I think Kristi Noem will be around in the 2024 primary. She’s been a rising star nationally this past year.
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Sorry Nancy, but real men don’t put their hopes and dreams in the hands of others. They know that they are masters of their own fate and take responsibility for it. We have families to take care of and kids to set examples for.
That’s why in a larger view, a lot of men (if you want to make it a “man thing”) don’t get that upset over who ever is in office.
You’d see this if you didn’t have Angela Merkel queening you to death.
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At this point…does anyone really believe that Trump’s whole Presidency was about anything other than him?
It’s not about making America Great…or about the Republican Party…or his followers or anyone else. His whole Life has been about stroking his own ego…and that has not changed. If anything the Presidency worsened his narcissism.
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I think it’s going to be very tough to say since people can make arguments on both sides. I’ll make the case against since you made the case for.
He came in with full control. Leaves with the possibility of losing all that (depending on Georgia tie) in just four years. Big gains for Dems at the state levels. Becomes one of three Presidents in the last 108 years to not win a second term when running. Lost back PA, WI, and MI. And then possibly losing former strongholds like Georgia? Losing AZ (note fully recognizing he could win these pending final counts).
Certainly the bigger tent matters if those numbers stick moving forward. I’ll still say that we should all hesitate a bit to make too many assumptions about future turnout and what these results mean just because we can’t exactly expect voter turnout records to be broken like this. But absolutely a big thing if those gains stay moving forward.
Do you think if Republicans had ran someone else they would have lost this much power in that amount of time? Personally (and I’ve said this before) I think average GOP candidate beats Hilary and average GOP candidate wins this election.
I think it’s clear Americans didn’t elect Biden because they think he’s amazing. They elected him because he wasn’t Trump.
I will also say I could certainly make a case for him being a net positive as well which makes the question tough. But I think the above matters as well.
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Good point. But 2024 would be vastly different. Trump wasn’t a known quantity then and he is now. Does the GOP want to hang their hat on one of the few Presidents who couldn’t win a second term? I doubt it.
More importantly as much as I think Trump will talk and do rallies I don’t think he wants to risk losing again. Right now he can claim this as stolen until the cows come home. Harder to do if you have multiple losses.
I also question how much Trump enjoyed being President. If he can get the high of attention and adoration he seems without the other bs that comes with it why run again?
See, this is the kind of ridiculous crap that put us there in the first place.
Says Whitey: How am I to be a responsible father if
- I have to work harder than the generation before me
- spend less time with my kids to set an example
- let them be brainwashed to a never before seen level in the west
- quarrel with the wife more, as everything has become politicised and couples are more ideologically divided than ever. If I even get to quarrel as women have to brainwashed to feel proud for having to work a job
- and in the end, I’ll probably end up without a house, with less kids than the generation before me.
What you’re saying is this republican cope
“be a proud man and take it up the ass”
That’s not very enticing to a growing body of men.This can express itself disfunctionally like with incels or within a framework of national dialectic.
You have to explain to me how I should’ve coped harder regarding Merkel. Is this some kind of protestantist angle?
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No. I’m really not that sophisticated. I’m just being a dick.
Why does it always come around to that? Lay off the bratwurst bro. I thing you’re shoving them into the wrong end.
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So Trump lost the down ticket races also? To wit, l disagree that Trump ‘destroyed’ GOP…
You want to include mid terms? OK, but that D increase is not unknown in midterms.
I don’t deny most people (likely) vote straight party. I tabulated Texas and House/Senate numbers were virtually identical in R/D/I ratio, only fall off being President vote for R.
A weird thing is moving I vote of 130,000 and R vote of 70,000 to Biden and he still had an extra 120,000 extra votes that were cast with seemingly no down ballot votes. My comparison was to Senate and House totals as l said.
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I agree with the post except for the word “upset.” Real men get upset about whose in office, they just don’t dwell on it and throw a fit.
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I wouldn’t use the term destroyed by any means. But he came in with all control and is leaving with at the minimum no presidency and no house and possibly a tied Senate. A potential for a blue AZ and a blue Georgia the latter of which no one would have suspected in 2016.
Destroyed would be overselling it big time. But based on the above I don’t see calling it a huge success either. Merely losing the Presidency would be bad enough considering our incredibly strong history of giving Presidents two terms especially the last century. Like I said though I think one can also make (which you’re doing) arguments for it being a success. 2020 results don’t really lead to an ironclad argument either way. Does a typical GOP candidate lose the Presidency? I think no personally.
What did he do? Was it the bratwurst whoopie cushion prank again?
He has to quit doing that at the astroglide slip&slide parties.
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Well, POTUS just fired the secretary of defense in large part because he didn’t support deploying active service military against blue state citizens like POTUS wanted.
I wonder if trump will become even more unhinged in his final months as a lame duck. Now that trump has lost his mandate and cudgel he wielded over the GOP, the 25th might be a real option.
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The 25th isn’t an option. He’s being replaced not long from now. And he isn’t going to be significantly more unhinged. I mean he just ran on locking up a governor who had a kidnap plot against her and said his opponent would listen to scientists.
Now he might burn down everyone he considered as not 100% loyal but he had a tendency to do that before losing. I think it’s just as likely he essentially does nothing and just says fuck it than he goes full mental. My guess would be he golfs more often. But yeah he’s getting rid of the people he thinks didn’t kiss the rings enough.
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LOL. You must be from California…
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the story of the boy who cried wolf, but when we are several dozen times into the left talking about the 25th, it makes you seem less credible. Presidents consistently fire people that disagree with them on policy. It is his prerogative and it doesn’t make him unfit. You sound mildly unhinged to bring it up until he actual does anything that would possibly merit the discussion.
I don’t think so. What comes next for Trump will be a series of very public legal troubles. He’s damaged goods due to getting whipped outright in 2020, and his profile will be worse in 2024 - assuming he isn’t incarcerated.
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I don’t think the 25A will be invoked, but I think a whole lot of crazy will be attempted by Trump between now and January 2021.
This thread…
Okay retract destroyed because that was indeed what you meant with your examples of Trump losing those states, but you didnt precisely use that term. Although l would bet a lot of money that specific idea has been conveyed 1000s of times by any and everyone in communication of any format.
Specifically, l am saying Dems defeated GOP at state levels, in addition to voting against Trump.
There aren’t too many other WVs that vote 70% GOP pres while voting their Dem senator 70% also. Based on that and the fact that he made headway with non white men voting GOP, which every commentator here says is necessary for a future GOP. Thats’s my view.
This to me is the more interesting question. I think Haley is going to run, but beyond that I’m not sure who is going to be a front-runner.
Couple things - 1st, I’m not sure he did change the game. At least not as much as people are thinking; I think this is a clear example of the man being an exception himself. I don’t think exceptions make the rule.
2nd, I DO think a level-headed candidate can succeed, but personality plays into it. Trump won mostly on force of his personality (and lost on it this year too). A level-headed candidate that brings energy can be compelling.
I’m about 95% sure this was the case from watching it in real-time. I was shouting at the TV lol. As you said though, words matter. That’s something I’ve been harping on the whole time Trump has been in office.
I dunno. My gut says no, but it’s been wrong before. In a demographic sense maybe he pulled some newer voters, but I have a hard time seeing that the party as a whole is better off. I just can’t. I will agree the GOP is more competitive than the media suggests, but that’s not anything new.
Yes, but then he was an unknown and nobody took him seriously. Now the party knows the baggage he carries, knows how he behaves. Different ballgame. I think you would have seen a lot more attacks on him in 2015 if party people had taken him seriously.
After other GOP people rushed to smooth things over with him.
I mean…maybe? But if the party knows he can’t win a general election and he turns off the voters they need to win then why would they play along?
The goal for the party is to win the general.
I don’t, but I’m biased so not sure that counts.
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