Three years ago, I gave up wheat, and seriously cut back on my sugar intake. I also upped my eggs, bacon, and fatty cuts of meat intake. My Cholesterol is SO much better than it was before.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
My wife had a 160 LDL and 40 HDL a year ago. She limited sugar, replaced soybean/corn oil with butter, coconut and olive oil and 2 whole eggs, and also added some garlic and a little cocoa and is at 120 and 60.[/quote]
My last profile was LDL 90, HDL 75
I’ll have to get a test soon. Its been a couple of years though my only issue in the past was low-ish HDL.
But I replaced all polyunsaturated oils. I never use them. I eliminated wheat. I practically eliminated sugar and I eat around 24 eggs a week, cook in butter, and eat mostly full fat grass-fed ground beef. Honestly, I expect to have a boost in HDL.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Gorillakiv83 wrote:
the level of english is too advanced in this thread, im just a turkish guy that learned english in high school 
long story short, do you believe my ldl will drop down after stopping dietary cholesterol and saturated fat intake for a month or is it completely irrelevant?[/quote]
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Do you eat a high carb diet or a lower carb diet?
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Do you have any real reason to believe that you have the beginning of heart disease (family history, smoking, lots of aerobic exercise?)
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Do you have any reason to believe that you have thyroid problems?
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Do you eat food fried in vegetable oils? What kinds?
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Do you eat much sugar, sweets, sodas, drinks with sugar? [/quote]
- i’ve been dieting for 7 months and lost 20 kgs/44 lbs in the process. i’ve been low carb and extremely clean for a long time. thats why i was shocked at the results because i also read the studies saying that real reason of high ldl is carbs and sugar.
- no family history of heart disease, no smoking or alcohol, only 15 minutes of cardio after weight training 4 times a week.
- no but i will have it tested.
- i dont eat fried food. the only oil we use when we cook at home is extra virgin olive oil. no margarine, no sunflower oil, no butter
- my only beverage is water for the last 7 months. no juice, no soda, no coke, absolutely no junk. the only thing i added to my life in the last 7 months is 2 whole eggs a day and lots of whole fat dairy. thats why i will use trial & error method to see if they are the reason. i may be one of those hyper responders that is mentioned in every cholesterol study, who knows.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
I’ll have to get a test soon. Its been a couple of years though my only issue in the past was low-ish HDL.
But I replaced all polyunsaturated oils. I never use them. I eliminated wheat. I practically eliminated sugar and I eat around 24 eggs a week, cook in butter, and eat mostly full fat grass-fed ground beef. Honestly, I expect to have a boost in HDL. [/quote]
please let us know when you get your test results, im very curious.
[quote]Gorillakiv83 wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Gorillakiv83 wrote:
the level of english is too advanced in this thread, im just a turkish guy that learned english in high school
long story short, do you believe my ldl will drop down after stopping dietary cholesterol and saturated fat intake for a month or is it completely irrelevant?[/quote]
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Do you eat a high carb diet or a lower carb diet?
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Do you have any real reason to believe that you have the beginning of heart disease (family history, smoking, lots of aerobic exercise?)
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Do you have any reason to believe that you have thyroid problems?
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Do you eat food fried in vegetable oils? What kinds?
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Do you eat much sugar, sweets, sodas, drinks with sugar? [/quote]
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i’ve been dieting for 7 months and lost 20 kgs/44 lbs in the process. i’ve been low carb and extremely clean for a long time. thats why i was shocked at the results because i also read the studies saying that real reason of high ldl is carbs and sugar.
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no but i will have it tested.
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Low carb diets can supress thyroid hormones (T3) which is important
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/biomarkers/hdlldlcholesterol/
The solution they give is to a) increase carbs a little, gradually to 100+ grams a day. VERY low carbs supress T3 which raises LDL. OR to take T3 thyroid supplements.
And to get some iodine and selenium.
Now in your case, I would check to see if T3 is low first because this would account for the high LDL, and its better to not change anything if you have a possible explanation that you can get tested for.
Very interesting discussion. I have nothing to contribute, but please keep it going if possible.
Are there any threads, articles or websites which discuss diet recommendations based on this approach? i.e. saturated fat is not the enemy, neither is cholesterol, avoid vegetable fats, eat bacon, etc.
[quote]James Brown wrote:
Are there any threads, articles or websites which discuss diet recommendations based on this approach? i.e. saturated fat is not the enemy, neither is cholesterol, avoid vegetable fats, eat bacon, etc.[/quote]
brother, there’s so much! All the big paleo proponents like Mark Sisson, Chris Kesser, Richard Nikoley etc., all have tons of info on the subject.
Even if you don’t buy into the paleo thing, there’s some great reading about saturated fat and cholesterol on there.
If your brain is 80% cholesterol, how much do you want to lessen that?
Since all your harmones are made of cholesterol, how much do you want to lessen your T?
Thank God I have a hard copy of Dr. Whitaker’s Health & Healing news letters. Really worth the money.
If you want to read something that destroys the idea that fat is bad, read “good calories, bad calories”. It does a great job of explaining how the whole low fat thing got started and why it’s a bunch of BS. It explains the government’s role and pokes holes in most of the “science” that started the snowball rolling. His assertions however need to be taken with a grain of salt. He makes many of the same mistakes in his assertions he points out about the “low fat” people.
If you are looking for diet advice Atkins did the best of the major dieting styles in that Stanford study. Though I personally would make some modifications like paying attention to meat quality.
If you really want to try it, be prepared to feel like crap for a while. You’re body has to get used to running on fat. Also, you have to really loose the fear of fat. I still stay away from vegetable oils and low quality animal products, but other than that, EAT FAT. If you try this style diet and are still ordering chicken breasts and sparing the butter, you’re going to fail. Eat chicken with the skin, the fattiest grass fed ground beef you can find, pile on the grassfed butter, put grassfed cream and coconut oil in your coffee. It is difficult to over eat on fat.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It is difficult to over eat on fat.[/quote]
…if you don’t also have a lot of starch and or sugar in your diet.
but I personally think that the overeating phenomenon in America is a combination of a carb addiction cycle, and general deficiency of fat soluble nutrients.
That is why cutting omega-6 oils is also important. When you eat the fats that people lived on prior to the 20th century, you don’t feel hungry for lack of fat soluble nutrients so you are able to self regulate. Its impossible to self regulate on a carb addiction cycle. All you feel on a carb based diet is hunger.
On a fat based diet, I will actually wake up and feel like I need liver or fish or coconut oil or butter, and a little bit of the right fat satiates.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
On a fat based diet, I will actually wake up and feel like I need liver or fish or coconut oil or butter, and a little bit of the right fat satiates. [/quote]
this sounds like complete nonsense sorry.
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Can you post a sample daily diet and also just a general list of foods that make up 90% of your diet. i expect i can predict what alot will be but would still find it interesting thanks.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
On a fat based diet, I will actually wake up and feel like I need liver or fish or coconut oil or butter, and a little bit of the right fat satiates. [/quote]
this sounds like complete nonsense sorry.
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Well the alternate possibility would be that people have no natural instinctual clue as to what kind of food to eat. Maybe its my mind playing tricks on me, but one thing is for sure, on a higher fat, lower carb diet, if I don’t track my calories continually, I still don’t overeat (I actually tend to eat lower than maintenance level calories). If I eat mostly carbs I will always over eat my caloric needs if I don’t track calories on the spot, but just add them up at the end of the day.
Heres my daily breakdown for what its worth.
Am Coffee with 3 eggs, 4-8oz lean meat, 1 cup of mixed nuts(Almonds, pistacios, peanuts) and 3 tbl of Chia seeds. Along with 3gr Dha, 2gr coconut oil, daily vitamins.
Am snack, Bell Pepper with natural peanut butter and 30gr whey shake.
Lunch, Unlimited Veggies, 4-6 oz lean meat and second coffee
mid snack, Veggies and cottage cheese
Dinner (pre training) 80 grams waxy maize or equivalent and 30 gr whey
Intra workout: Creatine, Citrulline, Taurine, Luecine, Iso L and Valine
Post: Whey
Before Bed Thick carbs and one last shake.
I have gone 13 days Ketogenic and the first 5 I was fuzzy-headed… but by day 13 I was shredded to a point i had never been before. I then took some sound advice and very, very slowly added carbs every day until the point where i started to lose them in the a.m./mirror. At that point i knew what my daily intake of carbs could/ would be so as to remain LEAN.
I have not had a blood panel done in a while so I think it is once again time !
Hope that this thread continues and I will probably get some blood work done around my birthday in three weeks.
So at the point I to will post…
Lets keep this one going !
for some reason I seem to be a threadkiller ; (
eggs are cheap beef getting expensive
during last 6 months have been in creasing protien intake
main part of my day intake 8oz beef 24 whole eggs in addition to whatever i get in veggies carbs fish whatever
not dead yet
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
On a fat based diet, I will actually wake up and feel like I need liver or fish or coconut oil or butter, and a little bit of the right fat satiates. [/quote]
this sounds like complete nonsense sorry.
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Well the alternate possibility would be that people have no natural instinctual clue as to what kind of food to eat. Maybe its my mind playing tricks on me, but one thing is for sure, on a higher fat, lower carb diet, if I don’t track my calories continually, I still don’t overeat (I actually tend to eat lower than maintenance level calories). If I eat mostly carbs I will always over eat my caloric needs if I don’t track calories on the spot, but just add them up at the end of the day. [/quote]
fair enough and thanks for the response.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Heres my daily breakdown for what its worth.
Am Coffee with 3 eggs, 4-8oz lean meat, 1 cup of mixed nuts(Almonds, pistacios, peanuts) and 3 tbl of Chia seeds. Along with 3gr Dha, 2gr coconut oil, daily vitamins.
Am snack, Bell Pepper with natural peanut butter and 30gr whey shake.
Lunch, Unlimited Veggies, 4-6 oz lean meat and second coffee
mid snack, Veggies and cottage cheese
Dinner (pre training) 80 grams waxy maize or equivalent and 30 gr whey
Intra workout: Creatine, Citrulline, Taurine, Luecine, Iso L and Valine
Post: Whey
Before Bed Thick carbs and one last shake.
I have gone 13 days Ketogenic and the first 5 I was fuzzy-headed… but by day 13 I was shredded to a point i had never been before. I then to some sound advice and very very slowly added carbs every day until the point where i started to lose them in the a.m/. mirror. At that point i knew what my daily intake of carbs could would be so as to remain LEAN.
I have not had a blood panel done in a while so I think it is once again time !
Hope that this thread continues and I will probably get some blood work done around my birthday in three weeks.
So at the point I to will post…
Lets keep this one going !
for some reason I seem to be a threadkiller ; ([/quote]
brilliant thanks
i think it would be cool for fat fans to post up their diets in this thread