Are democrats claiming fraud anywhere? Are there any viral conspiracy claims being tossed about by democrats? Or do Republicans have the monopoly on that?
Seems like the lefty msm is just debunking right wing conspiracies and fraud claims, but not lobbing any counter accusations? At least that I’m seeing?
My aunt lives in rural Kentucky, and she swears she heard Cousin Bob (not her real cousin, but everyone calls him that) say he cast 6 votes for Trump. What he did (and others are doing in rural areas) is voting for Trump by filling in the circle, and then crossing out all the other candidates and writing in “Trump” over their names and filling in these circles too. It’s not fair that they get to count 6 votes for Trump, but I only (and my Aunt) only get one vote each for Biden. Why isn’t this being reported by Fox news? Hmmm, seems pretty suspicious to me. If I were Biden I’d be suing.
Maaannn do I have some preachers to introduce to you.
Just kidding, but some Pentecostals (and probably other denominations) are the most passionate people I’ve ever seen/heard.
My main issue with this stuff (and I’m a Christian) is that we shouldn’t be praying for Trump to win, or for Biden to win, we should be praying that our next president is who God wants it to be. Very few Christians (that I’ve seen) act that way.
In Asia? Just curious, not intending to start an argument about cops or whatever, but does this happen often there? I know nothing about Asian police forces.
You don’t want to claim it, if you are committing it. Like it or not, there is a lack of transparency. Poll watchers being shut out, poll counters board up windows so people cannot see in, is a problem. That’s not a declaration of out right fraud, but it begs the question why? Why is there a problem for the process to be 100% transparent as it should be. Certainly, you wouldn’t claim that the process shouldn’t be transparent as possible?
We want every eligible vote to count and be counted fairly. Any appearance of impropriety gives way to a court case.
It wouldn’t be as big a deal if it wasn’t for every mail-in impropriety we have seen this year has been done by democrats for democrats. Who did the votes in the ditches hurt? Trump. Who did the votes in the dumpster hurt? Trump. Everywhere their has been a problem with ballots, the impropriety hurt Trump. So, of course their suspicious.
You do want a fair, legal and transparent election, don’t you?
And so do I. And the reason I want it to be fair, legal and transparent, no matter who the winner ultimately is, is due to the violence that is already starting to crop up around the country. We are a deeply divided nation, we don’t need malfeasance adding to the fire.
You’re mind only attends to things as it relates to cognitive goals. The experiment illustrates this well. The subject is assigned a value goal (count the passes). Because of the cognitive value of basketball passes, the person becomes well nigh blind to things happening inconsequential to their value structure. It is cognitive bias that causes the inattention bias. If they don’t have a pre-conceived goal before watching, they see the gorilla.
It is also very relevant to the way our value structure warps our perception all the way down to sensory perception and attention. But it works in higher levels too. An excellent example of this would be to get someone on the left and right to watch the same police shooting video and give you a detailed recap. See what details each one notices and doesn’t notice. Even operating in 100% honesty and good faith they’ll give you very different renditions. Both can even be correct in everything they say and the higher level evaluations of the occurrence extracted from the facts (that they see through their value structure) can be almost polar opposites.
Oh geez, you don’t know…
Let’s put this to bed, right now. Below is evidence from strait up fraud to mistakes, errors and improprieties that have plagued the election cycle this year. It doesn’t mean everything is fucked. But it does mean we need to be damn careful and the election commission needs full transparency.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html
Yeah, I am going back to saying this is weird. I haven’t seen multiple stop counts and throwing out of election monitors before. I looked for historical precedent and didn’t find any. I will accept evidence if it exists, but I don’t see it in the historical record.
Like I said before something strange is afoot. Why are there stoppages and why are they kicking out election overseers?
Welp, I can now make 2 predictions pretty solidly.
Civil war is in the ether. #ItCanHappenHere
EDIT: More info.
Why is there even a question about count monitoring? Why are they trying to keep Republican election monitors out? Shouldn’t there be full and open transparency here? Both Republican and Democrat observers and monitors should absolutely be allowed to oversee the count. But PA is trying to keep Republican monitors out? Makes no sense, why would you need to do that if you are acting according to the law?
This is scary stuff:
Can we at least all agree on transparency? Can we agree that poll watchers from both the Democratic and Republican parties are present monitoring the count? With the margins we are dealing with, some neerdowell can change the outcome and we don’t want that on either side. Can we agree on full, transparent vote counting?
Then you haven’t seen any presidential election in modern history? People don’t work 24/7. Hell you can watch some of these counting places live-streamed on YouTube. You know what happens in a lot of them? People go home. They aren’t robots.
Also if stopping counting is bothering you why are you supporting a candidate who is demanding that vote counting stops? “They are stopping counting…that’s weird I hope my candidate who is demanding they stop counting votes wins.”
Throwing out ballots has happened with in person voting for years for a long time. It’s not just an issue with mail in issue. Which again I don’t remember the right complaint about when millions of Americans did it and Trump won. Issues with mail in ballots being tossed are much more likely to hurt Biden than Trump since more of Biden’s people voted that way. Here’s some recent voter fraud.
Another rigged election viral thing shot down.
I REALLY wish people understood how easy it is to stage things with the technology that’s out there…
I’m confused weren’t these types screaming from the rooftops that any story about Trump (even the ones that just quoted him) were trying to overturn the will of the people. But now they are actually trying to overturn them in about as direct a manner as you can get?
I honestly think if some of these politicians did this, they would get killed. They don’t have the security of the president are easily accessible. I’m sure electors are not anonymous either. Do you want to be the guy who votes against the candidate who won your state?
Seems like these issues affect both sides… hmmm…
I don’t actually think it would happen at all. Merely the idea that these popular right wingers are giving lip service to it.
I’m shocked that @pat thinks this is conspiratorial and, soon, he will start with “this [linked article from unreputable source he didn’t read] will be the biggest scandal in history”.
In fact, if pat came on here and said “This election is going as expected. The mail-in ballots are taking longer to count, and they are going predominantly to Biden. Just as had been predicted”. I would immediately flag that comment and assume Pat’s account had been hacked.
Because they are frauds and just as corrupt morally as any politician they hate.
Just fasten your clothespin and get ready for a 4 year long stream of pouty lipped republican rage dookie.
You know it’s coming. These are just the first farts.
What’s crazy is that people buy this shit so quick. Maybe not everything but the vast, vast majority of this fake type stuff can we quickly be debunked by a simple google search.
But it’s remarkably easy to edit videos and pictures. My problem is not that people do that because people are shitty and both sides have done this for a long time. What’s annoying is how quickly people believe things that seem like they could be untrue and don’t even take the time to try and verify. It’s a combination of confirmation bias but also a combination of laziness.
Need a “fuck yeah” button for this, as liking it isn’t enough.