Waitress/waiters make minimum wage.
Wtf are you getting the idea that they make only 3 bucks an hour?
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Waitress/waiters make minimum wage.
Wtf are you getting the idea that they make only 3 bucks an hour?[/quote]
My gf made 3.15 and tips brought her up to or past minimum wage. it depends on the resturant I guess…the people I’ve known to worl tables make their money off tips.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Waitress/waiters make minimum wage.
Wtf are you getting the idea that they make only 3 bucks an hour?[/quote]
My gf made 3.15 and tips brought her up to or past minimum wage. it depends on the resturant I guess…the people I’ve known to worl tables make their money off tips.
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I was interested in the thought process of people that don’t tip, but I can speak to the ownership side of tipping in restaurants.
First off the server minimum wage is always less than the regular minimum wage. This is the minimum hourly rate the restaurant can pay out. 3.60 currently in Ohio. Now if for some reason the servers tips don’t cause this to reach the regular minimum wage a minimum wage differential kicks in where the restaurant does make up the difference. This is bad, certainly for the owners, but I’d hold even for customers that like that restaurant. You can look at the P&L of any restaurant and if it has a high or any to be honest minimum wage differential payout it gives you indications of several possibilities. One the place might not take credit cards and all the servers lie, very unlikely for several reasons. Two the servers are all uniformly terrible…not a common thing either, but much more likely. Three someone has figured out a way to steal or hide credit tips. Most common is the restaurant is in the inner city.
If everyone were to decide to not tip in the US tomorrow, the total cost of this would of course be passed on to the consumer. Currently those who don’t tip get a free ride as it were. It would be hard to say exactly how much prices would go up, but judging from some of the euro guys posting it would be much more than 40 percent. Just at first blush its going to be bare minimum the cost of paying all servers regular minimum wage plus the higher elastic costs of a payroll. Likely the costs would be much higher than this percent to maintain quality servers because no one is going to wait for minimum wage and to get quality you are going to have to pay close to 18 to 20 dollars an hour in all likelihood. This of course wouldn’t bother tippers since they already pay this much in fact they’d likely save a little since non tippers would no longer be subsidized. Its apparent you’d have no servers if only minimum wage were paid since the closet you can come to this is inner city units and even there its not minimum, and all quality servers will not stay in these units for any length of time. So there would have to be a reworking of the restaurant industry to maybe a more pick up the food yourself type of business in the more value priced places and in the nicer places that had the quality servers would price out a lot of people.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Waitress/waiters make minimum wage.
Wtf are you getting the idea that they make only 3 bucks an hour?[/quote]
This not true in America at all. There are laws around this.
Don’t speak on things you’re ignorant of.
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
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Its a different paradigm is all. In England clearly your base cost covers the cost of labor so you don’t tip. Its simply not the custom here. You say yourself you are struck by how cheap the food is here, clearly thats because of the tipping process being used to determine final cost it wouldn’t be this cheap with no tipping.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
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You are tipping because we don’t include service charges, you do based on service received. You are still paying for service in London too, jack ass.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
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Its a different paradigm is all. In England clearly your base cost covers the cost of labor so you don’t tip. Its simply not the custom here. You say yourself you are struck by how cheap the food is here, clearly thats because of the tipping process being used to determine final cost it wouldn’t be this cheap with no tipping.[/quote]
Right. The whole “So should I really tip ‘x’ profession because of ‘x’?” scenario doesn’t apply here like people try to. These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.
There are jobs where tipping is expected, and fairly so. People who recognize this and purposely defer away from it are assholes and likely don’t give a shit about anyone else besides themselves.
Incidentally, most of the people who I’ve known in my life that are poor or no-tippers turned out to be kind of shitty and egotistical people as well.
Wow you are bright aren’t you… yes we are aware of this concept and have been from the beginning of the thread!
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
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You are tipping because we don’t include service charges, you do based on service received. You are still paying for service in London too, jack ass.[/quote]
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Wow you are bright aren’t you… yes we are aware of this concept and have been from the beginning of the thread!
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
"So, basically, if you live in AMERICA and don’t tip, then you are a stupid, douchey asshole.
Is it really any more complicated than that? "
I agree with this, I go to the states every now and then (I live in London) and I am amazed at how cheap food can be there, and now it seems their wages are extra shitty too.
You see the thing is, if I go somewhere and order food I EXPECT MY FOOD, no pats on the back and WELL DONES and no round of applause. We don’t get refills here, we pay for what we get. On top of that 99.9% of establishments here in the UK put a mimimum of 12.5% service charge on your bill. Now if I was well off and the waiting staff made my time there more enjoyable then I would tip more.
But I don’t understand why someone should get tipped for doing there job? I mean if you order a coffee you expect to get your coffee, have they done something amazing to expect a tip?? Or am I tipping because they are poor and live in a damp basement?!
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You are tipping because we don’t include service charges, you do based on service received. You are still paying for service in London too, jack ass.[/quote]
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You are the one with the retarded question then, jack ass. Put two and two together…
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?!
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip.
In Ontario there is a different minimum wage for liquor servers.
Regular minimum wage: $10.25
Liquor Serve minimum wage: $8.90
Ok big man, whatever. Keep doing what you’re doing there and don’t fix the issue of hard working people being allowed to be paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip. [/quote]
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ok big man, whatever. Keep doing what you’re doing there and don’t fix the issue of hard working people being allowed to be paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip. [/quote]
[/quote]Tipping is compensation, like commission to a sales guy… 2+2 is…
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ok big man, whatever. Keep doing what you’re doing there and don’t fix the issue of hard working people being allowed to be paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip. [/quote]
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You miss the point entirely. They do end up making minimum wage. Certainly it could be changed so that there was no tipping and the base wages were raised, but there would of course be a oorresponding rise in price. The business owner isn’t going to eat the increased labor cost.
Only the person who doesn’t tip currently really has something change if server wages suddenly shot up to 15 to 20 dollars an hour in the US. The person who already tips pays the same price its just up front.
It’s not the same as commission at all, the point of commission is to encourage sales people to sell more and thus make more money. That’s not neccessarily a bad thing, and sales people are not paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ok big man, whatever. Keep doing what you’re doing there and don’t fix the issue of hard working people being allowed to be paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip. [/quote]
[/quote]Tipping is compensation, like commission to a sales guy… 2+2 is…
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I’m sorry, but you have to EARN your tips.
There are certain instances, like at a bar, where I tip well and often to ensure good service. And I usually get the good service. However, if the service starts to slack, and it’s not an overwhelmingly busy night, so do the tips.
At a restaurant, the tip is earned. Did the food taste good? Was the waiter/waitress attentive? How many times did my water get refilled? Was my food taking extra long and did you come by to inform me? Did you give me service with a smile?
The problem is, restaurant workers don’t try to earn their tips anymore. Nowadays, tipping is expected. And if you don’t tip, all the high horse riding, moral white knights like those in this thread call you a stupid douche. Because it’s expected, restaurant staff (not all of them of course) don’t feel obligated to go that extra mile because they expect to get at least 15%, even if they do a shit job.
I used to be an EMT. When I quit, I was only making $11 dollars an hour. It didn’t matter if I was having a bad day. It didn’t matter if I was running back to back calls for 8 hours and hadn’t eaten since I left the house. It didn’t matter if my gf just broke up with me and my dog got ran over. I had to give the same level of care to patients at all times. I had to be there with a smile on my face. Had to deal with patients that were grumpy, sad, scared, in good moods, angry, whatever. I had to deal with families, nurses, etc. I never asked for a tip.
What about when I was a clerk at a liquor store for $8/hour? I had to deal with customers, sometimes in bad moods. Had to run to go find products they couldn’t, had to carry heavy boxes out of the storeroom, had to carry kegs out to customers cars and load them up. Never asked for a tip.
I’m sorry if you don’t feel you make enough, get a different job. If you want to be a waiter or waitress, than do a good job and earn your tip, you don’t get one for free.
I’m not cheap, I tip well when I tip. I tipped 50% just the other day because the food was delicious and service was awesome. At the same time, if you don’t do shit, it’s reflected in the tip, or lack there of.
A couple years ago, me and my gf went to a restaurant down in LA. Food was overpriced for the taste and quality. And service was horrendous. Food took forever to get to us and was room temp when we got it. Waitress, no busboy, only filled my water once, even though I actually asked for it a second time. Her friends came in and she sat at their table and talked to them for ten minutes, this whole time, we were waiting for our check. She finally got up, I asked her for our check, and she fucking sighed. Went and got it, put it down on the table and walked away to go talk to her friends again. A few minutes later I got her attention and asked for change. Left the bitch one penny. There is not excuse for that kind of treatment.
In contrast, last week, went with the gf to sushi. Amazing service, best sushi ever, bill was like $24; dropped two twenties on the table and left, they EARNED it.
Either get a different job, bust your ass and EARN your tip, or stop bitching.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
It’s not the same as commission at all, the point of commission is to encourage sales people to sell more and thus make more money. That’s not neccessarily a bad thing, and sales people are not paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ok big man, whatever. Keep doing what you’re doing there and don’t fix the issue of hard working people being allowed to be paid less than minimum wage.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
SSC you say “These people are paid LESS than the minimum government-mandated wage for American citizens.”
Does anyone here still not understand that THIS is where the problem lies? Or do you people still not care? How can any profession be paid LESS than the minimum government-mandate, it is surely not legal. I mean are we talking chinese sweat shops here?![/quote]
No dumb ass, that’s why we tip. [/quote]
[/quote]Tipping is compensation, like commission to a sales guy… 2+2 is…
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[/quote]Many sales people are on straight commission and 0 wage, retard. Tipping encourages better service just the same and is an expected form of compensation for service rendered as we do not include mandatory service charges.
Groo, you seem to be the only one who can have a civilsed conversation. So then in essence in the UK we are paying even more than you, because not only do they get minimum wage but also add a 12.5% service charge to the bill that you would only not pay if something had gone wrong with your meal o the service.
I don’t like the US system that’s all, I don’t like the fact that some people can get a free ride by not tipping and that staff have to pick up the pennies to make a living. This shouldn’t be the way.