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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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Your initial premise is predicated on the acceptance that “A woman in a (man’s) body” is not a psychological issue when it is inherently a psychological issue. The premise on which your argument is built is wrong. I get that you’re trying to say gender identity is largely a construct of society (and to an extent I agree) but it’s still a psychological issue no matter how you look at it.

Now, your 2nd paragraph is predicated on a lie. The person having sex with the tranny is under the assumption that this is a naturally born female with parts assigned by natural development. Regardless of how it feels, it is NOT what the guy presumed and it’s irrelevant that the tranny’s new vagina feels natural, it’s not. It was not formed by nature and it is, indeed, a mutilated penis no matter how you look at it. It is biologically a mutilated penis. To answer your question “Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina?” Yes, That is indeed what it is. A mutilated penis. Even if you dressed it up and sprayed eau de twat all up in that orifice, it’s still just a pussy smelling mutilated penis. I dress my dogs up as cats for Halloween, they’re not cats all of a sudden, they’re dogs dressed up as cats.

To your 2nd question: “What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.” Well, this biological man now has fake tits and a mutilated penis. Maybe butt implants to give the facade of baby bearing hips. Regardless, that person is STILL biologically a man. You can not change that regardless of how this person identifies and acts. You can not surgically change a “Y” chromosome. Shit’s impossible in today’s scientific environment. So, in essence, this is inherently a psychological issue. Good or bad is not for me to say, but there’s no way around this fact.

I just want to point out, it’s not necessarily the fact that this biological man chooses to identify and act as (what he perceives to be) a woman that is/was the problem in this show. The problem was they chose not to be upfront and honest about their past for a substantial period of time which is deceitful and the boyfriend WAS betrayed by this willful act.[/quote]

It was stated that the transexual women and everyone else thought the guy knew so it can’t be an honesty issue.

The thing about the psychological issue was a reason to not date the transexual because you didn’t want to deal with the emotionnal baggage that comes with. Let’s say the transexual women who was unhappy as a man is now perfectly happy as a women and is now over it.

Being a woman in a man body may be psychological, biological or both and I am not trying to say gender is a society construct or not. I am only adressing a perception issue.

Let’s say you had a really nice cat that does everything a cat does and even better. You really love cat and it is the best cat you ever had. You would be crushed forever if your cat disappeared. Someone tells you one day your cat was born a dog. You would have never found out if this person didn’t tell you. You really hate dogs and you are disgusted by them on a very deep level. What do you do?

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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dude, if your new girlfriend used to be a dude and you can see past it, then good for you. I’m sure you’ll be very happy together.

If you love him, then run to him.[/quote]

Once again Yogi guy can’t read everything. Better do some more yoga meditation to work on your attention. I don’t mind that comment, I only respond because it’s you.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Let’s say you had a really nice cat that does everything a cat does and even better. You really love cat and it is the best cat you ever had. You would be crushed forever if your cat disappeared. Someone tells you one day your cat was born a dog. You would have never found out if this person didn’t tell you. You really hate dogs and you are disgusted by them on a very deep level. What do you do?[/quote]

You don’t have sex with your cat. Sex is arguably the most intimate act one could possibly do with another. I’m not attracted to, or interested in being sexually intimate with someone who has undergone this procedure. And I’m not going to be in a relationship with someone I don’t want to have sex with.

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[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:

So basically they’re just bodybuilders on gear, right?[/quote]

Back to this. I don’t find female bodybuilders on gear attractive. I don’t care that they do what they do, which is in a lot of ways, mutilate their body, but I don’t care to have sex with them.

Trans people are the same deal. I hope they are happy and have found some semblance of peace in their life. And I don’t give a shit what someone does with themselves on their own dime. But I don’t want to have sex or be intimate with them.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Now, if you dont fully accept someone with severe psychological issues and a mutilated body you’re going to be a horrible racist bigot…[/quote]

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What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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dude, if your new girlfriend used to be a dude and you can see past it, then good for you. I’m sure you’ll be very happy together.

If you love him, then run to him.[/quote]

Once again Yogi guy can’t read everything. Better do some more yoga meditation to work on your attention. I don’t mind that comment, I only respond because it’s you.
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Dude, I was trying to be nice!

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Let’s say you had a really nice cat that does everything a cat does and even better. You really love cat and it is the best cat you ever had. You would be crushed forever if your cat disappeared. Someone tells you one day your cat was born a dog. You would have never found out if this person didn’t tell you. You really hate dogs and you are disgusted by them on a very deep level. What do you do?[/quote]

You don’t have sex with your cat. Sex is arguably the most intimate act one could possibly do with another. I’m not attracted to, or interested in being sexually intimate with someone who has undergone this procedure. And I’m not going to be in a relationship with someone I don’t want to have sex with. [/quote]

but what if you DID have sex with your cat, only to later find out it was born a male cat?

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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Your initial premise is predicated on the acceptance that “A woman in a (man’s) body” is not a psychological issue when it is inherently a psychological issue. The premise on which your argument is built is wrong. I get that you’re trying to say gender identity is largely a construct of society (and to an extent I agree) but it’s still a psychological issue no matter how you look at it.

Now, your 2nd paragraph is predicated on a lie. The person having sex with the tranny is under the assumption that this is a naturally born female with parts assigned by natural development. Regardless of how it feels, it is NOT what the guy presumed and it’s irrelevant that the tranny’s new vagina feels natural, it’s not. It was not formed by nature and it is, indeed, a mutilated penis no matter how you look at it. It is biologically a mutilated penis. To answer your question “Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina?” Yes, That is indeed what it is. A mutilated penis. Even if you dressed it up and sprayed eau de twat all up in that orifice, it’s still just a pussy smelling mutilated penis. I dress my dogs up as cats for Halloween, they’re not cats all of a sudden, they’re dogs dressed up as cats.

To your 2nd question: “What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.” Well, this biological man now has fake tits and a mutilated penis. Maybe butt implants to give the facade of baby bearing hips. Regardless, that person is STILL biologically a man. You can not change that regardless of how this person identifies and acts. You can not surgically change a “Y” chromosome. Shit’s impossible in today’s scientific environment. So, in essence, this is inherently a psychological issue. Good or bad is not for me to say, but there’s no way around this fact.

I just want to point out, it’s not necessarily the fact that this biological man chooses to identify and act as (what he perceives to be) a woman that is/was the problem in this show. The problem was they chose not to be upfront and honest about their past for a substantial period of time which is deceitful and the boyfriend WAS betrayed by this willful act.[/quote]

It was stated that the transexual women and everyone else thought the guy knew so it can’t be an honesty issue.

The thing about the psychological issue was a reason to not date the transexual because you didn’t want to deal with the emotionnal baggage that comes with. Let’s say the transexual women who was unhappy as a man is now perfectly happy as a women and is now over it.

Being a woman in a man body may be psychological, biological or both and I am not trying to say gender is a society construct or not. I am only adressing a perception issue.

Let’s say you had a really nice cat that does everything a cat does and even better. You really love cat and it is the best cat you ever had. You would be crushed forever if your cat disappeared. Someone tells you one day your cat was born a dog. You would have never found out if this person didn’t tell you. You really hate dogs and you are disgusted by them on a very deep level. What do you do?[/quote]

That might be the worst attempt at an analogy I’ve ever seen. In this scenario, you’re comparing a transgender HUMAN fully capable of communication and complex thought past the point of “Should I shit on the rug or not?” with that of two different species (women are not a different species from men, no matter what any feminist tells you) incapable of comprehension of as gender identity not to mention specie identity never mind being able to communicate as such.

I also do not buy the “I thought you knew” defense. That’s a fucking cop out and it’s bullshit. You’re in a relationship with someone who’s never mentioned such an enormous event such as your gender reassignment and you just think they’re hunky dory about the situation because all your friends know? Get the fuck outta here with that line of garbage. The tranny knew dude didn’t know but didn’t want to mess up a good thing. Either that or he (the tranny) is completely fuckin’ self-centered not to notice his S.O. has never mentioned the life altering surgery and is not at all curious about that part of your past life? Again, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. No matter how you look at it, there’s a shit ton of deceit going on and no cat/dog analogy will convince me otherwise.

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Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well…

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Lol, Jesus…

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

What if the person has no psychological issue at the moment and is perfectly happy as a woman? A woman in a men body.

Initially the person was having sex with the transgender woman and liking it. Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina? What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.
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Your initial premise is predicated on the acceptance that “A woman in a (man’s) body” is not a psychological issue when it is inherently a psychological issue. The premise on which your argument is built is wrong. I get that you’re trying to say gender identity is largely a construct of society (and to an extent I agree) but it’s still a psychological issue no matter how you look at it.

Now, your 2nd paragraph is predicated on a lie. The person having sex with the tranny is under the assumption that this is a naturally born female with parts assigned by natural development. Regardless of how it feels, it is NOT what the guy presumed and it’s irrelevant that the tranny’s new vagina feels natural, it’s not. It was not formed by nature and it is, indeed, a mutilated penis no matter how you look at it. It is biologically a mutilated penis. To answer your question “Now something become mutilated because it was the result of an operation even if it looks like a normal woman vagina?” Yes, That is indeed what it is. A mutilated penis. Even if you dressed it up and sprayed eau de twat all up in that orifice, it’s still just a pussy smelling mutilated penis. I dress my dogs up as cats for Halloween, they’re not cats all of a sudden, they’re dogs dressed up as cats.

To your 2nd question: “What about everything else that is the result of an operation? Remember you thought it was a normal vagina in the beggining.” Well, this biological man now has fake tits and a mutilated penis. Maybe butt implants to give the facade of baby bearing hips. Regardless, that person is STILL biologically a man. You can not change that regardless of how this person identifies and acts. You can not surgically change a “Y” chromosome. Shit’s impossible in today’s scientific environment. So, in essence, this is inherently a psychological issue. Good or bad is not for me to say, but there’s no way around this fact.

I just want to point out, it’s not necessarily the fact that this biological man chooses to identify and act as (what he perceives to be) a woman that is/was the problem in this show. The problem was they chose not to be upfront and honest about their past for a substantial period of time which is deceitful and the boyfriend WAS betrayed by this willful act.[/quote]

It was stated that the transexual women and everyone else thought the guy knew so it can’t be an honesty issue.

The thing about the psychological issue was a reason to not date the transexual because you didn’t want to deal with the emotionnal baggage that comes with. Let’s say the transexual women who was unhappy as a man is now perfectly happy as a women and is now over it.

Being a woman in a man body may be psychological, biological or both and I am not trying to say gender is a society construct or not. I am only adressing a perception issue.

Let’s say you had a really nice cat that does everything a cat does and even better. You really love cat and it is the best cat you ever had. You would be crushed forever if your cat disappeared. Someone tells you one day your cat was born a dog. You would have never found out if this person didn’t tell you. You really hate dogs and you are disgusted by them on a very deep level. What do you do?[/quote]

That might be the worst attempt at an analogy I’ve ever seen. In this scenario, you’re comparing a transgender HUMAN fully capable of communication and complex thought past the point of “Should I shit on the rug or not?” with that of two different species (women are not a different species from men, no matter what any feminist tells you) incapable of comprehension of as gender identity not to mention specie identity never mind being able to communicate as such.

I also do not buy the “I thought you knew” defense. That’s a fucking cop out and it’s bullshit. You’re in a relationship with someone who’s never mentioned such an enormous event such as your gender reassignment and you just think they’re hunky dory about the situation because all your friends know? Get the fuck outta here with that line of garbage. The tranny knew dude didn’t know but didn’t want to mess up a good thing. Either that or he (the tranny) is completely fuckin’ self-centered not to notice his S.O. has never mentioned the life altering surgery and is not at all curious about that part of your past life? Again, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. No matter how you look at it, there’s a shit ton of deceit going on and no cat/dog analogy will convince me otherwise.[/quote]

Well you brought up the cats and dogs thing initially. Replace it with the original situation as described or with women instead of cat and men instead of dog.

I think saying it’s always a deceit is a cop out. I can imagine a plausible situation where this happen and there is no deceit. The story in the Jerry Springer show wasn’t too far from it, the guy just didn’t realise it was a transexual. It’s not too far fetched to think that the transexual and their friends thought it was obvious and the guy knew.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well… [/quote]

I’ve always felt like the wrong species myself…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well… [/quote]

I’ve always felt like the wrong species myself…[/quote]

You, sir, get an:

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well… [/quote]

It is racism.

Michael Jackson turned himself into an creepy old white woman way before Bruce Jenner turned himself into a old creepy white woman.

Racism, I tell you. Racism.

Just like Elvis stealing black music.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well… [/quote]

It is racism.

Michael Jackson turned himself into an creepy old white woman way before Bruce Jenner turned himself into a old creepy white woman.

Racism, I tell you. Racism.

Just like Elvis stealing black music.[/quote]

I feel as if I was premature with my “outstanding”

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Since the age of 5, i always felt that i was a black man and BRUCE jenner has inspired me to make that change.

Will society openly accept me as they do Bruce if i tattoo myself black, perm my hair up into a fro, get lip injections, and start dressing “black”?

Why shouldn’t i get the cover of black magazines and clothing endorsements? Hell, i’d accept being brutalized by the police as well… [/quote]

I’ve always felt like the wrong species myself…[/quote]

Well you Sir, are an otherkin!

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tbh, I don’t think Bruce was the first tranny in the family…

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A tuck-job even Hallowed would be proud of…

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
I’m thinking that’d be a pretty weird first date if she came out with ‘Oh, by the way, I used to be a guy…is that a problem?’ I mean Sweet Zombie Jesus, it took her God knows how long to come to terms with it and I’m supposed to be cool from the opening bounce? I think that’s asking a bit much.

I’m trying to work out if a worse first date conversation would be if she said ‘I just can’t wait to have our babies!’.

Perhaps we could wait until the third date before we start sharing at this level. Lets get to know each other first off.[/quote]

Sometimes an assumption is so widespread and so fundamental to an interaction that not correcting it is inherently dishonest. If I offer you a brownie, you assume that it’s not made out of dog shit. If I don’t tell you it’s made out of dog shit, then I am being dishonest. I have withheld information that a rational person would not assume and most people would consider fundamental to you making your decision in the interaction.

Lest you think I’m exaggerating, consider that likely many men would rather eat dog shit than have sex with a tranny.

Admittedly, you’re only suggesting withholding the information for a couple dates and presumably not having sex, but that’s sort of like letting the person smell and hold the brownie. You’re letting him gather information to make a decision, while withholding information that would probably make gathering that information not only unnecessary but repulsive to him. [/quote]

I think a middle ground might be a conversation on a first date about LBGTetc issues. If he expresses disgust, he’s not the man for tranny you. If he expresses openness, maybe.

I don’t see how anyone would get through a first date without at least touching on the two or three most important issues in their life. So my first dates are going to hear about my work, my family, and possibly running and lifting. If I were trans I’m sure that would be a huge part of my life. I might not disclose, but I would certainly make clear that I’m political in that direction.[/quote]

Exactly so Emma. A normal sensible person would do precisely that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

If the girl has fake tits installed…has she mutilated her breasts?

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yes. Mutilate has a negative connotation, but it is what it is. [/quote]

So even though a problem has been fixed you still call it mutilate? That’s a pretty broad definition. I suspect there would be a lot of surgeons who would be pretty damn miffed over that.

And the negative connotation was used deliberately. Methinks it shows the true nature of the respondent.