“I was thinking more like 4-7k calories above maintenance for the Mag-10, with 700+ grams of protein a day.”
pretty clear to me!
Ok, let’s get some things straight.
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I don’t know if I gain fat easily. I was quite fat before, but this does not mean I gain fat easily. I asked about this before, but people just called me an idiot.
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I recalculated my maintenance levels for during the Mag-10 cycle, and it came out to be 4348.
A while ago I did a short gaining cycle where I ate 6-7k calories a day, and I put on an inch on my chest and something like 1/4" on my arms…I don’t remember. And I didn’t put anything on my waist measurement.
Yes, I’d hope to get 9k+ calories a day total. Lots of protein…700+ grams a day.
Should I just eat a ton and then back off if I seem to be gaining a lot of fat?
“Is this a joke? Do you know how much food that is?”
Yeah, I do - seeing as I ate it and all XD
Hey neil, instead of telling us that you ate that much… tell us what a typical day’s diet would look like… then we will believe you… or well… maybe believe you
yeah im with Spencer i would like to see what 7k cals looks like and how spaced the meals are…
Sure, eating 7000 kcal a day isn’t that hard. All you have to do is drink ultra concentrated gatorade all day long. Yes, sledgehammering the system all day with many beverages containing a GI rating of 100 keeps a person hungry and insulin high. Sounds almost like the Skinny Bastard diet, except Neil, you aren’t skinny by normal standards. Many pro bodybuilders don’t even get close to stuffing down 7000 kcal a day, and they’ve got significantly more lbm than you, and to top it off, they’re on androgens that make mag-10 look pale in comparison. Best way to go is to listen to those with experience, namely, Bill Roberts.
Protein: 2 x lbm
Carbs: 2.5 x lbm
Fat: 0.5 x lbm
Start there and if you find this kcal requirement too low (not psychologically, but physiologically), increase carbs and protein by small increments.
Here’s what I was planning:
Gaining Cycle Plan (on)
Note: Alternate foods as often as possible.
6:00 Wake up
6:10 Breakfast (P+C)
Food:
o 12 oz lean grilled hamburger
o 2 yam
o 1/2 grapefruit
o 1 cup kombucha
Supplements:
o 3 Catalyn
o 6 Calcium Lactate
o 1 tbs CLO
o 1 tbs fish oil
o 250mg vitamin C (Acerola berry powder)
o 1 tbs bee pollen
o 3 BHCl (before meal)
6:30 Lift
o AM workout
7:00 Post-workout snack (P+C)
o 2 scoops Surge
o 2 protein shakes
o 2 digestive enzymes
7:30 Snack (while driving to work)
o 1 cup fruit mix (raw)
8:00 Snack (P+C)
o 2 chicken breasts
o 2 cups mashed yams
o 2 BHCl (before meal)
10:00 Snack (P+C)
o 8 oz lean grilled hamburger
o 1 cup mashed yams
o 3 Digestive enzymes (before meal)
o 250mg vitamin C (Acerola berry powder)
o 2 BHCl (before meal)
12:00 Lunch (P+F)
o 12 oz pot roast
o 3 BHCl (before meal)
o Snack on 1 cup seed mix for rest of day
o Snack on 1 cup nut mix for rest of day
2:00 Snack (P+F)
Food:
o Pemmican (partially raw)
o 1 BHCl (before meal)
Supplements:
o 6 Calcium Lactate
o 250mg vitamin C (Acerola berry powder)
o 1 tbs CLO
o 1/2 tbs butter
3:00 Go home
3:45 Snack
o 1 cup kombucha
o 1 serving Power Drive
4:00 Lift
o PM workout
Immediately before:
o 20g Grow! in water with 1 tbs gelatin
o 600mg phosphatidyl serine
o Mag-10
o 1 Allorganic Trace Minerals
o 500mg vitamin C (Acerola berry powder)
o 1 Digestive enzymes
During:
o 1.5 scoops Surge during
5:00 Post-workout
o 40g Grow! in water with 1 tbs gelatin
o 1.5 scoops Surge
o 10g creatine
o 1/2 cup boiled potatoes
o 1 tbs bee pollen (raw)
o 6 Digestive enzymes
6:00 Post-workout meal/Dinner (P+C)
o Example:
o 16 oz lean meat
o 1 cup saurkraut (raw)
o 2 potatoes/yams or beets
o 1 cup beet kvass (raw)
o Digestive enzymes (before meal)
o 5 BHCl (before meal)
7:00 Snack
o 1 cup chicken broth
8:00 Bed (P+F)
Food:
o 4 raw eggs (raw)
o Pemmican (partially raw)
Supplements:
o 1 tbs CLO
o 2 tsp flax oil
o 1 tbs fish oil
o 250mg vitamin C (Acerola berry powder)
o 1/2 tbs butter
o Magnesium Lactate
o Zinc Liver Chelate
1:00 Wake up for snack (P+F)
o Pemmican (partially raw)
Damn. Just damn.
You might want to cook those eggs, though, for obvious reasons and because the protein is more easily digested that way.
I hope you have a good job. That grocery bill must be insane.
700 grams of protien a day! Homeocistin(sp!) now approaching critcal levels!
I’m guessing going to the can is going to be fun. 700 grams of protien not to mention 9000 calories is going to make your life revolve around the toilet. Neil what are you going to stare the toilet down and trash talk it before you run screaming at it prepared for unholy war with the poopoo potty:
“Alright toilet you don’t like me and I don’t like you…(dramatic pause)… it’s go time!..Raaagghhhhhhhh!” 
Hey man, whatever works. If you’ve been able to handle that many cals/meal in the past w/out excessive fat gain, rock on. 65 g P at once in a 208 lb guy may be pushing it, but there’s only one way to find out. You’ve got the youth factor on your side. Everything looks good, but why not substitute some turkey, cottage cheese, tuna, yogurt, and protein bars since you are apparently a very wealthy man. I wish I could afford to eat like that. The Surge alone will cost you between 5 and 8.75 per day, depending on how much you pay.
Good topic for discussion though. I’m interested in people that push the caloric envelope, as I am starting massive eating tomorrow.
A little post by Tren-Freak, advising someone about how to eat during their first (steroid) cycle:
That’s too much food. As I said before, show us your calculations please. Besides, you don’t need to be eating that much in the first place anyways.
I know an ex-bodybuilder that worked his way up to 10,000 cals a day and stayed there for about a month or two for off-season. He was all-natural.
When I was talking to him, I learned that his first meal of the day was 2,000 calories. Damn.
Yeah, Neil, I have a feeling you’ll be spending more on TP every month than you’ll spend on rent.
I’d suggest getting some Metamucil as you’ll need it to make sure that food gets through you as efficiently as possible. Maybe you had it there in your diet and I didn’t see it as I just skimmed through it, but if you aren’t already planning on taking it, then take it. Or any other fiber supp for that matter.
Yeah Ike I read that as well. I have to agree with tren…one cause he’s smart. Two it makes sense. The anabolic/anti-catabolic properties of androgens/anabolics mean you can get away with more mistakes such as improper recovery. Along this line of thinking it is reasonable that you don’t have to glut yourself to gain lbm. 
what a crock of shit…
why oh why god?
Neil, you’ve pushed even me over the edge. You need to put your MAG-10 in the fridge until you are older. Then read the plan for success and everything you can on this website. Do this is in about two years. Nobody should be giving you advice on this supplement when you are 18. And we wonder why we might be losing supplements such as MAG-10.
CGB,
Well, what’s T-Mag’s stance on steroid use? They’re gonna use it, so why not let them know how to do it RIGHT?
Thanks for all the input, guys.
I dont know how many WWE fans are out there, but is it just me or does NeilG look like Al Snow from the back with that weak ponytail?
yo Neil make sure to take plenty of photos all along this Mag10 and 10K cal diet and keep them posted so we can see this transformation…thanks