in the world would question that I know there are other perceptions than my own.
[/quote]
That is trivial.
I had sessions of high weed and shrooms consumption just so that I could not only think but feel the female emotional reality.
In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?
Swell, how shall I put this, you are an amateur, you have put nothing into this, you have risked nothing, you have not tested your theories on the sharp cliffs of reality, you just have an opinion.
Either, you get in the ring, or you GTFO.
What else is there?[/quote]
I’m a woman and yet you are completely closed to my emotional reality, which I have been describing in some fairly excruciating detail. Weed? Okay, so…having done similar “sessions” should I assume that I know how all men think and feel, then argue with you that YOU don’t know? Hahaha.
[quote]In comparison, you did what?
Lecture men that they should “man up” and accept your frame?[/quote]
In comparison, I woke up Friday morning in the arms of someone I like and respect, who was telling me love things. I don’t need to lecture him about manning up. He does that for himself, as I “woman up” for me, with him as a secondary beneficiary. If we didn’t like the other’s frame, we wouldn’t be in the relationship.
The sharp cliffs of reality are found in a nightclub in the city? hahaha[/quote]
See, you are at somewhat of a disadvantage here, while I can dull my reasoning skills, I doubt that you can dull your emotions to let reason run supreme.
While I can indeed get at least a glimpse at the female reality, you do do not really have the choice in the opposite direction.
Then, in whose arms you woke up with is of no importance to me, that it is yours to choose how long this will be so, is. [/quote]
What is important to ME is that my way works, while yours does not. Reason? Emotion? I don’t know, orion, there are two people in my reality and only one of us is female, yet we seem to be on the exact same page.
In your reality there is only you. You have to behave in prescribed ways in order to achieve carefully considered outcomes, which are in place to prevent you having to deal with consequences you very much fear.
I fear only disappointment, and I know that my boyfriend feels the same way. We’ve had enough experience of one another to trust that nothing more sinister will happen. We’ve both been married to people who are more or less deserving of continued trust, and who continue to trust each of us. All of us have complaints, but I don’t think any of the four of us feel as you do about people you HAVEN’T gotten divorced from.
It’s laughable to me that you consider yourself less emotional and more rational than me. I see you as a quivering mess of childish terror and suspicion, frankly. While my passion and mushy feeling for my boyfriend are emotion-based, my trust in him is based on evaluations of his actions and background. His behavior toward me, his family, and the community suggests to me trustworthiness. We’re also “good on paper,” which is to say we’re well matched as a couple. Educationally, financially, and socially, with careers that compliment one another. And very importantly, as Derek pointed out, our kinks seem to line up.
I’m the farthest thing from emotion-driven, and despite your masculinity and efforts at mind expansion through weed and 'shroom sessions, “reason” is not your strong suit.[/quote]
What you see me as is irrelevant.
What you wish for is irrelevant.
I know that in your reality things will just magically turn out the way you want them to be.
In mine, I have to work for it.
Which is why I dont accept yours, you grown up, mature, cock hopping adult you.
Sorry, you want, committment?
Here is an idea, committ.
If you can jump ship whenever “your heart tells you to” there will be no fuckin ship.
And if that means that we would be at each others throats (which we would not be)…
… good.
This whole stuff is nonsense really, so, you have instincts and wish them to be universal and eternal?
Here, have a tiara.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So ah… How did the weekend play, no sex with the hot relative thing work out?
Better than us assholes expected I assume.[/quote]
It was perfect. :)[/quote]
Happy for you, and thank you for being a good sport. Once you told us your plans the reaction was golden. I laughed quite a few times.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So ah… How did the weekend play, no sex with the hot relative thing work out?
Better than us assholes expected I assume.[/quote]
It was perfect. :)[/quote]
Happy for you, and thank you for being a good sport. Once you told us your plans the reaction was golden. I laughed quite a few times. [/quote]
x10
It’s been nice having you around, lately.
And, thanks for humoring me with my nosey question. I just kind of wanted to compare your experience with mine and see if it was similar. And, it is… for the most part.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I just kind of wanted to compare your experience with mine and see if it was similar. And, it is… for the most part.
[/quote]
So of course, now I’M curious, because no one is nosier than me. What differences have you noted? Are they differences in perception (my female pov vs. your male) or more concrete differences?