Yes it should last as long as you are using it. No doubt but long term use has its own downsides and one must assess their own risk/reward. But stating ‘it heals’ is just incorrect. @unreal24278 Your own situation is a unique one and the majority of men hopping on this drug with no need is growing by the day. Thanks Defy.
Defy prescribed this…
Hold my beer… booking my plane ticket (kidding, can’t afford that… or deca in general as I still haven’t received a supposed refund that I’m supposed to get any day now… supposedly…)
Will be able to afford it in a few weeks now though that I’m making money
Defy rampantly prescribes this… yup. So does the clinic I used to go which prescribed it to me. I’m one of the unlucky ones to have a bad experience. I’m certainly not touting my experience as the norm either. Its probably not. But I still feel that HRT docs should be medically responsible as I also believe most of their clients don’t know how to advocate for themselves and don’t understand the risks. I could give you two clinics in FL that prescribe it. Typically you won’t get more than 200mg/wk though.
200mg deca/wk ON TOP of my prescribed trt… that’s 350mg/wk… I’ve never taken that much before for longer than say 5 wks, I’d make mad gainz and be pain free UNDER A DOCTORS PRESCRIPTION!!!
Obviously there’s more to this, I wouldn’t use that much deca (higher dose increases risk, it’s about the minimum effective dose for therapeutic effect for me regarding this particular substance)
I’m still deciding, it’ll take me a while
There is no pituitary down regulation with IPAM as opposed to using GH or Semorelin. The peptide stimulates your own secretion - similar to how Clomid does to send the signal to produce more Testosterone.
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I’m not sure I’m getting what you are saying - is that you are recommending never taking it due to risks - the same is true with any drug.
A few other clarifications to my original post:
Keeping the Deca under your TRT dose (or in 1:1) is said to help prevent ED - deca dick.
There are thousands of HIV patents taking 100-200mg / wk for decades to prevent muscle wasting. Obviously I can’t speak to their health - but I do not see the harm in adding a low dose cycle - like 100mg or less to TRT.
My own experience was great. There are also some docs out there other than Defy or clinics that add it for aging men for pain mgt, inflammation, helping reverse metabolic syndrome, etc. (you can YouTube this).
I said that most of my pain was gone 3 months post cycle. For me, this was a huge win. I have had more sports injuries to joints and connective tissue than a lot of men my age. Plus, the 80mg helped lean me out, lowered my insulin - with no hit to lipids or BP (I do take a statin btw). And, perhaps this is coincidental, but my creatinine was the lowest it’s been in 3 years after the cycle.
So, for me, I see mostly benefits. Others mileage may vary.
Would be curious to know your experience and dose. Defy is very conservative from my experience. I had to submit 20 years of orthopedic medical records, been a patient for two years, try other compounds first ( TRT / IPM) and evening then the dose was 80 mg with a 12 week limit. I know other clinics will give Deca straight away to clients upwards of 200 mg / wk. perhaps your experience was dose related?
This is exactly where its medically acceptable to use. I guess I should clarify as this is a pharma forum. What I’m saying now and have said in the past is that its NOT an HRT drug. In my opinion its irresponsible for HRT clinics to prescribe it… period. If you want to use a drug for off label use because of its benefits than to each their own. Some of what you continue to post is still incorrect such as …
Yes its said, but its said incorrectly.
No it isn’t, there’s no evidence to suggest this… Deca dick is induced by neurological alteration imposed by the drug itself, not the ratio of deca/test. The DHT/DHN displacement is bioscience as DHT has a higher affinity for the AR, and for the AR to be fully saturated you’d have to take such an exorbitant amount…
True, but I’m fairly sure they cycle on/off… though Nelson Vergel used nonstop for a decade (said the only perceived side effect… his heart is fine… was that HDL would drop, there was nothing he could do to correct it)
Interestingly there is a study to suggest within men (used 300mg for 6 wk, I’ll post it soon) that nandrolone may enhance/improve overall insulin sensitivity. My endocrinologist was telling me how bad drugs like deca/var were for insulin sensitivity, I was like “wellllll… and dropped the printed out study on the doctors table”. I wasn’t asking for deca, we were just talking about it casually.
Problem is, this doesn’t appear to be the case anymore, it appears DEFY is starting to rampantly prescribe nandrolone for anything…
For clairfication, neither is anavar or winstrol (some clinics are prescribing these apparently). Only AAS approved for HRT in the US are testosterone, halotestin (fluoxymesterone) and methyltesttosterone. The latter two are very old school, test is far more efficient long term.
I have a buddy whose also a member here that was asked if he wanted it after being on TRT for less than 6 months.
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I WANT IT DAMMIT (on script)
what was he offered it for?
@dextermorgan Yup that’s seems to be the new standard. I wish I were making this stuff up but I’m not.
“joint pain”
Thats actually why I want it…
If only defy existed here… and australia wasn’t the worst nanny state ever regarding the regulation of meds. Nandrolone was taken off the market recently, so the only meds approved for muscle wasting on PBS are… progesterone (initiates build up in fat mass), Androgel and reandron (all wildly ineffective) however we are very supportive regarding import permits, so for those that actually need, they’ll get (actually probably not, most medical professionals here don’t even know what anabolic steroids are… obviously that’s an exaggeration, but there is a serious lack of knowledge regarding TRT/AAS here
instead we have these anti agin clinics aggressively pushing GH, SARMS, test (if you can afford these commodities) and peptides, deca/other synthetic AAS… fat chance