Updated Blood Tests & Stroke

Pharma / TRT Testosterone Replacement
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Up until this last weekend I was on a weekly 200mg dosage of T-Cyponiate. I met with my doctor this morning and these were my latest results that I can remember.

  1. T-Level: 1,211 doc said it was high
  2. Free test: 440 doc said it was high
  3. I don’t recall the name of this measure but it began with an “M” and the doc said it is a measure of my blood level and the normal range was 33 to 55; my level was 53.

He said he wouldn’t be as concerned about my T-levels as much if that last result wasn’t so high compared to my last test and he said that I increase my chance of stroke if this continues to increase anymore.

He wants me to skip my next two dosages and meet him in two weeks with new bloodwork and hopefully everythng will have dropped and then we’ll cut down to a weekly dose of 100mg. I’m a little spooked about the stroke risk and even the potential to be taken of TRT completely. Nine months agao when I started my overall Test for only 292 (296? 290’ish) and I felt like ass all the time; I had many symptoms of T-Deficiency. I’m worried that he’s just going to tell me to quite altogether and I can’t go back to feeling like that again. My wife wasn’t very happy with me because I said I’d rather live one more year feeling excellent than living 20 more feeling like shit; needless to say she did not like that response.

Has anybody else been in a similar situation with their results?

Edit: Ooppps… forgot my stats

  1. 33 year’s old
  2. 6’0 tall / 222lbs
  3. Initial blood work (9months ago) put me in the 290’s.
  4. My last blood work showed a T-level of 1,400 with a 400mg bi-weekly dosage (so my levels are down)
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200mg a week is pretty darn high.

Have you checked for your E2 levels, Vitamin D levels, cortisol, ferritin, Thyroid functions, etc.?

how many days after your shot did you take the blood sample? f you are pumping in 200mg weekly and only getting up to 1,200 Total T (depending on the day), then I have to think that there is something else way off in your system (but that is just my opinion).

No idea what the “M” test result could be. Don’t you get copies of all of your blood test results? If not, call your doctor’s office and get them to fax them to you. You need to have those in your hands.

Are you on any other supplements or medications (HCG, Arimidex, vitamins, etc.)?

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[quote]PureChance wrote:
200mg a week is pretty darn high.

Have you checked for your E2 levels, Vitamin D levels, cortisol, ferritin, Thyroid functions, etc.?

how many days after your shot did you take the blood sample? f you are pumping in 200mg weekly and only getting up to 1,200 Total T (depending on the day), then I have to think that there is something else way off in your system (but that is just my opinion).

No idea what the “M” test result could be. Don’t you get copies of all of your blood test results? If not, call your doctor’s office and get them to fax them to you. You need to have those in your hands.

Are you on any other supplements or medications (HCG, Arimidex, vitamins, etc.)?[/quote]

The whole process has been up-and-down. My first doc had me on 200mg every two weeks and it was good for the first week then felt crappy mid-week of the 2nd week and then 400mg every two weeks and had the same results. I started going to a specialist and he wanted to try 200mg every week and see how it went. What he wants to do now is not inject this coming weekend, take new blood tests next week and meet the following week. I’m not sure if between now and next Wed is enough time for my levels to come down significantly. I have to go at least seven days prior to my appointment because Quest takes 7 to 10 days for Freee Testosterone results.

I’m fairly certain he did check all of those levels, sorry I was a bit rattled at the high-stroke risk statement when we looked at this, and he was good with everything else. I am definitely certain that my Thryoid function was checked.

I injected Sunday late morning and went in for the blood test Thursday evening at 4:30pm.

RE Vitamins / Supplements: Glucosmaine Chondritin, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin C, Omega 3, Surge Pre / Post Workout and Low Carb Metabolic Drive.

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so nothing to control the probable out of control aromatase of T to E which is more than likely what made you feel like crap… well that plus the whole bad bi-weekly or weekly shot schedule.

have you read any of the stickies or other thread with the recommended protocols?

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[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Up until this last weekend I was on a weekly 200mg dosage of T-Cyponiate. I met with my doctor this morning and these were my latest results that I can remember.

  1. T-Level: 1,211 doc said it was high
  2. Free test: 440 doc said it was high
  3. I don’t recall the name of this measure but it began with an “M” and the doc said it is a measure of my blood level and the normal range was 33 to 55; my level was 53.

He said he wouldn’t be as concerned about my T-levels as much if that last result wasn’t so high compared to my last test and he said that I increase my chance of stroke if this continues to increase anymore.

He wants me to skip my next two dosages and meet him in two weeks with new bloodwork and hopefully everythng will have dropped and then we’ll cut down to a weekly dose of 100mg. I’m a little spooked about the stroke risk and even the potential to be taken of TRT completely. Nine months agao when I started my overall Test for only 292 (296? 290’ish) and I felt like ass all the time; I had many symptoms of T-Deficiency. I’m worried that he’s just going to tell me to quite altogether and I can’t go back to feeling like that again. My wife wasn’t very happy with me because I said I’d rather live one more year feeling excellent than living 20 more feeling like shit; needless to say she did not like that response.

Has anybody else been in a similar situation with their results?

Edit: Ooppps… forgot my stats

  1. 33 year’s old
  2. 6’0 tall / 222lbs
  3. Initial blood work (9months ago) put me in the 290’s.
  4. My last blood work showed a T-level of 1,400 with a 400mg bi-weekly dosage (so my levels are down)[/quote]

Hematocrit? Hemaglobin? Test drives these up. You may need a phlebotomy.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Up until this last weekend I was on a weekly 200mg dosage of T-Cyponiate. I met with my doctor this morning and these were my latest results that I can remember.

  1. T-Level: 1,211 doc said it was high
  2. Free test: 440 doc said it was high
  3. I don’t recall the name of this measure but it began with an “M” and the doc said it is a measure of my blood level and the normal range was 33 to 55; my level was 53.

He said he wouldn’t be as concerned about my T-levels as much if that last result wasn’t so high compared to my last test and he said that I increase my chance of stroke if this continues to increase anymore.

He wants me to skip my next two dosages and meet him in two weeks with new bloodwork and hopefully everythng will have dropped and then we’ll cut down to a weekly dose of 100mg. I’m a little spooked about the stroke risk and even the potential to be taken of TRT completely. Nine months agao when I started my overall Test for only 292 (296? 290’ish) and I felt like ass all the time; I had many symptoms of T-Deficiency. I’m worried that he’s just going to tell me to quite altogether and I can’t go back to feeling like that again. My wife wasn’t very happy with me because I said I’d rather live one more year feeling excellent than living 20 more feeling like shit; needless to say she did not like that response.

Has anybody else been in a similar situation with their results?

Edit: Ooppps… forgot my stats

  1. 33 year’s old
  2. 6’0 tall / 222lbs
  3. Initial blood work (9months ago) put me in the 290’s.
  4. My last blood work showed a T-level of 1,400 with a 400mg bi-weekly dosage (so my levels are down)[/quote]

Hematocrit? Hemaglobin? Test drives these up. You may need a phlebotomy.
[/quote]

Hematocrit was the measure. My last blood test it was well within the lower end of normal and then I started taking the weekly 200mg and it jumped up. You don’t think that two weeks without an injection will lower it to a safe level?

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[quote]PureChance wrote:
so nothing to control the probable out of control aromatase of T to E which is more than likely what made you feel like crap… well that plus the whole bad bi-weekly or weekly shot schedule.

have you read any of the stickies or other thread with the recommended protocols?[/quote]

No, I started by going to my general practitioner and she didn’t really know a whole lot I don’t think. She actually wanted to give me 400mg once a month… ugh

I’ve read a little bit of the stickes so far, but I didn’t go back to read if this issue was addressed anywhere. I’m just hoping this comes down naturally and he doesn’t take me off the medication completely. I wanted to talk to him about some of the other stuff in the one sticky that address pregnelone but he just wanted to focus on this issue and then talk more in two weeks. Need to talk about Vasectomy too… :frowning:

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not having your own test results in your hand so that you can do your own research on your results = bad idea

relying 100% on your doctor for your treatment options = bad idea (just read the other threads to see why)

weekly shot = bad idea - rollcoaster ride of hormones and aromatase. yikes!

taking T without thinking about estradiol control = bad idea - especially at the levels you are talking. what do you think your body does will all of the excess T? The excess has to go somewhere, right? - so it gets converted to Estradiol or DHT.

taking T without thinking about HCG to maintain your testicles = bad idea

taking T without knowing if you are primary or secondary hypogonadism = bad idea. pituitary tumor may cause secondary which should be ruled out with an MRI - but it is too late now if your doctor didn’t run an LH test to start with.

taking T without testing Vit D, ferritin, Thyroid, cortisol, DHEA-S, Pregnenelone = possible bad idea as all of those play a role in hormone balance - and even if you fix your T you may not feel good if one of these is also off.

I would strongly recommend reading through all of the posts on this board, but it is your health - so you are free to do what you like - however I personally would run screaming from any doctor who wanted to put me on 400mg every other week - that is just a train wreck in the making.

I wish you the best of luck.

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[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Up until this last weekend I was on a weekly 200mg dosage of T-Cyponiate. I met with my doctor this morning and these were my latest results that I can remember.

  1. T-Level: 1,211 doc said it was high
  2. Free test: 440 doc said it was high
  3. I don’t recall the name of this measure but it began with an “M” and the doc said it is a measure of my blood level and the normal range was 33 to 55; my level was 53.

He said he wouldn’t be as concerned about my T-levels as much if that last result wasn’t so high compared to my last test and he said that I increase my chance of stroke if this continues to increase anymore.

He wants me to skip my next two dosages and meet him in two weeks with new bloodwork and hopefully everythng will have dropped and then we’ll cut down to a weekly dose of 100mg. I’m a little spooked about the stroke risk and even the potential to be taken of TRT completely. Nine months agao when I started my overall Test for only 292 (296? 290’ish) and I felt like ass all the time; I had many symptoms of T-Deficiency. I’m worried that he’s just going to tell me to quite altogether and I can’t go back to feeling like that again. My wife wasn’t very happy with me because I said I’d rather live one more year feeling excellent than living 20 more feeling like shit; needless to say she did not like that response.

Has anybody else been in a similar situation with their results?

Edit: Ooppps… forgot my stats

  1. 33 year’s old
  2. 6’0 tall / 222lbs
  3. Initial blood work (9months ago) put me in the 290’s.
  4. My last blood work showed a T-level of 1,400 with a 400mg bi-weekly dosage (so my levels are down)[/quote]

Hematocrit? Hemaglobin? Test drives these up. You may need a phlebotomy.
[/quote]

Hematocrit was the measure. My last blood test it was well within the lower end of normal and then I started taking the weekly 200mg and it jumped up. You don’t think that two weeks without an injection will lower it to a safe level?[/quote]

I get 200 mg every 2 weeks and use Androgel in the week before the shot to prevent the ‘rollercoaster’ effect. My hema’s both went back down on that protocol.

You’ll have to use 2 docs for this and not tell them what you’re doing. Use your insurance for the gel doc as its way more expensive.

Most of these docs are either criminals or criminally ignorant, as you’ll learn. (Sorry, I am VERY jaded by the process. :slight_smile:

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HH: Androgel even with my insurance is $200+ a month so that’s really not an option; I’d rather put that money towards more Anaconda Protocol. :smiley:

I’ve registered with the place I get my blood drawn at for secure testing result transfers, so I’ll be able to get them soon.

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[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
HH: Androgel even with my insurance is $200+ a month so that’s really not an option; I’d rather put that money towards more Anaconda Protocol. :smiley:

I’ve registered with the place I get my blood drawn at for secure testing result transfers, so I’ll be able to get them soon. [/quote]

If hematocrit gets near 60%, you’ll either need a phlebotomy or have to give up HRT. See how much a phleb is.

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Some men on TRT eat up the meds as fast as they take them Stress will do this or other hormones being low like Cortisol, Thyroid or Growth Hormone.

I am like this so I do shots every 3 days 80 mgs is = to a 200 mg. shot every week. I also do HCG the 2 days each in between my T shots 250 IU’s.

Doing this keeps my levels up my Estradiol levels down and my blood thinner.

If your Dehydrated when you do your labs your blood can look thinner. I drink a good 3 big glass’s of water the morning of my labs.

I feel Dr.'s over react to labs my Dr. use to do this until I crashed on him a few times due to bad lab mistakes. Now we never change my dose on one set of labs.

If I were you to be safe give blood don’t tell them your on TRT just give it. This is all you need to do then try doing your shots every 3 days I got this from Dr. Shippen he did the book “The Testosterone Syndrome” in this dated book he was down on shots now he give his self them every 3 days.
Phil

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It is all a balancing act.

I have been able to reduce my T dosage from 200mg a week to 120mg a week. I need less now that my Vit D is better, my cortisol is better, my ferritin and iron levels are better, etc. and I was able to stop Thyroid medication.

before my body was just eating the T and not doing much, now that all of my systems are in better balance (still far from perfect), I can use much less and still have the same results.