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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Renovator wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Sure is a lot of hoopla over .00333 of the population (1/30,000), using the most generous of statistics. (The most reliable show 1/100,000.)

http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/prevalence.htm[/quote]

Just to be clear
0.0033%
or
0.000033
So, yeah, a small fraction.
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Yes, you are correct. Post often via iPhone and the “%” symbol is 3 menus down, so I whiffed it. 1/30,000.

Jews make up ~1.8 of the population of the USA (that is: 1.8/100 vs. 1/30,000), thus being 545.45% more likely to be encountered than a transsexual.

And yet, I don’t see demands for Kosher kitchens and eating areas in all public schools and places of public accommodation (and there should not be), like there are demands for “other” bathrooms.

In short, this hoopla has zero to do with anything rational.

It’s a distraction, and designedly so.
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So true. The gay rights mafia seems to be pacified with their own issues, and are now setting sights on transgender acceptance.

It’s been well established in society that if someone says anything which is not heaping praise and full on acceptance of gays; they’re labeled some horrible bigot.

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

hmmm. What if you help them go see counseling and to deal with their issues with gender, but think that altering their hormone profile and physical features in that degree is a bad choice? (Basically support them in any way possible, except the extreme body modification?)

*not saying I give a shit what people do to themselves on their own dime, just trying to find the “youz a bigot” line in the sand here. Tumbldr & facebook is serious business…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

hmmm. What if you help them go see counseling and to deal with their issues with gender, but think that altering their hormone profile and physical features in that degree is a bad choice? (Basically support them in any way possible, except the extreme body modification?)

*not saying I give a shit what people do to themselves on their own dime, just trying to find the “youz a bigot” line in the sand here. Tumbldr & facebook is serious business… [/quote]

I’m not a social justice warrior so i cant answer, but i personally see nothing wrong with what you described.

You did describe something which was not 100% acceptance, support, and proud proclamation so im assuming the justice warriors would have an issue with you.

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bruce could earn close to $500 million over the next 10 years…

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

bruce could earn close to $500 million over the next 10 years… [/quote]

Makeup that can make a dude look like a chick is impressive makeup.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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dude, if your new girlfriend used to be a dude and you can see past it, then good for you. I’m sure you’ll be very happy together.

If you love him, then run to him.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Yes, you are correct. Post often via iPhone and the “%” symbol is 3 menus down, so I whiffed it. 1/30,000.

Jews make up ~1.8 of the population of the USA (that is: 1.8/100 vs. 1/30,000), thus being 545.45% more likely to be encountered than a transsexual.

And yet, I don’t see demands for Kosher kitchens and eating areas in all public schools and places of public accommodation (and there should not be), like there are demands for “other” bathrooms.

In short, this hoopla has zero to do with anything rational.

It’s a distraction, and designedly so.
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Yeah, I figured you had the numbers down (totally understand the iPhone menu reason)
Didn’t want to come across as a smartass. Just thought a lot of times people read numbers and accept without a reality check, and then they’d mis-interpret just how small a number it really is. (I must be some sort of pedant)

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I’m thinking that’d be a pretty weird first date if she came out with ‘Oh, by the way, I used to be a guy…is that a problem?’ I mean Sweet Zombie Jesus, it took her God knows how long to come to terms with it and I’m supposed to be cool from the opening bounce? I think that’s asking a bit much.

I’m trying to work out if a worse first date conversation would be if she said ‘I just can’t wait to have our babies!’.

Perhaps we could wait until the third date before we start sharing at this level. Lets get to know each other first off.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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Your initial premise is predicated on the acceptance that “A woman in a (man’s) body” is not a psychological issue when it is inherently a psychological issue. The premise on which your argument is built is wrong. I get that you’re trying to say gender identity is largely a construct of society (and to an extent I agree) but it’s still a psychological issue no matter how you look at it.

Now, your 2nd paragraph is predicated on a lie. The person having sex with the tranny is under the assumption that this is a naturally born female with parts assigned by natural development. Regardless of how it feels, it is NOT what the guy presumed and it’s irrelevant that the tranny’s new vagina feels natural, it’s not. It was not formed by nature and it is, indeed, a mutilated penis no matter how you look at it. It is biologically a mutilated penis. To answer your question “Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina?” Yes, That is indeed what it is. A mutilated penis. Even if you dressed it up and sprayed eau de twat all up in that orifice, it’s still just a pussy smelling mutilated penis. I dress my dogs up as cats for Halloween, they’re not cats all of a sudden, they’re dogs dressed up as cats.

To your 2nd question: “What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.” Well, this biological man now has fake tits and a mutilated penis. Maybe butt implants to give the facade of baby bearing hips. Regardless, that person is STILL biologically a man. You can not change that regardless of how this person identifies and acts. You can not surgically change a “Y” chromosome. Shit’s impossible in today’s scientific environment. So, in essence, this is inherently a psychological issue. Good or bad is not for me to say, but there’s no way around this fact.

I just want to point out, it’s not necessarily the fact that this biological man chooses to identify and act as (what he perceives to be) a woman that is/was the problem in this show. The problem was they chose not to be upfront and honest about their past for a substantial period of time which is deceitful and the boyfriend WAS betrayed by this willful act.

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Mutilated Penis…really? A little bit overwrought don’t you think?

So if a surgeon harvests some of my hamstrings to rebuild my ACL, is it my hamstring or my ACL that’s now mutilated? Both?

If the girl has fake tits installed…has she mutilated her breasts?

Its just a surgical reassignment.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

hmmm. What if you help them go see counseling and to deal with their issues with gender,

but think that altering their hormone profile and physical features in that degree is a bad choice?

(Basically support them in any way possible, except the extreme body modification?)

*not saying I give a shit what people do to themselves on their own dime, just trying to find the “youz a bigot” line in the sand here. Tumbldr & facebook is serious business… [/quote]

So basically they’re just bodybuilders on gear, right?

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[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
I’m thinking that’d be a pretty weird first date if she came out with ‘Oh, by the way, I used to be a guy…is that a problem?’ I mean Sweet Zombie Jesus, it took her God knows how long to come to terms with it and I’m supposed to be cool from the opening bounce? I think that’s asking a bit much.

I’m trying to work out if a worse first date conversation would be if she said ‘I just can’t wait to have our babies!’.

Perhaps we could wait until the third date before we start sharing at this level. Lets get to know each other first off.[/quote]

Sometimes an assumption is so widespread and so fundamental to an interaction that not correcting it is inherently dishonest. If I offer you a brownie, you assume that it’s not made out of dog shit. If I don’t tell you it’s made out of dog shit, then I am being dishonest. I have withheld information that a rational person would not assume and most people would consider fundamental to you making your decision in the interaction.

Lest you think I’m exaggerating, consider that likely many men would rather eat dog shit than have sex with a tranny.

Admittedly, you’re only suggesting withholding the information for a couple dates and presumably not having sex, but that’s sort of like letting the person smell and hold the brownie. You’re letting him gather information to make a decision, while withholding information that would probably make gathering that information not only unnecessary but repulsive to him.

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[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
Mutilated Penis…really? A little bit overwrought don’t you think?

So if a surgeon harvests some of my hamstrings to rebuild my ACL, is it my hamstring or my ACL that’s now mutilated? Both?

If the girl has fake tits installed…has she mutilated her breasts?

Its just a surgical reassignment.[/quote]

lol, okay…

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.
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This is a psychological issue. That is all.

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[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
I’m thinking that’d be a pretty weird first date if she came out with ‘Oh, by the way, I used to be a guy…is that a problem?’ I mean Sweet Zombie Jesus, it took her God knows how long to come to terms with it and I’m supposed to be cool from the opening bounce? I think that’s asking a bit much.

I’m trying to work out if a worse first date conversation would be if she said ‘I just can’t wait to have our babies!’.

Perhaps we could wait until the third date before we start sharing at this level. Lets get to know each other first off.[/quote]

Sometimes an assumption is so widespread and so fundamental to an interaction that not correcting it is inherently dishonest. If I offer you a brownie, you assume that it’s not made out of dog shit. If I don’t tell you it’s made out of dog shit, then I am being dishonest. I have withheld information that a rational person would not assume and most people would consider fundamental to you making your decision in the interaction.

Lest you think I’m exaggerating, consider that likely many men would rather eat dog shit than have sex with a tranny.

Admittedly, you’re only suggesting withholding the information for a couple dates and presumably not having sex, but that’s sort of like letting the person smell and hold the brownie. You’re letting him gather information to make a decision, while withholding information that would probably make gathering that information not only unnecessary but repulsive to him. [/quote]

I think a middle ground might be a conversation on a first date about LBGTetc issues. If he expresses disgust, he’s not the man for tranny you. If he expresses openness, maybe.

I don’t see how anyone would get through a first date without at least touching on the two or three most important issues in their life. So my first dates are going to hear about my work, my family, and possibly running and lifting. If I were trans I’m sure that would be a huge part of my life. I might not disclose, but I would certainly make clear that I’m political in that direction.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.[/quote]

I’m not sure that is even possible. I don’t assume this issue, choices involved or process is at all easy, nor wiped away and dealt with that succinctly. But I’m not a profession.

[quote]Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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Great. Doesn’t mean I’m not totally not attracted to them now that I know though.

Herpes aren’t always presenting and obvious. It’d be like finding out they had herpes. I wouldn’t want to be with them anymore.

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[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

If the girl has fake tits installed…has she mutilated her breasts?

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yes. Mutilate has a negative connotation, but it is what it is.

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[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

hmmm. What if you help them go see counseling and to deal with their issues with gender,

but think that altering their hormone profile and physical features in that degree is a bad choice?

(Basically support them in any way possible, except the extreme body modification?)

*not saying I give a shit what people do to themselves on their own dime, just trying to find the “youz a bigot” line in the sand here. Tumbldr & facebook is serious business… [/quote]

So basically they’re just bodybuilders on gear, right?[/quote]

Sure. Good analogy, assuming you’re referring to the true “freaks” in bodybuilding and not someone bringing a more “classic” look to the stage. But the extreme dieting of either is on par, sure.