Utterly Stupid Arguments For Prohibition

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I would drive while high, but quite frankly I’m just too lazy when I’m stoned.

Mick, nobody has stated that driving while high would be safer than driving while NOT high. …

I think that was Orion’s claim somewhere.
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No, that was not my claim that is Mick28 straw man in order not to have to defend his position.

Though in the case of young adult males who drive very irresponsibly and recklessly weed seems to scare them so much they actually could be safer drivers.

So, maybe, for small subgroup this is actually true.

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Have any of you guys heard about the mexican drug cartels moving into and kidnapping people in Atlanta. I think it is seriously time to legalize all drugs to eliminate the black market and the violence associated with it. Think about it, do you think sending these drug lords/dealers to jail is hurting them? They can run their operations from behind bars. If you can’t keep drugs out of prison you sure as hell can’t keep them off the streets. [/quote]

Good point.

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Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Though I think it an be especially for cancer, aids and muscle dystrophy victims.[/quote]

To be fair, that’s more for the symptoms associated with the wasting effects. A real cure would be anabolic steroids.

But that’s not to say it shouldn’t be available.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Though in the case of young adult males who drive very irresponsibly and recklessly weed seems to scare them so much they actually could be safer drivers.

So, maybe, for small subgroup this is actually true.[/quote]

Do you even read the reports you post or do you get them from some hippy website all pre-highlighted?

“However, younger drug-using drivers showed increased risks compared to their peers”.

Again the studies don’t show much. Often they use enough to get non pot users stoned but not the amount that a lot of my friends smoke. It is like a study testing people having had 2 standard drinks. I can drive well on 2 standard drinks. Doesn’t mean that drink driving isn’t a problem. Where are the studies done with very heavy usage?

Not to mention the contradicting results between studies.

Not to mention the lack of studies.

Sure smoking weed isn’t THAT bad for you. Probably no worse than alcohol. So it should be legalised. However to claim that you can drive better than a non-stoned driver is just silly. And to claim that cigarettes are worse for you is also silly.

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I’m not suggesting driving high. And I think it’s a ridiculous statement that people drive better high. That is unquesionably NOT true. But it is not dangerous to the same degree as driving drunk. Drunk drivers speed through red lights. Stoned drivers slow down through green ones. And use their turn signals a lot. Anyhow, as someone said, there are laws against driving intoxicated. The same people that drive high would drive high if it was legal. The ones who wouldn’t drive high now wouldn’t drive high if it was legal.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I would drive while high, but quite frankly I’m just too lazy when I’m stoned.

Mick, nobody has stated that driving while high would be safer than driving while NOT high. …

I think that was Orion’s claim somewhere.

You have a good memory Zap here it is:

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Plus, there are studies, well at least there is one, that some people actually drive better while being moderately stoned.

And…I’m still waiting for the austrian idiot to produce some proof to back it up.

Maybe I shouldn’t wait too long huh?[/quote]

No, because I am not a lying pussy like you.

Here you go:

UK: Cannabis May Make You A Safer Driver
by Jonathon Carr-Brown, (13 Aug 2000)

Times United Kingdom
TAKING the high road may not be so dangerous after all. Ministers are set to be embarrassed by government-funded research which shows that driving under the influence of drugs makes motorists more cautious and has a limited impact on their risk of crashing.

In the study, conducted by the Transport Research Laboratory, grade A cannabis specially imported from America was given to 15 regular users. The doped-up drivers were then put through four weeks of tests on driving simulators to gauge reaction times and awareness.

Regular smokers were used because previous tests in America using first-timers resulted in the volunteers falling over and feeling ill. The laboratory found its guinea pigs through what it described as a “snowballing technique” - one known user was asked to find another after being promised anonymity and exemption from prosecution agreed with the Home Office.

Instead of proving that drug-taking while driving increased the risk of accidents, researchers found that the mellowing effects of cannabis made drivers more cautious and so less likely to drive dangerously.

Although the cannabis affected reaction time in regular users, its effects appear to be substantially less dangerous than fatigue or drinking. Research by the Australian Drugs Foundation found that cannabis was the only drug tested that decreased the relative risk of having an accident.

The findings will embarrass ministers at the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions ( DETR ) who commissioned the study after pressure from motoring organisations and anti-drug campaigners. Lord Whitty, the transport minister, will receive the report later this month.

Last week police revealed details of new drug-driving tests to be administered by the roadside, which were received with some amusement. They require suspected drug-drivers to stand on one leg, lean back and touch their nose with their eyes closed, and to count to 30 silently with their eyes shut. This is apparently difficult for those on a drug trip.

The advertising company McCann-Erickson has already prepared a television campaign using Pulp’s song Sorted for Es and Whizz, the slogan “Never drive on drugs” and the pay-off line “then you come down”.

However, if the findings are less than frightening on the effects of marijuana, they may convince ministers to put more money into raising driver awareness of fatigue. Tiredness is now blamed for causing 10% of all fatal accidents, compared with 6% for alcohol and 3% for drugs.

A low-key radio campaign will be launched tomorrow warning drivers to take breaks.

The report’s surprising conclusions will not sway organisations such as the RAC, which believes there is incontrovertible evidence that drug-driving is a growing menace. DETR statistics published in January showed a six-fold increase in the number of people found to be driving with drugs in their system after fatal road accidents. The figure jumped from 3% in 1989 to 18%.

Dr Rob Tunbridge, the report’s author, refused to reveal his findings before they were published but said: “If you were to ask me to rank them in order of priority, fatigue is the worst killer, followed by alcohol, and drugs follow way behind in third.”

Tunbridge admitted that the effect of drugs differed with the individual, the amount taken, the environment they were taken in and the point at which you tested reactions.

Cocaine users are known to be alert drivers when they first take the drug, but then they have a tendency to fall asleep at the wheel. The particular problem with cannabis is that it stays in a person’s system for up to 30 hours but its effects wear off within a few hours.

http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1161/a02.html

BTW, after having posted a dozen links or so, could you finally start to show some evidence that you do not simply pull the things you post of your own ass?

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[quote]phaethon wrote:
orion wrote:
Though in the case of young adult males who drive very irresponsibly and recklessly weed seems to scare them so much they actually could be safer drivers.

So, maybe, for small subgroup this is actually true.

Do you even read the reports you post or do you get them from some hippy website all pre-highlighted?

“However, younger drug-using drivers showed increased risks compared to their peers”.

Again the studies don’t show much. Often they use enough to get non pot users stoned but not the amount that a lot of my friends smoke. It is like a study testing people having had 2 standard drinks. I can drive well on 2 standard drinks. Doesn’t mean that drink driving isn’t a problem. Where are the studies done with very heavy usage?

Not to mention the contradicting results between studies.

Not to mention the lack of studies.

Sure smoking weed isn’t THAT bad for you. Probably no worse than alcohol. So it should be legalised. However to claim that you can drive better than a non-stoned driver is just silly. And to claim that cigarettes are worse for you is also silly.[/quote]

Exactly the drivers that show a higher risk, “benefit” from cannabis if you want to call it that.

That does not make them good drivers and they still are worse drivers than the average person, they just drive waayyyy more cautious when stoned, which makes them less of a danger and therefore better drivers.

Not good drivers, but better than they otherwise would be.

And that was all I suggested, that it was true for some people.

And yes, I read my links. Have you?

I mean beyond the things that support the things you want to believe.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Exactly the drivers that show a higher risk, “benefit” from cannabis if you want to call it that.

That does not make them good drivers and they still are worse drivers than the average person, they just drive waayyyy more cautious when stoned, which makes them less of a danger and therefore better drivers.

Not good drivers, but better than they otherwise would be.

And that was all I suggested, that it was true for some people.

And yes, I read my links. Have you?

I mean beyond the things that support the things you want to believe.

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What part of the whole “younger drug-using drivers showed increased risks compared to their peers” don’t you understand? I will dumb it down for you. Their peers in this case are non-drug using younger drivers.

The study I quoted (and that you used in support of your position) showed that weed makes younger drivers drive a lot worse. The study even goes into possible reasons.

You may have read your links but you don’t understand them. You also don’t understand the way they perform the studies so you have no idea what they mean.

There are studies that show drunk drivers drive better. We know this is false and yet people use the exact same reasoning you do; that since they know they are drunk they drive more cautiously.

The difference between weed and alcohol is that drink driving has been studied much more thoroughly.

Listen I want weed to be legal but you are a fool for thinking it makes people drive better. And you are a wanker if you drive stoned.

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Not that I agree with driving stoned but the gov’t lets this guy do it in the video. Wait till about 4 minutes in. Very educational video

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

If pot were legalized you don’t think more people would be driving high…idiot?

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Actually, it doesn’t appear that way -

[i]“Another question remains: does legalization equate with increased use? Not really. To the Dutch, the easy availability of cannabis has eliminated much of its appeal.”

“Since 1976, this little country of 15.5-million has been the world’s biggest experiment in decriminalizing marijuana and its close cousin, hashish. The coffee shops reflect what the Dutch see as a fact of life: Most young people experiment with illegal substances. If you let them buy and use “soft” drugs in a regulated setting, you can keep them away from street dealers pushing highly addictive “hard” drugs like heroin. The approach appears to be working. According to the United Nations, 5.2 percent of Dutch 12 and older had used marijuana or hashish in the past year – less than half the 12.3 percent rate in the United States.” (Martin, St. Petersburg Times, July 30, 2001.)[/i]

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Not that I agree with driving stoned but the gov’t lets this guy do it in the video. Wait till about 4 minutes in. Very educational video

- YouTube [/quote]

Good post

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Wow Mick28, you really suck balls. All you’ve done is blatantly lie in 2 threads over and over again.

I’m pretty fucking sure orion’s main point is that driving while high is not “THAT BAD.”

He said plenty of times that smoking cannabis does impair people but compared it to rates of impairment from medicinal drugs and showed that people compensate for their impairment by trying to drive much more carefully.

He didn’t say the end result was that the drivers performed better while high just that they were not nearly as bad you think they are.

I remember him possibly saying a study did show people had better results while driving high but it was not his main point.

You really are a little bitch. You cried like a little baby over and over again in another thread and then when he asked you to back up your statements you said he was hijacking the thread even though you telling him that constantly was just as bad. You could have just made your argument in that thread and ended it there but you didn’t have the balls so you told him to make another where everyone could specifically attack him for you.

You said he should make the title “people drive better while high” but he didn’t because that wasn’t his point. In conclusion, choke on a dick and learn to troll better because you just suck.

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[quote]nothingclever wrote:
He didn’t say the end result was that the drivers performed better while high just that they were not nearly as bad you think they are.
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You are wrong he did say they were better drivers. Multiple times.

[quote]nothingclever wrote:
I remember him possibly saying a study did show people had better results while driving high but it was not his main point.
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Lad you sound addled. Listen this is the internet where everything is written down. If you can’t quite remember what he said you can go and have a look. It will still be there. Unless your short term memory is fried from weed and you can’t remember long enough to write your response :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]nothingclever wrote:
You really are a little bitch. You cried like a little baby over and over again in another thread [/quote]

Easy mate.