Forget that anniversary and it will be you that gets benched.
That’s a poor assumption on your part. That in no way confirms hours watched of anything. If you did a very small amount of research into actual viewership you’d see a very different story. Fox gets plenty of viewers, but it’s about the size of CNN and MSN together. That makes liberal media viewership larger than conservative by the entire size of CBS and ABC (and BBC and PBS and on and on and on.)
You can be assured though that the people watching fox on the right are at least exposed to other networks (which is probably where your assumptions on viewership fall on their face). There are plenty of people on the left that don’t ever watch any fox news and hence aren’t exposed at all to conservative voices. And that’s really what your research indicates. Libs don’t watch fox. Conservatives still do watch ABC and CBS which is why their viewership is in the middle.
Although I will say conservatives now dominate alternative sources. Independent news on youtube for example is a growing conservative viewership (which is a big reason why mainstream media and the big tech company’s have pushed so hard for it’s censorship). And I don’t know what viewership numbers on those sorts of sources is like.
You are free to think that. Does one need to watch a certain amount of hours a day to form an opinion?
Your initial assertion (or the fact you cited to support twojar’s assertion) was that the left wing media is more guilty of manipulating flow of information to benefit Democrats (compared to right wing media and the GoP). This:
Doesn’t support that claim. You are assuming incorrectly that the amount of people in left wing media is a good measure of the impact.
So we both made mistakes. Let’s start over. How do you support the claim that left wing media does more to manipulate media to help the DEMs.
I’m not “thinking” that. That’s what the direct data says. You posted a survey of trustworthiness based on party (that doesn’t even ask about viewership and does look at absolute number at all) to assert equal influence. The direct data directly contradicts your assumptions based on indirect ancillary data. They actually measure what we are discussing. Why on earth would you ignore the direct measure and estimate with surveys not reporting absolute values and investigating tangential questions?
And yes, hours consumed affects influence. If liberal sources get a 5 to 1 advantage in hours consumed, it’s fair to say they have a significant advantage in influence. It’s highly relevant.
I already agreed that they do it to, but they have NOWHERE NEAR the reach of the liberal sources.
Now you are asserting that people on the left are less manipulative of the data? The only assumption I’m making here is that the people on the left and right do a similar amount of manipulating.
Because your value system literally dictates what you see in the world and how you see it. Even assuming everyone in the media attempted to the best of their ability to be impartial, the media coverage would tilt drastically to favor the dems.
Again I’m assuming that that left and the right and the people in media on the left an right are SIMILAR in their biases. I see no reason to doubt that without some evidence, but even if libs in the media were more impartial, they’d need to be 33 times as impartial to make up for the disparity.
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I was picking up a prescription for the wife. Pharmacist asks me her d.o.b. I looked at the pharmacist (smiling a little) and said “I’m going to get in a lot of trouble if I don’t come home with this. Please don’t do that to me.”. She laughed and gave me the script.
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I don’t know (it was bad debate strategy if I am being honest). You made the claim, and never supported it. I should have just called you on it (and not posted anything other than that), because I don’t think you can back it.
That is where the “more guilty” comes in. You need to support that claim. We both know both do it, you need to support the more guilty part of the claim.
Never asserted that. I said the amount of journalists on each side is irrelevant to the claim that the left wing media has more sway on the public than the right wing media.
My value system values believing true things and not believing false things. It is just the claim of the left wing media having more sway than the right wing media just requires to many assumptions for me to conclude it is true. I need more evidence. Many people believe the left media has more sway, many believe the right media has more sway. What I am saying is that I am not convinced. I am open to solid evidence. So far that hasn’t been presented yet. Once it has, I am willing to believe.
I am sorry if I am coming off a bit harsh. I can admit I was sloppy initially. I have just heard from both sides that they think the other side’s media is the problem. I agree both are guilty. I am not convinced one is demonstrably more guilty than the other. Not convinced is my position.
Sorry pretty verbose here.
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FNC: Just like with the first debate last month, the cable newser was the most watched network overall last night with 14.7 million tuning in.
Last night saw ABC second with 10.8 million watching, NBC third with 10.1 million and CNN fourth with 7.2 million. MSNBC came in fifth in debate viewership with 6.7 million, while CBS trailed with 5.5 million sets of eyeballs
Would you say these two are more than slightly left of center? I consider them so close to center that I just say center.
It sorta helps because it was flag day. I usually have to think a bit but haven’t really forgotten it. Still I don’t have to think as much to tell you the Chiefs depth chart…
Now that’s the way to get through HIPPA! Genius.
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Great weather here today as well. Unseasonably warm. One of the 21 “perfect” weather days we get in Kansas.
To quote Stormy Daniels about this election though “let’s just get this over with.”
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So I have a theory why Fox News consistently pulls in large numbers - there just isn’t many other options for conservatives to go watch the news. There ARE a wide variety of left/liberal leaning outlets that directly compete with each other (MSNBC/CNN/NBC/ETC).
I can’t think of another right/gop/conservative leaning MSM outlet. So, essentially, Fox has the conservative market cornered while liberals have more choice.
Again this is just a theory and I couldn’t really care less if it’s true because all of the above are egregious at manipulating their viewers with omitted and skewed data. They are all an affront to a free and well informed populace.
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Nope. I currently live in Alabama.
That is cut and paste, not my words.
I find the difference mainly in the scolding and accusatory delivery, although l watch ABC every evening as my national news. Fox has moved much closer to the center in last couple of years in the news division. There are generally several liberals every hour in debatish format in both news and commentary. Plus several on staff for print articles.
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If Trump loses expect Republicans to quickly move away from him and towards austerity to try to limit the impact of a Biden presidency. I’ve said that before and you’ve even seen some GOP people say it recently just in case. They will be back to the one term playbook.
If he wins all bets are on for his family and the future of the GOP. But the people acting like the GOP are gonna continue to ride with Trump even if he loses are nuts. It may not all happen immediately but it will happen. Tightrope to walk though because they need that base a bit moving forward.
But insane to me that people are acting like Trump 2024 if he loses or Jr or Ivanka 2024 if he loses. That cord is getting severed if he loses I’d bank on it.
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Oh, I’d expect to see bigly retraction if he bombs.
Trump can move right along and continue with existing business interests without really missing a beat, but these politicians have the rest of their careers to think about.
Well the future of the party more than anything. That’s why it’s a tightrope though because they don’t want to piss off the passionate Trump fans.
Trump will move onto his next grift and scam. I’m guessing a Trump media network. Steal a bit from the Blaze and a bit from Infowars and he has something there. We already know he’s blaming people for the loss if he loses. None of it will be on him. Of course he may win and then it’s a moot point.
Trump university 2.0?
You’ve never heard of OAN?
OHHHH BOY! If youu thought fox was fucked up… 
I have. I think he may do something like that. Or make money speaking or something. Maybe his audit will be complete and he can pay back El Paso?
I think there is a decent possibility that he will be participating in some criminal defense. I think that will keep him busy.
That is if he loses. I think he has a chance for the record.
Ironically, I’d never even heard of her either until @pat mentioned her and her WAP music video lol. I actually love the music video even though I don’t like the song but it’s still fucking stuck in my head. I probably just lean just slightly to the left socially and a little more towards libertarian if that political compass test is accurate.