On the flip side I’ve heard of a 70kg boxer being taken on by 6 guys much bigger than him and beating the shit out of all of them… again all just hearsay…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
Saying you “see no value” just because of one instance is foolish.
There are more than enough instances where professional or amateur boxers fucked up people on the street to justify the time spent if you happen to enjoy the sport.
Off the top of my head, Mike Tyson, Arturo Gatti, Kelly Pavlik, Micky Ward, Dicky Eklund, and many local fighters I know personally all have gotten into trouble for seriously hurting civilians.
Sonny Liston was a collector for the mob, Jake LaMotta was brutal on everyone including women, Roberto Duran was a wrecking machine outside the ring who knocked out a horse.
One of my favorite videos making the rounds now shows one such incident clearly… size is a facade, and unless you’re putting on muscle around your chin, your size is not going to help you much.
http://www.break.com/video/retired-boxers-end-street-fights-quickly-2442704[/quote]
That reminds me of a vid I saw a year or two ago of a big dude slapping a woman outside of a bar who’s behavior wasn’t accepted by a UFC champion. I don’t remember the exact escalation, but random guy slept on the asphalt that night.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
If the person knows how to fight or just doesn’t care, he won’t think twice. Plenty of people have gotten bigger muscles thinking it will mean something more than having bigger muscles only to find out that weights don’t build heart. The skinny dude with cauliflower ears and a messed up nose who is smaller than I would make me think twice more than a muscular dude who was bigger. [/quote]
You’re missing the point…
I would easily beat the shit out of the old me.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
Saying you “see no value” just because of one instance is foolish.
There are more than enough instances where professional or amateur boxers fucked up people on the street to justify the time spent if you happen to enjoy the sport.
Off the top of my head, Mike Tyson, Arturo Gatti, Kelly Pavlik, Micky Ward, Dicky Eklund, and many local fighters I know personally all have gotten into trouble for seriously hurting civilians.
Sonny Liston was a collector for the mob, Jake LaMotta was brutal on everyone including women, Roberto Duran was a wrecking machine outside the ring who knocked out a horse.
One of my favorite videos making the rounds now shows one such incident clearly… size is a facade, and unless you’re putting on muscle around your chin, your size is not going to help you much.
http://www.break.com/video/retired-boxers-end-street-fights-quickly-2442704[/quote]
Yes and in how many of those instances did the pro start the fight? …none
If you are trained, and you’re out and about, don’t you feel extra pressure to protect yourself and make sure you never get beat? To justify your years of training.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Yes and in how many of those instances did the pro start the fight? …none
[/quote]
LOL really? None? That’s not exactly true. Kelly Pavlik beat up a bouncer as I recall, and Dicky Eklund’s issues stemmed from massive drug abuse, so most of them were probably his fault.
Also, Floyd Mayweather Sr. and Bernard Hopkins were REALLY well known for streetfighting, especially early in their careers. Floyd Sr. got shot in the leg at one point, which ended his career.
Fact is, fighters fight. Simple as that. And they’re generally good at it.
Not really. First of all, boxing is a sport I happen to enjoy, and I do it because I enjoy it. The fact that it might help out in tough spots is a plus, but it’s not the focus of the thing.
Plus I’ve been around the block, and I know that no matter what kind of training you do or how you prepare, there’s some situations where you’re just fucked. Lot of times you just hope for the best.
Kinda like wearing a seatbelt. In 9 our of 10 small accidents that thing will save your life, but if you get blindsided by a tractor trailer, well, nothing is gonna help you at that point.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
I think that was the same right hand he knocked out Roger Mayweather with![/quote]
hahah true.
Black Mamba had nothin’ on that…
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
Yes
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]
There is a whole lot to getting past the first punch to the face you ever get and realizing that nothing really bad happened.
Truth of the matter is that most people may only get into a couple of scuffles in their life, usually with someone else of about the same caliber.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]
There is a whole lot to getting past the first punch to the face you ever get and realizing that nothing really bad happened.
Truth of the matter is that most people may only get into a couple of scuffles in their life, usually with someone else of about the same caliber.
[/quote]
I used to box competitively. I still go to the gym and spar every now and then.
The first thing I was shown before I started sparring was getting used to being hit and SEEING punching. You have to get that ‘flinch’ drilled out of you that comes so natural. Some people never get the hang of it (and quit the sport). My coach would go light, but it was over and over again. Moving your head, lead shoulder, blocking, parrying and YES, getting hit.
I think people are discounting the type of fight that can occur. Most fights involve shoving back and forth or brawler type tactics. The few that are “standing fights” usually don’t last like that for long.
As a trained fighter you really can’t be picking fights. Legally you can get in a lot of crap for it. But on the same token, being trained in most cases you can do serious damage to your opponent. You can take the fight out of someone if you smash their knee, regardless of size. Most don’t look at your feet or what you’re doing, they look at your upper body only.
I’ve never been in a drunken brawl as that’s not my scene. All scenarios I’ve been in, I was fully aware and always in control. But you have to keep in mind that there is always someone better, and even worse, you don’t know the extent to which your opponent is willing to go to “win.” I’d rather avoid a fight altogether and stay away from scenarios that could cause one. I don’t forsee a fight happening at the grocery store, but at a bar during a rival game or being the “biggest guy in the bar” with a little dude with a big attitude, yea your odds just skyrocketed.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]
I agree. Most boxers will as well.
If a guy’s got a glass chin, there ain’t shit you can do about it. It’s not really something that can be “developed”… some folks think that working out your neck can help, but that never quite made sense to me.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]
I agree. Most boxers will as well.
If a guy’s got a glass chin, there ain’t shit you can do about it. It’s not really something that can be “developed”… some folks think that working out your neck can help, but that never quite made sense to me.[/quote]
I wrestled, never did much striking sports at all (not a fan of getting punched). But I’ve heard some boxing and UFC commentators say that conditioning is key to recovery from a punch. Do you guys on here that have some experience boxing agree with that?
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
this is one of the reasons i see no value in combat training…one slip up and all your years of work go DOWN THE DRAIN.
I’d rather people see my size and think twice about trying to start a fight…or having enough size to where its hardER for them to hurt me. (assuming worst case scenario).[/quote]
this is dumb logic
you could spend years training and spending money on steroids and whatever the fuck else and have your week ruined by some ghetto ass kid who weighs 140lbs wringing wet, does that make all your weight training pointless?[/quote]
And if you ARE the huge guy, good luck ever hearing the end about your big muscles and glass chin. Your friends, if they’re like my friends, will be merciless.
This is a stupid argument.
But I am bored.
So carry on.
FIN[/quote]
There is an interesting question in there though.
Can you train taking it or is that just something you are born with?
[/quote]
Your born with it. You may be able to ‘develop’ it to a degree through constant sparring and learning how to ‘take’ punches…
But your just born with it. Guys like Ray Mercer, Marvin Hagler, David Tua… you could hit those dudes with bricks… It’s God given.
In my opinion it’s a combination of how you are built- both physically and mentally.[/quote]
I agree. Most boxers will as well.
If a guy’s got a glass chin, there ain’t shit you can do about it. It’s not really something that can be “developed”… some folks think that working out your neck can help, but that never quite made sense to me.[/quote]
I wrestled, never did much striking sports at all (not a fan of getting punched). But I’ve heard some boxing and UFC commentators say that conditioning is key to recovery from a punch. Do you guys on here that have some experience boxing agree with that?
[/quote]
I dont have any real experience with it, but it would be a lot easier to get up if you’re not gasping for air. If you get knocked the fuck out it really doesnt matter.
Yea thats true Aggv, I have a hard time imagining what its like cause I haven’t been a fight that serious ever I think.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Yea thats true Aggv, I have a hard time imagining what its like cause I haven’t been a fight that serious ever I think.[/quote]
If you’re out of shape, which most people are, theyll be gassed and out of breath almost instantly during a fight. Just withstand the initial assault and then take care of the issue. A persons will to do anything, let alone fight, goes to shit when theyre gasping for air.
From personal and training experience, if a “street fight” or survival situation , (not a combat operation), goes longer than ONE minute, then you are in very serious trouble. Decide on a course of action, fight or flight, then act.