I said if he becomes even more unhinged, the 25th might be an option. But I guess you think that should never be an option for your dear leader. Never let facts get in the way of your opinion, amiright?
He needs money. Yes, it’s about the adoration he craves after losing, but he also needs cash to retire campaign debt.
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So you’re saying they voted for gridlock?
I dunno. I think the analysis of these voting trends is going to be a very long process
Not my position at all. It is true that the 25th is an option if any president every becomes unhinged. Firing someone isn’t unhinged. If Biden deploys nukes domestically, the 25th is a real option. It doesn’t mean anything if he doesn’t do it though and doesn’t make it worthy of discussion that someone who hates him insinuates he might. Unless you are claiming to be psychic and know what and why he does what he does and what he plans?
It’s a dumb hypothetical in a situation where the Dems have been mindlessly parroting “25th” like a flock of seagulls from finding nemo for the past four years.
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I thought we were talking about the GOP as a whole and whether they had been destroyed. Not Trump. But if Biden ends up at 306 electoral votes which is possible but not guaranteed wouldn’t we all agree that’s a pretty significant loss? Trump repeatedly called that a landslide when he beat Clinton. If he’s facing the same EV deficit plus a who knows what it ends up over 4.5 million popular vote loss? I mean this isn’t Jimmy Carter levels or anything but it’s also not really close.
Yeah and I acknowledged that already and said that one could easily make an argument that Trump was a net positive and not a net negative. If those groups stay in those levels it would be big no doubt. But we also had an election with an unbelievable turnout the likes of which we are unlikely to continue seeing for both sides. If those voters are tied to Trump and don’t turnout again it’s not helpful.
Do you believe garden variety Republican loses the election? Because I think “typical” GOP candidate beats Clinton easy and wins in 2020. How much of Biden’s win do you think is tied to him as a candidate and how much was tied to voting out Trump?
The 25th was never a real option because trump never did anything that quite legitimately rose to a level warranting it being enacted, but also because he had the GOP cowering in fear and enacting the 25th needs bipartisan support. The fear is gone now, but so are the fucks trump has left to give. He might go quietly, or he might go out loud and ugly.
If you don’t want to talk hypotheticals, don’t reply to posts positing questions about hypothetical situations. Easy. You might want to stay the hell out of a thread with “predictions” in the title if you’re so sensitive about hypotheticals and predictions.
IMO, the 25th happens only if Trump wants it. Why would he would want it you ask. So that Pence can pardon him of crimes. It seems unclear if Trump could pardon himself, but Pence sure could if he was in charge.
I am not saying Trump is in serious legal trouble (he might or might not be). I think enough has come out for me to suspect he may be, but I will make no claim either way.
I’d think he’d prefer to resign, over bring declared unfit. But who knows? Maybe there’s a 4D chess move I’m not seeing.
There are hypotheticals and dumb hypotheticals. Yours was firmly into the dumb camp.
Right, he’s never done anything whatsoever worthy of invoking the 25th in the first 99% of his presidency… I’m guessing the 25th just gives you a chubby or something? He’s already gone. He hasn’t done the horrible things the news and the dems have “supposed” him of doing daily for four years, but this time it’s for reals.
And why would I leave? I’m having fun.
Legal trouble for what?
My one firm prediction before the election has already come true. I said there would be violence from the left, no mater who one or by how much.
Trump had been in public life for decades before his presidential run. I think we all had a sense of who he was based on how he treated people and ran (bankrupted) his companies. He turned out to govern exactly like we (or at least I) thought he would.
It depends if GOP voters accept the loss as legitimate. Go look at r/Conservative to see where their heads are on this.
That’s the strongest case against another Trump run. I agree he doesn’t want to risk another hit to his fragile ego.
Probably empty rhetoric, but the calls for him to run in 2024 have already started. More likely though, Lindsey is planning for a 2024 run and is making a bid for Trump supporters. Plus, he doesn’t want to have to deflect shots from Trump in a primary.
And the heads start to roll. I wonder who’s next.
Not saying that at all.
I apparently cant convey my thought that many people voted Dem because they are traditionally Dem. Maybe they took a flyer on Trump and went back to Dem this election.
But in AZ, GA, TX, NC - Dems have crept up and taken more and more share. Just like they did in CO and VA. That isnt Trump’s fault. The people in the states are changing.
Whatever, lm tired of defending him against creating cancer and war. Being a lifelong asshole is probably why he lost. I can’t tell when Barrett, Franklin Graham and Kavanaugh are demonized while Hollywood, BLM and AOC are lionized.
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Back when he was buddy buddy with and donating to all the big names on the left? He was a big Hilary supporter after all.
Yes. That would be about the time.
While I think his personality has been known (and never changed dispite all the wishes and dreams from the Right), I think his policy was in doubt until he came into office.
As I said:
You can look through this if you would like.
One of the big ones to me is this (from the wiki)
“On the question of obstruction of justice, Barr stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion; he quotes the special counsel as saying “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”[207][206] Barr wrote, “The special counsel’s decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,” adding that he and Rosenstein “concluded that the evidence developed during the special counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”[208][209] However, Mueller’s report does in fact outline dozens of actions Trump took that were in fact obstructing the investigation, and Mueller concluded that he would have charged Trump with crimes had he been allowed to.”
Check out the last line. We will have a new AG here shortly. One with a different outlook than Barr (who seems to take the position that the only controlling mechanisms of presidential power abuse is impeachment and being voted out), under that AG, Mueller will be able to press charges (which he said he would do if not for Barr).
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Ah. I don’t think it will ever happen. Especially with what has gone on with all the abuses of power on the side of investigators. I’m also not sure how the law is written, but I find it hard to believe he was trying to obstruct justice in an investigation he new was bogus. Justice was exoneration. I also don’t think the left wants to replay that one and put that investigation back into the light of day. Biden might even pardon him if it came to it.
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He was still running as a political outsider. As much as people “knew” him coming in he has a true record now. And I think that record isn’t overly positive. I’m basing that on losing popular vote by 4.5 million, possibly letting his opponent get 306 EV’s and consistent low approval ratings. At the same time his turnout was sky high I recognize.
Some weren’t going to see it as legitimate if Biden carried every state. That’s what happens when you tell your people you’re going to get swindled. Right now the bandwagon is going to say stolen and it will stay that way for awhile whether anything is suspect or not. But the number who feel that now will lessen. The true diehards won’t ever feel it wasn’t stolen. The only scenario they were going to accept was a Trump win. But I don’t think that’s going to represent the majority of people in 2023.
Trump will probably give lip service to this for quite a while. He’s going to want to make money and the best way to do that is convince the people who love you of it. I would be shocked if he says no way anytime soon.