Vaccines Are An Attack

Nutrition
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[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
You realize Merck VOLUNTARILY withdrew vioxx from the market, without the FDA forcing them to? That resulted in about a 2 billion dollar loss for them. Yeah all those pharma companies are soooo evil and greedy! Give me a break[/quote]

They removed it “voluntarily” after hundreds of Lawsuits came against them from people suffering strokes.
Which was in Merck’s “studies”, but that info was withheld from the FDA, and OH YEAH, we had info to suggest that.

With your logic, you need more than a break!

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You probably think Morgellon’s disease is real, too, don’t you?

Wake up. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Allopathic medicine is certainly not the be-all-end-all, but it definitely does a damn good job. Just because someone happens to make money doesn’t make it inherently evil, wrong, or done with ulterior motives. And the bullshit you read on naturalnews.com, things published by that asshat “Dr.” Mercola, and HuffPo medicine tend to be just that: bullshit.

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Autism rates are increasing because it is a newly recognized disease process (relatively). Some people see rates increasing in a condition which, by definition, has to have objective signs at age three and say “what do all these kids have in common? CHILDHOOD VACCINATION!”. An understanding of biostatistics is useful here as one may realize that an entity which is only recently widely known and more easily diagnosed may lead to an increased incidence without increased prevalence.

I mean really, look at Desiree Jennings. While there is much objective data to support vaccines efficacy (such as the near-eradication of many previously widespread diseases) there is hardly any objective data to suggest that these preventative measures are harmful on a large scale (disregarding injection site pain, etc.) Imo this is very akin to those conspiracy theorists on the Discovery Channel whose default statement is: IF I don’t like the explanation, THEN aliens

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[quote]mezcal wrote:
There are two things most vaccine-doubters/pharma-conspirators say:

  1. Vaccines cause autism or ___________ (autism being the most common)

False. The gentleman who published that research article in the BMJ 20 years ago has since been stripped of his medical license and is facing legal consequences for entirely fabricating his “groundbreaking” study that “proved” vaccines cause autism. Furthermore, due to its inability to be reproduced, the study has also been struck from the record retroactively from the BMJ; something that almost never happens outright.

  1. Well, all of these problems could just be prevented if people just practiced proper hygeine and nutrition!

Also false. Someone stated earlier “oh well 2/3 of Europe survived the plague, SEE HOW AWESOME OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS?” Unfortunately for this fellow, he has the figure wrong. In fact, nearly 2/3 of Europeans DIED, not lived (60%). In any event, my favorite are the folks who cite things like statins and blood pressure medications and say people should eat a healthy diet instead of taking these pills. You’re right to a certain extent, but guess what? Every time an obese person with coronary artery disease comes to the doctors office, we tell them to lose weight, eat a healthy diet, and stop smoking. NO. ONE. LISTENS. These drugs are there as our only recourse to aid a population who just does not give a shit about their health, not because the pharmaceutical industry is forcing us to prescribe them. Do you think people become 300 lbs, get COPD, and 75% stenosis of their coronary arteries overnight? No, it’s a lifetime of awful, awful lifestyle choices that they refuse to change. We have no other remedy. If you can force people to listen, god bless you.

Naturopaths are all the same. And it’s truly dangerous that because they call themselves doctors that people will perceive their claims as legitimate.[/quote]

Excellent post.

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[quote]Erasmus wrote:

[quote]Consul wrote:

[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
It appears that the author of that piece is unaware that the entire goddamn point of vaccination is to take advantage of the “natural fact that when challenged by infectious agents the humoral arm of our immune system launches a successful response capable of conferring lasting immunity.”

Pro tip: alternative medicine is bullshit. If it worked, it’d be called medicine. [/quote]

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I love that video, although I think Tim Minchin overestimates doctors.
A lot of docs are not as scientifically openminded as described.
Almost every time I start to talk about solutions that are not part of the normal treatment algorithm/procedure I get looked at funny or explained that they only look at evidence-based therapies. Then when I present them with the evidence they tend to ignore it or brush it off.
This has happened so many times now it’s not funny anymore.
I guess it’s because when a general practitioner or a family doctor in the Netherlands does something different then the “norm” i.e. the ‘standard procedure’ of the dutch family doctor association they can get punished or reprimanded by either the association or the insurance companies.

Don’t get me wrong, I think pharmaceuticals are great! Medicine rocks and is better and more advanced then at any point in history.
I just think a lot of really good views and therapies (a lot of them can be labeled “natural” like lifestyle change or things like taking natural antioxidants or reservatrol,…) are overlooked and branded as “alternative bullshit”.

For acute emergency medicine hospitals are awesome, but I’d prefer to see a different kind of doctor when it comes to chronic disease like type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease or just overall health.
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I’m glad we share an appreciation of Tim Minchin’s work.

I think good doctors are open to assessing the evidence for unconventional therapies. If there is evidence for their efficacy, or they at least do no harm, then I think it is reasonable to support the patient’s decision to try these therapies. Sometimes, this is impractical, as there are strict treatment guidelines in place, and, if a doctor works for a practice or hospital, they have to comply with local guidelines.

I think the doctor-patient relationship should be a partnership that seeks to give the patient the best holistic treatment.

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The Deadly Impossibility of Herd Immunity Through Vaccination

by Russell Blaylock, M.D.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/18/the-deadly-impossibility-of-herd-immunity-through-vaccination-by-dr-russell-blaylock/

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[quote]Erasmus wrote:

For acute emergency medicine hospitals are awesome, but I’d prefer to see a different kind of doctor when it comes to chronic disease like type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease or just overall health.
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100% correct. For “emergency death prevention” (and other “acute” situations, like a broken bone or car crash), the protocols of Conventional Western Medicine are fantastic; they saved my life once. HOWEVER, take those protocols - which work so well IN THAT SITUATION - out of the ER and apply them to long-term health maintenance, and they are not only un-helpful, they are actively harmful.

Whole lotta failure of discernment goin’ on in this thread.

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First, Dr. Blaylock is a known quack. All of his anti-establishment posts revolve around one thing: his attempts at getting you to purchase his “Brain Repair Formula”, that he claims can reverse Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, and other debilitating conditions for which we have no cure. This isn’t a coincidence - he’s preying on the uneducated and collective delusions of people on the internet desperately searching for relief. All of his claims sound wonderful, but I’d challenge you to find any published data in a reputable journal to verify it. You can’t, because it’s all garbage. For more information on that blowhard and a systematic evisceration of his many wild claims, you can go here:

http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

Please explain to me how Western medicine is bad for long-term health maintenance. As I explained previously, we are unable to force anyone to make lifestyle changes, so drugs are our last option. How is taking a statin, something that overtime is going to significantly lower cardiovascular risk, impacting someone in a negative way? Again: obviously exercise and a good diet would be better (or both plus a statin!), but given the choice between doing nothing and taking a pill, I think the decision is easy. Don’t take my word for it, look at any of the innumerable intensive studies published on it. If it didn’t have a palpable clinical benefit, we wouldn’t use it.

The pseudoscience and entirely baseless claims made by a lot of these people are dangerous, especially in the age of the internet where their ill-informed pandering can be easily expressed to the vulnerable masses.

EDIT: In before “durrhurrr pharma companies sponsored all of those studies!!”, that is not factual, and furthermore, we practice evidence-based medicine, and if in practice patients aren’t doing any better with the drug, we don’t use it. Improvement in the clinical setting is something that doctors see personally, and has nothing to do with pharmaceutical corporations.

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[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:

[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
You realize Merck VOLUNTARILY withdrew vioxx from the market, without the FDA forcing them to? That resulted in about a 2 billion dollar loss for them. Yeah all those pharma companies are soooo evil and greedy! Give me a break[/quote]

They removed it “voluntarily” after hundreds of Lawsuits came against them from people suffering strokes.
Which was in Merck’s “studies”, but that info was withheld from the FDA, and OH YEAH, we had info to suggest that.

With your logic, you need more than a break![/quote]

Nope, your facts are wrong. Do some real research and get back to me when you know what really happened. Then we can discuss

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[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
Nope, your facts are wrong. Do some real research and get back to me when you know what really happened. Then we can discuss[/quote]
Hahaha, I could easily have mixed up facts on that one. :slight_smile:
I don’t care, honestly.

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[quote]Consul wrote:

[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
It appears that the author of that piece is unaware that the entire goddamn point of vaccination is to take advantage of the “natural fact that when challenged by infectious agents the humoral arm of our immune system launches a successful response capable of conferring lasting immunity.”

Pro tip: alternative medicine is bullshit. If it worked, it’d be called medicine. [/quote]

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It funny because if you look at the definition of cure, pharmaceuticals and modern medicine fall extremely short of what they could be doing if they embraced a natural cure. Sure they are better at curing broken bones or doing open heart surgery but really look at what they define as being cured. For cancer that is either living 3 years or 5 years after being diagnosed with cancer depending on the study you view (doesn’t matter if you still have it just that you lived that long)

It have been proven that through natural methods this fatty degeneration of every type of cancer, liver, bone, spleen, brain etc. (tumors dissolved without an invasive procedures) has be entirely reversed with subjects living 5, 10, 20, 30 and even 40 years later. Modern Medicine just focuses on either burning and cutting the tumor out, inducing toxins that kill both cancerous cells and regular cells (the ones that when given the proper balance and nutrients kill cancer themselves), or applying huge doses of radiation none of which supply the body with what it needs to heal and correct the imbalance that caused the cancer in the first place.

Not exactly vaccines but you can see how perverted modern medicine can be when approaching a cure since natural cures are inexpensive and can’t be patented. Also look at the fact that there is not one single degree you can obtain and maintain health. All the information is there but it is not profitable. The only degrees that exist are those in the pursuit of curing diseases

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[quote]mezcal wrote:
First, Dr. Blaylock is a known quack. All of his anti-establishment posts revolve around one thing: his attempts at getting you to purchase his “Brain Repair Formula”, that he claims can reverse Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, and other debilitating conditions for which we have no cure. This isn’t a coincidence - he’s preying on the uneducated and collective delusions of people on the internet desperately searching for relief. All of his claims sound wonderful, but I’d challenge you to find any published data in a reputable journal to verify it. You can’t, because it’s all garbage. For more information on that blowhard and a systematic evisceration of his many wild claims, you can go here:

http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

Please explain to me how Western medicine is bad for long-term health maintenance. As I explained previously, we are unable to force anyone to make lifestyle changes, so drugs are our last option. How is taking a statin, something that overtime is going to significantly lower cardiovascular risk, impacting someone in a negative way? Again: obviously exercise and a good diet would be better (or both plus a statin!), but given the choice between doing nothing and taking a pill, I think the decision is easy. Don’t take my word for it, look at any of the innumerable intensive studies published on it. If it didn’t have a palpable clinical benefit, we wouldn’t use it.

The pseudoscience and entirely baseless claims made by a lot of these people are dangerous, especially in the age of the internet where their ill-informed pandering can be easily expressed to the vulnerable masses.

EDIT: In before “durrhurrr pharma companies sponsored all of those studies!!”, that is not factual, and furthermore, we practice evidence-based medicine, and if in practice patients aren’t doing any better with the drug, we don’t use it. Improvement in the clinical setting is something that doctors see personally, and has nothing to do with pharmaceutical corporations.[/quote]

Taking a statin comes down to this. Would you like a chance a a bunch of weird side effect from a toxic substance (all drugs are toxic since they aren’t supposed to be in the body and create ‘side effects’ or disease in there own right) for a supposed ‘benefit’ of lower blood cholesterol which isn’t even proven to lower the risk of heart attack.

We as a society have overdrawn on our public health much like our government has overdrawn on our national debt. But lets keep doing what we are doing and take a cynical view that people can’t change even when they start to see the effect of over drawing on their health loans through bad lifestyle choices. Lets drug them, lie about its effectiveness and make a huge profit while doing nothing to improve public health in the long run. Fatty degenerative diseases will never be cured by modern medicine. Only by food which is ultimately the best medicine as we are made of food, light, air and water. Intake of bad food, polluted light, air, and water, along with the introduction of toxic substances to cure symptoms of our ailments has led to all this cancer and heart disease never seen before 1900

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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]mezcal wrote:
First, Dr. Blaylock is a known quack. All of his anti-establishment posts revolve around one thing: his attempts at getting you to purchase his “Brain Repair Formula”, that he claims can reverse Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, and other debilitating conditions for which we have no cure. This isn’t a coincidence - he’s preying on the uneducated and collective delusions of people on the internet desperately searching for relief. All of his claims sound wonderful, but I’d challenge you to find any published data in a reputable journal to verify it. You can’t, because it’s all garbage. For more information on that blowhard and a systematic evisceration of his many wild claims, you can go here:

http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

Please explain to me how Western medicine is bad for long-term health maintenance. As I explained previously, we are unable to force anyone to make lifestyle changes, so drugs are our last option. How is taking a statin, something that overtime is going to significantly lower cardiovascular risk, impacting someone in a negative way? Again: obviously exercise and a good diet would be better (or both plus a statin!), but given the choice between doing nothing and taking a pill, I think the decision is easy. Don’t take my word for it, look at any of the innumerable intensive studies published on it. If it didn’t have a palpable clinical benefit, we wouldn’t use it.

The pseudoscience and entirely baseless claims made by a lot of these people are dangerous, especially in the age of the internet where their ill-informed pandering can be easily expressed to the vulnerable masses.

EDIT: In before “durrhurrr pharma companies sponsored all of those studies!!”, that is not factual, and furthermore, we practice evidence-based medicine, and if in practice patients aren’t doing any better with the drug, we don’t use it. Improvement in the clinical setting is something that doctors see personally, and has nothing to do with pharmaceutical corporations.[/quote]

Taking a statin comes down to this. Would you like a chance a a bunch of weird side effect from a toxic substance (all drugs are toxic since they aren’t supposed to be in the body and create ‘side effects’ or disease in there own right) for a supposed ‘benefit’ of lower blood cholesterol which isn’t even proven to lower the risk of heart attack.

We as a society have overdrawn on our public health much like our government has overdrawn on our national debt. But lets keep doing what we are doing and take a cynical view that people can’t change even when they start to see the effect of over drawing on their health loans through bad lifestyle choices. Lets drug them, lie about its effectiveness and make a huge profit while doing nothing to improve public health in the long run. Fatty degenerative diseases will never be cured by modern medicine. Only by food which is ultimately the best medicine as we are made of food, light, air and water. Intake of bad food, polluted light, air, and water, along with the introduction of toxic substances to sure symptoms of our ailments has led to all this cancer and heart disease never seen before 1900
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This is honestly the dumbest post I’ve ever read on T-Nation. Congrats.

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[quote]relentless2120 wrote:

This is honestly the dumbest post I’ve ever read on T-Nation. Congrats. [/quote]

The cholesterol hypothesis is a myth. Food, light, clean air, and clean water is the best medicine. Fuck that, lets just fix things with toxic substances, cutting, burning and radiation. If you don’t agree with that you are not looking intelligently at things.

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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]relentless2120 wrote:

This is honestly the dumbest post I’ve ever read on T-Nation. Congrats. [/quote]

The cholesterol hypothesis is a myth. Food, light, clean air, and clean water is the best medicine. Fuck that, lets just fix things with toxic substances, cutting, burning and radiation. If you don’t agree with that you are not looking intelligently at things.[/quote]

So get some sunlight and cure HIV? Clean air for ALS? Good food for ischemic brain injury? Amazing

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My brother popped out of the womb a freak. He was probably the only 5 year old on the planet that turned down candy, looked at nutrional labels, and ate better than 90% of the people on this site do, myself included. He played sports, worked out, and was health freak. Then he woke up one morning with double vision, because he had an epidermoid brain tumor at the cerebellopontine angle. 2 surgeries later and an entire summer of experimental radiation treatment, and the tumor was shrinking and is now essentially gone. But fuck that cutting and poison shit right? My parents just should’ve hooked up a brita and said, don’t worry son, you’ll be better in no time! Fuck off with this dumb shit

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@ElevenMag: Average life expectancy before all these “harmful toxins” in pill form (you know, back BEFORE the “bad food” and high levels of pollution you put so much stock in): ~31 years (~1900)

Avg Life expectancy in 2010 (in an apparent Dante’s Inferno of pollution with just lowly western medicine to protect us): 67 years

Btw: One of the main things Ive learned in these short lived debates is that if anyone uses the word “toxins” in one of their essential points you already know everything you need to know

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How is the word toxic mean I am wrong? If something is not naturally found in the body and once introduced produces side effects it is toxic. Its not supposed to be inside you. The human body has the ability to heal almost every problem we throw drugs at given the proper sources of food light air and water. If we are made of these 4 things and the intake of these things have caused a degeneration then its only logical that rebalancing can reverse these conditions and it have been proven this happens. People have cured there incurable type II diabetes that the pharmaceutical company wants you buying insulin for the rest of your life for. Why the hell would they want you to know you can cure yourself but simply eating the right foods. You really have to think about the money in this industry. In the fortune 500, 10 pharmaceutical companies make more then all the other 490 companies combined

@relentless I already stated if you have something that surgery like broken bones or a emergency situation of a none fatty degenerative tumor like your brothers are better suited to modern medicine. When we are caught in a emergency situation and modern medicine triumphs but doctors in their drug prescribing roles are a detriment, not a asset to out health. We would be much better of with proper foods light air and water as long term problems that come the intake of these are the cause of many health problems we throw drugs at. cancer, type II diabetes, arteriosclerosis, cirrhosis, obesity, smoking etc These are the major killer of the american population. Stop dropping this down to a argument about taking care of benign tumors with surgery

Also, most people overestimate how healthy their diet is

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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
How is the word toxic mean I am wrong? If something is not naturally found in the body and once introduced produces side effects it is toxic. Its not supposed to be inside you. The human body has the ability to heal almost every problem we throw drugs at given the proper sources of food light air and water. If we are made of these 4 things and the intake of these things have caused a degeneration then its only logical that rebalancing can reverse these conditions and it have been proven this happens. People have cured there incurable type II diabetes that the pharmaceutical company wants you buying insulin for the rest of your life for. Why the hell would they want you to know you can cure yourself but simply eating the right foods. You really have to think about the money in this industry. In the fortune 500, 10 pharmaceutical companies make more then all the other 490 companies combined

@relentless I already stated if you have something that surgery like broken bones or a emergency situation of a none fatty degenerative tumor like your brothers are better suited to modern medicine. When we are caught in a emergency situation and modern medicine triumphs but doctors in their drug prescribing roles are a detriment, not a asset to out health. We would be much better of with proper foods light air and water as long term problems that come the intake of these are the cause of many health problems we throw drugs at. cancer, type II diabetes, arteriosclerosis, cirrhosis, obesity, smoking etc These are the major killer of the american population. Stop dropping this down to a argument about taking care of benign tumors with surgery[/quote]

LOL at dropping this down coming from the guy talking about food light and water healing everything. Out of curiosity, how exactly are we made out of light? Was your mom’s hooha that large that the sun shown through while you were developing in the womb?

Oh and where is the proof of clean air and water reversing degenerations…Again, HIV? ALS? ischemia? Show the proof or stop talking out of your ass. And did you really just list smoking as a disease? Wow

Edit: And since you either missed it or ignored it, the tumor wasn’t taken care of with surgery, it was taken care of by POISONZ (GASP) or what is known by those not wearing tinfoil hats as radiation treatment

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Also please address the increased lifespan that bam brought up. How is that possible with all these toxins being pumped into us?