Untrained Fighter Beats Pro Boxer

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Yea thats true Aggv, I have a hard time imagining what its like cause I haven’t been a fight that serious ever I think.[/quote]

If you’re out of shape, which most people are, theyll be gassed and out of breath almost instantly during a fight. Just withstand the initial assault and then take care of the issue. A persons will to do anything, let alone fight, goes to shit when theyre gasping for air. [/quote]

Yea that makes. I’m thinking of fat kids at football camp…

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I’d believe, in a street fight anything can happen… too many variables.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.

I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]

this is dumb logic

you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]

And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.

This is a stupid argument.

But I am bored.

So carry on.

FIN[/quote]

There is an interesting question in there though.

Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
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Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…

But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.

In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

I agree. Most boxers will as well.

If a guy’s got a glass chin, there ain’t shit you can do about it. It’s not really something that can be “developed”… some folks think that working out your neck can help, but that never quite made sense to me.[/quote]

I wrestled, never did much striking sports at all (not a fan of getting punched). But I’ve heard some boxing and UFC commentators say that conditioning is key to recovery from a punch. Do you guys on here that have some experience boxing agree with that?
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To some extent sure.

If you’re huffing and puffing you’re going to be having trouble getting oxygen to the brain, let alone your muscles so moving out of the way in time for the next barrage of punches is going to be a lot harder.

I can tell you as an amateur I’ve narrowly lost two fights against a guy I really should’ve dominated simply because I didnt take my conditioning seriously enough and thought I could coast by on talent and skill alone.

It was the same both times I fought him, first round absolutely lit him up and had him in dire straits. 2nd round I gassed out and it turned into a slugfest brawl and continued like that until it ended up at a split decision in his favor both times.

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My second stepfather, a psychotic Viet Nam combat Marine with a collection of ears and amateur boxer, had the philosophy that, “the one who can take the most pain, wins”.

A philosophy he wasn’t shy about passing along to me with beatings and other fun physical “challenges” that led to many a visit to the hospital for me. But to be honest, there’s some truth to it. Learning how to deal with and becoming accustomed to the shock of physical pain can make the difference between keeping your head in a fight and going straight into a “fight or flight” adrenalin response.

When I was in prison, I was hit from behind with a lock in a sock. It knocked me down and actually fractured my skull a little - I still have a big scar and lump there to this day - but it didn’t knock me out. I saw stars for sure, and I felt my self slip away for a brief second, but then my willpower kicked in and, much to everyone’s surprise, I wiped the blood out of my eyes and came up swinging. But I wasn’t in a blind rage, I was fairly composed.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My second stepfather, a psychotic Viet Nam combat Marine with a collection of ears and amateur boxer, had the philosophy that, “the one who can take the most pain, wins”.

A philosophy he wasn’t shy about passing along to me with beatings and other fun physical “challenges” that led to many a visit to the hospital for me. But to be honest, there’s some truth to it. Learning how to deal with and becoming accustomed to the shock of physical pain can make the difference between keeping your head in a fight and going straight into a “fight or flight” adrenalin response.

When I was in prison, I was hit from behind with a lock in a sock. It knocked me down and actually fractured my skull a little - I still have a big scar and lump there to this day - but it didn’t knock me out. I saw stars for sure, and I felt my self slip away for a brief second, but then my willpower kicked in and, much to everyone’s surprise, I wiped the blood out of my eyes and came up swinging. But I wasn’t in a blind rage, I was fairly composed.[/quote]

I agree. Not with your step father’s approach obviously (sorry to hear that man), but there is some truth to the idea.

People adapt to what they are exposed to on a regular basis. This may not apply to having a glass chin, but many real world violent encounters aren’t decided by a clean, true knockout shot so much as a telling blow that causes one party to lose his composure/will to fight.

I’ve been in a fairly rough and tumble profession (tree work) for the past ten years. Pretty much daily I’m straining, struggling and fighting with large unruly objects (trees) and getting banged up, cut, scraped, bruised, burnt and generally knocked around in the process. I do fight sports/reality martial arts for fun and I find that getting hit just doesn’t bother me much. It’s kind of “another day at the office”.

So, while there may be nothing you can really do about whatever physiology makes for a glass chin, but you can definitely work on the psychological factors that cause you to lose it after taking a meaningful but survivable shot.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.

I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]

this is dumb logic

you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]

And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.

This is a stupid argument.

But I am bored.

So carry on.

FIN[/quote]

There is an interesting question in there though.

Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]

Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…

But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.

In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

I agree. Most boxers will as well.

If a guy’s got a glass chin, there ain’t shit you can do about it. It’s not really something that can be “developed”… some folks think that working out your neck can help, but that never quite made sense to me.[/quote]

I wrestled, never did much striking sports at all (not a fan of getting punched). But I’ve heard some boxing and UFC commentators say that conditioning is key to recovery from a punch. Do you guys on here that have some experience boxing agree with that?
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I never thought it made much of a difference.

Some guys can take a shot, some can’t. I don’t think lung capacity or anything else has anything to do with it, being as you don’t have to be huffing and puffing to get knocked out - a good shot can just come from an angle you don’t expect and the next thing you know, you’re on the ground.

Two different systems at work, in my opinion.

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It happens.

That said, whatever the niceties of the argument, who would you rather have to fight? Some fat guy who can’t go three rounds without gassing or somebody who can?

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[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
It happens.

That said, whatever the niceties of the argument, who would you rather have to fight? Some fat guy who can’t go three rounds without gassing or somebody who can?

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My answer may change if this all goes down in an elevator

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
It happens.

That said, whatever the niceties of the argument, who would you rather have to fight? Some fat guy who can’t go three rounds without gassing or somebody who can?

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My answer may change if this all goes down in an elevator[/quote]

Or a phone booth.[/quote]

HA!!
The sad part is I actually remember those on every other block in NYC…old man walking.

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I think the whole glass jaw thing is a bit of overkill. If you get punched hard in the face (sans gloves), you aint getting back up. I think sometimes an indirect angle causes the fist to kind of slip off the face, but if its a direct hit and your head takes the full grunt of it, your pretty fucked.

My Dad always said If someone’s fucking with you then you’ve gotta first one in, because you wont see it coming, even if he’s standing plain in front of you. I’ve seen it many times. Guy gets picked by some scumdog, and is not keen to fight, so he just stands there trying to talk him down while the psycho is amping himself up to punch him. Then he does. Lights out.
Slap the bastard or get the hell out of there lol

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[quote]Mitch87 wrote:
I think the whole glass jaw thing is a bit of overkill. If you get punched hard in the face (sans gloves), you aint getting back up. I think sometimes an indirect angle causes the fist to kind of slip off the face, but if its a direct hit and your head takes the full grunt of it, your pretty fucked.

My Dad always said If someone’s fucking with you then you’ve gotta first one in, because you wont see it coming, even if he’s standing plain in front of you. I’ve seen it many times. Guy gets picked by some scumdog, and is not keen to fight, so he just stands there trying to talk him down while the psycho is amping himself up to punch him. Then he does. Lights out.
Slap the bastard or get the hell out of there lol[/quote]

Your dad is a smart dude.

Very often, it’s the guy who hits first that wins, because he’s got an immediate advantage.

If someone gets the drop on you it’s tough as shit to recover when you’re not in the ring.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Mitch87 wrote:
I think the whole glass jaw thing is a bit of overkill. If you get punched hard in the face (sans gloves), you aint getting back up. I think sometimes an indirect angle causes the fist to kind of slip off the face, but if its a direct hit and your head takes the full grunt of it, your pretty fucked.

My Dad always said If someone’s fucking with you then you’ve gotta first one in, because you wont see it coming, even if he’s standing plain in front of you. I’ve seen it many times. Guy gets picked by some scumdog, and is not keen to fight, so he just stands there trying to talk him down while the psycho is amping himself up to punch him. Then he does. Lights out.
Slap the bastard or get the hell out of there lol[/quote]

Your dad is a smart dude.

Very often, it’s the guy who hits first that wins, because he’s got an immediate advantage.

If someone gets the drop on you it’s tough as shit to recover when you’re not in the ring.[/quote]

Agreed. But I gotta say that it’s a mistake to allow yourself to believe that you’re just plain fucked if the other guy happens to land the first punch (or stab or GSW for that matter). It can become a self-fulfilling prophecy as the mind guides the body. FTR, I don’t think this is what you were getting at, Irish.

Ideally don’t be there in the first place, if you’ve got a choice. Failing that, be first, be fast, be fierce. Failing that stay in the fight mentally no matter how hopeless it seems (see AC’s example above).

Sometimes we’re unbelievably fragile or just plain unlucky and other times we can absorb seemingly inhuman amounts of punishment and go on to prevail. No way to know which it’s gonna be on any given day until the dust settles.

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Batman, spot on man.