I’ve been thinking of a plan.
You know how we had to take a driving course to get our license? You know, because driving a car is dangerous.
Why not require a class for those over 21 to take AAS?
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
fiveoh01 wrote:
The unfortunate truth is when kids turn to steroids, not having a clue what they are getting into. Uninformed, misuse and abuse leads to them to getting hurt - and the cases that make national media - when they kill themselves because of their lack of appropriate use and recovery. Their parents appear before the senate and congress lobbying for stiffer penalties and laws, thinking it will be the fix-all. The same with gun control regs, where the most affected are the law abiding people![/quote]
This from the same sub-morons who said it was heavy metal that killed kids: Judas Priest hauled into court for 2 shotgun suicides and the Gores with the congressional witch hunt over music lyrics (Frank Zappa & Dee Snider kicked ass and made them look as stupid as they are)…Yeah, that Satanic metal and some roid rage is killin’ off kids by the thousands, right?..
[quote]5bigbear8 wrote:
Instead of worrying about meth and other drugs that kill SO many people everyday the government wants to blow steriod use out of preportion.
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The government is actually cracking down on meth probably moreso than any other drug. There is a federal system in place to limit the buying of cold medicine and potentially track somebody if they buy too much within a certain period of time. We’d probably be surprised by the amount of meth labs taken down per week.
I agree though, they do blow the steroid cases out of proportion. I think if professional athletes, who are in large a majority of kids role models, didn’t use them, then they wouldn’t be dealing with this nearly as much.
I actually think the “test” or class to be able to take them is a good idea, better than a system we have now that penalizes everybody for the stupid actions of few.
[quote]This from the same sub-morons who said it was heavy metal that killed kids: Judas Priest hauled into court for 2 shotgun suicides and the Gores with the congressional witch hunt over music lyrics (Frank Zappa & Dee Snider kicked ass and made them look as stupid as they are)…Yeah, that Satanic metal and some roid rage is killin’ off kids by the thousands, right?..
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That’s exactly what I’m talking about! Perfect example. And let’s ban those awful video games while we’re at it. Imagine playing Vice City while jamming to Metallica’s “Fade to Black” after shooting up steroids and eating pop rocks and drinking coke. Look out world!!!
[quote]keaster wrote:
Schwarzenegger wrote:
Every so often I think about moving to Europe, maybe Germany or the UK. I figure it would be too hard to make the transition, then something like this comes along and reminds me that it might be worth it.
Are you saying you would, in essence, move just for steroids?
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No, there are a lot of reasons actually. I’ve been to Europe many times in my lifetime. I was actually born in Germany (as a US citizen, parents in the military) and spent some time over there when I was younger.
My father was stationed over there for a couple years not too long ago and during the summers I would visit him for a couple months. I got the chance to experience many parts of Europe for extended periods of time, and not just in a vacation sense. Every time I came back to the States I would wonder why so many things seemed backwards.
Obviously no place is perfect, but I’ve been leaning towards some place Western Europe for some time. Drug legal issues would just be a benefit.
How about Austria?
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
[quote]itsthetimman wrote:
The government is actually cracking down on meth probably moreso than any other drug. There is a federal system in place to limit the buying of cold medicine and potentially track somebody if they buy too much within a certain period of time. We’d probably be surprised by the amount of meth labs taken down per week.
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I know- and it sucks. I remember buying 100-pill bottle of 25mg ephedrine tabs for $4 at any convenience store when I started college in the early 90’s (how else would I have been able to drink until 3 AM, study from 3 to 8, and then take an exam at 8:30?).
Now, if you go to the right Somali-run quickie-mart, you might be able to find a pack of 12 25 mg tabs adultered with guaifinisin for $6. What a fucking joke. Any decent cooker could probably make short work of removing the guaifinisin. Fucking retarded- I hate my county’s government!
They want this to be passed but it hasn’t yet right, I just skimed over it but thats what it seems like. I don’t think it will pass, it is pretty stupid they worry more about people trying to make their bodies better then actual drug addicts killing themselves.
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That’s exactly what I’m talking about! Perfect example. And let’s ban those awful video games while we’re at it. Imagine playing Vice City while jamming to Metallica’s “Fade to Black” after shooting up steroids and eating pop rocks and drinking coke. Look out world!!! [/quote]
And what really irks me is that the cops (the administrators who assign the cops the prioritiy on who to bust, more accurately) go in for the publicity stunts like busting BALCO Labs, while true violent criminals actually are using their stolen guns to shoot and kill people left and right nearly every dammed day, and we all know that is a fact!.
They push a hypothetical cause of what “might” happen (those nasty evil roids’ will mess you up, boy!), but avoid dealing with what actually IS happening (i.e. rec drug/alcohol fueled murders)…
The cops should be going gun to gun with the gang-bangers,not kicking down some meatheads door & pig-piling him to the floor for handcuffing for the TV cameras, just to confiscate a stinkin’ bottle of D-Bol for crissake’! (but of course, that’s a lot safer than trying to take down a crack house or meth lab full of armed dealers, right?)…
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
And what really irks me is that the cops (the administrators who assign the cops the prioritiy on who to bust, more accurately) go in for the publicity stunts like busting BALCO Labs, while true violent criminals actually are using their stolen guns to shoot and kill people left and right nearly every dammed day, and we all know that is a fact!.
They push a hypothetical cause of what “might” happen (those nasty evil roids’ will mess you up, boy!), but avoid dealing with what actually IS happening (i.e. rec drug/alcohol fueled murders)…
The cops should be going gun to gun with the gang-bangers,not kicking down some meatheads door & pig-piling him to the floor for handcuffing for the TV cameras, just to confiscate a stinkin’ bottle of D-Bol for crissake’! (but of course, that’s a lot safer than trying to take down a crack house or meth lab full of armed dealers, right?)…
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I think, fortunately, though, is that mentality exists mainly at the federal level. The publicity comes through proposed legislature so the president, congress and senate can at least say “Look what were doing.” That could be a blessing, as the feds typically only deal with large quantities, as you’ve read all over this site.
Local law enforcement’s priority still is, so I hope, the use/sale of the street drugs, which is a nationwide epidemic. In smalltown USA, it’s easy to find weed and crack. I don’t have a clue where to get AAS where I am, but I swear I could get crack in about five minutes. It’s a cryin’ shame.
[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
it’s easy to find weed and crack. I don’t have a clue where to get AAS where I am, but I swear I could get crack in about five minutes. It’s a cryin’ shame.[/quote]
You allude to another so obvious it is overlooked point about the criminalization of steroids: It is the only controlled substance that is not sought by users to “get high”!!! (i.e.-obtain a psychoactive response) This is an important and significant difference!..How many women you know would freak if you told them those birth control pills they are using are in fact “steroids”?. (It’s OK for women’s issues, but not for our male issues=Double standard!). Just shows the level of ignorance and triumph of propaganda going on out there!..
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
fiveoh01 wrote:
it’s easy to find weed and crack. I don’t have a clue where to get AAS where I am, but I swear I could get crack in about five minutes. It’s a cryin’ shame.
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This is actually really funny. I’ve known about three pretty hardcore drug dealers in high school and college. I asked each of them if they could score me some steroids, either themselves or through a larger dealer. They told me either steroids were stupid or that there wasn’t enough demand/money. One had no idea what I was talking about until I explained what they did. They really aren’t a popular selling item in most areas.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
They told me either steroids were stupid or that there wasn’t enough demand/money. One had no idea what I was talking about until I explained what they did. They really aren’t a popular selling item in most areas.[/quote]
That is very interesting observation from the street level, and I’d bet good money these dealers were far from PhD candidates!!!..At the risk of going all X-Files on ya’, I’ve always thought that the Nazis experiments with roids’s as the real life “Super Soldier” formula (All you Captain America fans are now vindicated) but settled for development of the now largely rec drug of amphetamine variants for military use (The Nazis issued “speed” to the Waffen SS, and black Dexies were common issue to special troops during the vietnam era, I know from personal info, and the experimentation with LSD as a weapon/truth Serum under the MK Ultra program is well documented)…Were it not for the hard to control sides discovered back in those days with early roid’ experiments, making them impractical as a quick fix “super soldier formula” (i.e. PCT, something only recently found to counteract sides, and still a complicated inexact pain in the ass), I say that roids’ benefits for men would have been accepted as common as, say, heart meds and contact lenses…(OK, do I need a tinfoil hat now, or am I makin’ sense here? If roids’ had a positive military use, they would not be stigmatized is the concept I’m theorizing, wrong as that may be to some)…
Wow - recreational drug users thumbing their noses at steroids as dangerous?! I guess when something is used for self-improvement, it becomes dangerous?
The crackheads smoke the rocks to give them a 20 minute high, cooking their lips and teeth to a pretty shade of brown, along with their fingertips. Not eating for days on end, since there’s no need for the body to energize, I guess. So they can remain jobless, draw government money, make more crack babies to draw more money for more crack. Break into businesses and residences for more money for drugs, to dig themselves deeper into the chasm, spiraling down. Just to get another rock for another 20 minute high.
But, let’s focus on the steroid problem.
Big Brother is not coming, he’s here!
From cameras on every street corner to bio chips under the skin…
They want us to eat soy, be fat, watch cable TV, be quiet, pay taxes, be weak and not have guns…
Easy pickings…
In Natzy Germany one of the first laws passed was gun control and once passed they used the records of those that registered there gun to seize them once they all out banned them…
History repeats, over and over…
Oh and if you think the Democrats or Republicans will save you they are all feeding from the same fat whore, Washington Federal Power…
good movie: V for Vendetta
the people should not fear their government. the government should fear the people.
HERES WHY STEROIDS WILL NEVER BE LEGAL:
Its no secret that the pharmaceutical companies and washington have been butt buddies for a looong time. They have been helping each other out for a long time. of course the government wants to keep steroids illegal. their friends in the pharm business make shit-tons of money off these drugs. for wasting diseases like AIDS and Parkinsons, AAS are prescribed and the prescription costs are often thousands of dollars a month!!!
If the steroids are illegal, then the drug companies produce it and raise the price to sky high levels. HRT, when done legally, can costs thousands of dollars a month. An UG lab can make the same amount and charge 50 bux.
If the politicians eased up on steroids, they would lose support from pharmaceutical companies that produce these drugs for prescription use in order to get super rich.
Interesting thing that is happening to DHEA. Motions have been made to make DHEA illegal except for prescription use. Imagine this: The government outlaws DHEA except for prescription use. The drug companies start making DHEA, charge 10x more, and make a ridiculous amount of money. They in turn praise washington, support their campaigns, and all sorts of shit that happens behind closed doors.
If people are serious about changing steroid laws, they should start with the pharmaceutical companies. They make soooo much money from steroids. If steroids went legal, the drug companies would lose a big revenue source, and they would stir lots of other shit up.
[quote]youngguns516 wrote:
good movie: V for Vendetta
the people should not fear their government. the government should fear the people.
HERES WHY STEROIDS WILL NEVER BE LEGAL:
Its no secret that the pharmaceutical companies and washington have been butt buddies for a looong time. They have been helping each other out for a long time. of course the government wants to keep steroids illegal. their friends in the pharm business make shit-tons of money off these drugs. for wasting diseases like AIDS and Parkinsons, AAS are prescribed and the prescription costs are often thousands of dollars a month!!!
If the steroids are illegal, then the drug companies produce it and raise the price to sky high levels. HRT, when done legally, can costs thousands of dollars a month. An UG lab can make the same amount and charge 50 bux.
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Thousands of bucks each month is a bit outrageous. It’s more like a dollar a day with average insurance. With my HRT covered 50/50 by insurance I paid $15 per 200mg (1cc) shot of test cyp from the doc. A 10ml multi-use vial would have cost me about $200 bucks from the pharmacy. I’d pay more but skip the doctor’s visit. I first started with gels, which cost me $20/month (30 gels), and eventually $30/month with different insurance. Either way, it comes to average $1.00/day for most people.
It cost me at most $2 per gram for powder and necessary items to process test cyp once I started getting powder, which at 100mg/wk would cost me about $10/year.
Maybe if I ever get busted I’ll claim exorbitant healthcare prices for my illegal activities. At minimum I’ll stir up the media and expose the real deal. Get a decent laywer, make a big scene. When all is said and done I’ll write a book about it.
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If the politicians eased up on steroids, they would lose support from pharmaceutical companies that produce these drugs for prescription use in order to get super rich.
Interesting thing that is happening to DHEA. Motions have been made to make DHEA illegal except for prescription use. Imagine this: The government outlaws DHEA except for prescription use. The drug companies start making DHEA, charge 10x more, and make a ridiculous amount of money. They in turn praise washington, support their campaigns, and all sorts of shit that happens behind closed doors.
If people are serious about changing steroid laws, they should start with the pharmaceutical companies. They make soooo much money from steroids. If steroids went legal, the drug companies would lose a big revenue source, and they would stir lots of other shit up.[/quote]
It isn’t so much the politicians that make the money and make decisions as it is the FDA, which is almost exclusively funded by pharmaceutical companies. You can’t very well work for Big Brother and say the FDA is wrong, and sure there is a lot of support going around under the table (and some not so secretively). But you’ve got the right idea.
Thanks for correcting me, schwarz.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Every so often I think about moving to Europe, maybe Germany or the UK. I figure it would be too hard to make the transition, then something like this comes along and reminds me that it might be worth it.[/quote]
the UK really isn’t where you want to be, we’re not anyway near as liberal as we are presented to the international community. the police are hard asses and its the most watched country in the world, and dont forget the rise of gun crime, knife crime is in its hay day and its a binge culture.
i would recommend Germany though, as ive lived there for a few years before, lovely people and place mainland western europe is alot nicer then the UK and more liberal with drug use