[quote]Makavali wrote:
Therizza wrote:
the latter two of which are based in the West on (GASP!) Judeo-Christian morality/ethics.
When was the last time you stoned someone to death for idol worship?[/quote]
never. what does stoning have to do with anything, mate?
When was the last time you threw a shrimp on the barbie? See I can be cheeky too.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Well since people know that God exists 100 over a 100
Either stupidity or arrogance here.
I don’t know 100% that God doesn’t exist. I find it highly improbable that God exists in the sense that Abrahamic and a lot of other religions claim He/She exists.
Okay, either God exists or he doesn’t. There is right and wrong, you cannot have a half God, just like you cannot have a half man. Either he is or is not a man.[/quote]
I never said half a God, I say I don’t know and because of evidence presented I lean toward there being no God. Apparently being religious and being able to read a mutually exclusive.
Also, your can’t be a half man theory is fundamentally flawed, don’t use it again.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Feel free to practice your religion if you can avoid meddling in my life. Unfortunately, that won’t happen, it’s the nature of organized religion.
Right. Unfortunately, that’s the catch.
Well, golly, what do we have here. Two dicks in a bag, the OP addressed the question towards people of faith and the anti-Christians run in to start slinging shit instead of for what the OP asked for. I am not knocking at your front door dragging you to church, if you have so much trouble with stating what I believe get off.[/quote]
The problem is that you use your religion en masse to pull of stupid laws and other pieces of horseshit legislation which does affect the non-religious. It seems like your type is more concerned with battling “sin” as opposed to battling crime.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Therizza wrote:
the latter two of which are based in the West on (GASP!) Judeo-Christian morality/ethics.
When was the last time you stoned someone to death for idol worship?
never. what does stoning have to do with anything, mate?
When was the last time you threw a shrimp on the barbie? See I can be cheeky too.
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Your claiming the morality of the modern age is derived from a Judeo-Christian source (aka the Bible). How do people know which parts to cherry pick? The Bible doesn’t say “OK guys, in 2000 years you need to ignore this bit and this bit”.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
There is hard evidence, douche bag.[/quote]
Let’s see this hard evidence. Otherwise, he is free to say what he wants.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Therizza wrote:
the latter two of which are based in the West on (GASP!) Judeo-Christian morality/ethics.
When was the last time you stoned someone to death for idol worship?
Do you include American Idol in this?[/quote]
That should be a stonable offense.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Therizza wrote:
the latter two of which are based in the West on (GASP!) Judeo-Christian morality/ethics.
When was the last time you stoned someone to death for idol worship?
never. what does stoning have to do with anything, mate?
When was the last time you threw a shrimp on the barbie? See I can be cheeky too.
Your claiming the morality of the modern age is derived from a Judeo-Christian source (aka the Bible). How do people know which parts to cherry pick? The Bible doesn’t say “OK guys, in 2000 years you need to ignore this bit and this bit”.[/quote]
English common law, of which both our countries derive their legal systems from, was based on the principles of jurisprudence set forth in Corpus Juris Civilis(the Justinian Code). This was heavily influenced by Christian morality. The aforementioned Justinian Code later became the basis for Western civil law, albeit with modifications for the time period. Also, most natural law scholars based their presuppositions on religious assumptions.
To state the laws we follow regarding ethical conduct were not at least in part influenced by religion, moreover Christianity, is a fools errand.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
English common law, of which both our countries derive their legal systems from, was based on the principles of jurisprudence set forth in Corpus Juris Civilis(the Justinian Code). This was heavily influenced by Christian morality. The aforementioned Justinian Code later became the basis for Western civil law, albeit with modifications for the time period. Also, most natural law scholars based their presuppositions on religious assumptions.
To state the laws we follow regarding ethical conduct were not at least in part influenced by religion, moreover Christianity, is a fools errand.[/quote]
So we should be stoning adulterers to death, no?
The so called Christian morality is cherry picked from the Bible, morality doesn’t come from religion.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
English common law, of which both our countries derive their legal systems from, was based on the principles of jurisprudence set forth in Corpus Juris Civilis(the Justinian Code). This was heavily influenced by Christian morality. The aforementioned Justinian Code later became the basis for Western civil law, albeit with modifications for the time period. Also, most natural law scholars based their presuppositions on religious assumptions.
To state the laws we follow regarding ethical conduct were not at least in part influenced by religion, moreover Christianity, is a fools errand.[/quote]
So we should be stoning adulterers to death, no?
The so called Christian morality is cherry picked from the Bible, morality doesn’t come from religion.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
There is hard evidence, douche bag. So what if people call it faith, it’s called faith just like you say you have faith in your partner. You do not have any hard evidence that he will do what is in your best interest for the rest of your life, but you have faith he will. Get it, now get off and get back on your gay ‘civil rights’ post.[/quote]
Hard evidence you say? What is this bullshit evidence that ultimately proves existence of the so called god the savior bum who couldnt afford a shave or a haircut. And just because he sucked at carpentry he went on ranting to everyone about how to lead their lives?
I don’t know how people with a substantial level of IQ who can count or interpret or atleast communicate still believe in a story that has been written by some jews about a half naked bleeding jew nailed to a 2 by 4 piece of wood.
To the OP’s question. Over the centuries, religion has taken a hold of the common man where only 5% or above people actually lived in luxury. Everyone else was pretty much on or below the poverty line. Religion just promised them basic necessities of life which they couldn’t ignore. Just like what is happening in remote Africa. Change your name to a christian one, carry around a bible then you get your food.
So faith in itself is a load of garbage. You can have faith/trust in people. But its not in conjugation with the ‘faith’ from a religious perspective.
X out
Alright, since you don’t want to discuss the merits of the argument in an adult manner, why don’t you go killing people willy nilly, raping and pillaging everything you can? What’s your angle on it? I explained why things are they way they are and what the laws are based on quite cogently, but apparently that didn’t transmit well through the ether.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Alright, since you don’t want to discuss the merits of the argument in an adult manner, why don’t you go killing people willy nilly, raping and pillaging everything you can? What’s your angle on it? I explained why things are they way they are and what the laws are based on quite cogently, but apparently that didn’t transmit well through the ether.[/quote]
No you didn’t. I want to know how you cherry pick from the almighty source of morality. What dictates how you see right and wrong?
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Alright, since you don’t want to discuss the merits of the argument in an adult manner, why don’t you go killing people willy nilly, raping and pillaging everything you can? What’s your angle on it? I explained why things are they way they are and what the laws are based on quite cogently, but apparently that didn’t transmit well through the ether.[/quote]
No you didn’t. I want to know how you cherry pick from the almighty source of morality. What dictates how you see right and wrong?
[quote]Therizza wrote:
English common law, of which both our countries derive their legal systems from, was based on the principles of jurisprudence set forth in Corpus Juris Civilis(the Justinian Code). This was heavily influenced by Christian morality. The aforementioned Justinian Code later became the basis for Western civil law, albeit with modifications for the time period. Also, most natural law scholars based their presuppositions on religious assumptions.
To state the laws we follow regarding ethical conduct were not at least in part influenced by religion, moreover Christianity, is a fools errand.[/quote]
You are saying that without Christianity, these laws wouldn’t exist? Your attempts at displaying that religion helped civilization gain logic is utterly flawed.
I, like every other human being, do the things I do based on societal norms. I wear a shirt and tie to work, I pay my taxes, I don’t murder people because it is wrong. And since my beliefs of what is right and wrong converge with what is normal for the most part in society I am at peace.
Where in the “almighty source of morality” does it say it is alright to stone people, can I get a citation on that please, I’d like to read it.
I believe in natural law and common law, what about you?
[quote]Xobile wrote:
Therizza wrote:
English common law, of which both our countries derive their legal systems from, was based on the principles of jurisprudence set forth in Corpus Juris Civilis(the Justinian Code). This was heavily influenced by Christian morality. The aforementioned Justinian Code later became the basis for Western civil law, albeit with modifications for the time period. Also, most natural law scholars based their presuppositions on religious assumptions.
To state the laws we follow regarding ethical conduct were not at least in part influenced by religion, moreover Christianity, is a fools errand.
You are saying that without Christianity, these laws wouldn’t exist? Your attempts at displaying that religion helped civilization gain logic is utterly flawed. [/quote]
I stated that the laws of the West are based in a Christian morality. The idea of ‘natural law’ is very much based in religion.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why do we look down on,medicate, or imprison those who might actually be God’s servants? Yet, on Sunday drive to a church where a preacher, who is supposed to live a modest and faithful life has a Hummer and a mistress in the congregation?[/quote]
Why are you attending that preacher’s church?
[quote]Therizza wrote:
I, like every other human being, do the things I do based on societal norms. I wear a shirt and tie to work, I pay my taxes, I don’t murder people because it is wrong. And since my beliefs of what is right and wrong converge with what is normal for the most part in society I am at peace.
Where in the “almighty source of morality” does it say it is alright to stone people, can I get a citation on that please, I’d like to read it.
I believe in natural law and common law, what about you? [/quote]
The capacity for empathy and compassion is hard wired into our brains and is cultivated through the guidance of our parents and interactions with our peers. Were you aware of studies which show that chimps in captivity experience visible signs of distress when confronted with the mistreatment of other chimps with which they are familiar? This clearly demonstrates that even lower order primates are endowed with an innate capacity to empathize. They don’t need the Bible to tell them that murder is wrong and neither do I.
The the religious, are you telling me that you are so cosmically dense, that you couldn’t figure out that murder and thievery weren’t cool on your own? You needed the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE to take time out of his busy schedule to point that out?
Are you one of those people who needs to wear a crash helmet whenever he goes outside?
I’m glad for you. I’m not trying to change what you believe, and I don’t question why you believe it. So would you say, using those studies as evidence, that there is a ‘natural law’ that killing is abhorrent?