Damn, I’ve made chili with horse, bison, veal (baby beef counts, right?). Each time, it was pretty awesome.
I made it with ground turkey once too. It was pretty terrible. Never doing that again.
How do you guys feel about adding kidney beans? You know, for that extra farty sensation 
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
It’s not unrealistic, we have good service a lot of times honestly. There are plenty of hard workers out there, you just don’t sound like one of them.
Entitled, well they feel entitled to the tip, so why is that any different than feeling entitled to good service if they want a good tip, huh?
To you it’s only BS, because you don’t want to admit the GOD’S TRUTH that EVERY SINGLE THING I SAID IT THE TRUTH and you are just MADDDD I proved you wrong. Most problems happen due to the server or another server, not the kitchen staff or managers in general. I didn’t say all, I said MOST problems.
What attitude, the TRUTH? I haven’t been mean to anyone.
No children. I feel sorry for anyone that gets served by your uncaring, lazy self, because that’s how you sound.
NOTHING I said has been mean, it’s just the TRUTH that servers are mostly at fault for things that happen at your table that come out wrong. I am not sure WHERE are you getting an attitude from?
You need help in knowing how to be a good, caring server. All I did was state facts. I guess you don’t like that, do you?
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First of all, I’m bartending these days, not serving. Although I deal with and observe my servers very closely, I’m not the one handing out the food. Just the drinks.
I didn’t even read most of what you wrote. I said what I said based on the fact that you WROTE A FUCKING BOOK about it. What I DID read was a bunch of unrealistic expectations.
According to YOU, you expect perfection. That isn’t going to happen ANYWHERE. You have a better chance at restaurants where you pay $100 a plate, but there will be misunderstandings even then. If you are spending $15 to $30 a plate and expecting the flawless service you are describing, then you are smoking crack.
The biggest relief I got from your reply is that you don’t have kids. Do the world a favor and keep it that way. You are a fucking insane control freak and would most likely cause immeasurable damage to any normal child.
As for me needing help in knowing how to be a “good caring server”, I must be doing something right cuz my “uncaring, lazy self” averages 25%.
[quote]Samir wrote:
Damn, I’ve made chili with horse, bison, veal (baby beef counts, right?). Each time, it was pretty awesome.
I made it with ground turkey once too. It was pretty terrible. Never doing that again.
How do you guys feel about adding kidney beans? You know, for that extra farty sensation :p[/quote]
No beans. Unless you mix it with lamb because that’s not really chili so it doesn’t matter.
Bison would be acceptable. Horse too I guess. It is read meat right?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Cook with the fat but drain it before eating.
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NOOOO!
Emulsify with flour or corn starch and incorporate!
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Cook with the fat but drain it before eating.
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NOOOO!
Emulsify with flour or corn starch and incorporate!
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Masa if you must.
NO, it’s not. My husband and I have had PERFECT SERVICE MANY of times before. What I wrote, wasn’t unrealistic expectations, it’s showing that it’s the *SERVER or ANOTHER SERVER causing MOST of the issues, NOT the kitchen staff and certainly not the manager.
Also, WHO goes out to eat looking at the glass half empty, huh? As I said above, we have had things go perfectly MANY of times. It was to point out that most things that go wrong ARE your server’s fault or another server’s fault.
WHO expects things to go wrong in a restaurant, huh? WHY go out to eat if you expect shitty service, huh?
It sure as hell will, because it DOES HAPPEN. It just happened this past Saturday even. WE tipped $16 on an almost $62 dollar check. NO MISTAKES, NO MESS UPS, EVERYTHING WENT PERFECTLY. NOTHING WENT WRONG AT ALL!! Even if the server messes up something small, if they apologize, it’s not a huge issue to necessarily take off for if I see they did try their best as well.
At least you are admitting unlike some people that it’s true, it’s all about the PERSON serving you, not how much money each plate is.
WHY? We have had perfect service, MANY of times even at restaurants like Chili’s and Outback even. It depends on the PERSON serving you, NOT what price it is per plate. We have had some of the WORST service at fine dining.
So you mean to tell me you don’t want what YOU want for YOUR hard earned money, is that correct? A customer should be able to control their own service as to what they want. That’s what a server and bartender’s job is, is to cater to the CUSTOMER, NOT to just guess what they want.
As you said though, you don’t serve food. Drinks are not as complicated to verify as food is.
Also, you could make more, so that doesn’t prove anything honestly.
I have never worked as a server, but since I know all of this, doesn’t that tell you we have had LOTS of EXPERIENCE knowing what goes on?
Have you ever had any of the following, because we have had ALL of these happen a lot of times to us over the years:
Have you ever had an entrée completely wrong brought to you by YOUR OWN server?
Have you ever had an order forgotten to be put into the computer of any sort(food or bar drink)?
Have you ever had a wrong price on your check that was an overcharge?
Have you ever had extra items on your check(an overcharge)?
Have you ever waited a half an hour or more for one bar drink?
Have you ever had a server put in your order wrong into the computer(bar drink or food)(not necessarily bring it to you too)?
Have you ever gotten a wrong side dish?
Have you ever had a forgotten side dish?
Have you ever had condiments forgotten?
When YOU have it happen to YOUR DINING EXPERIENCE it feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SERVING SOMEONE THE MESS UPS and you know what I am saying is the truth. WHY do you think I know all of this? Because it has HAPPENED TO US, that’s why. It’s not making stuff up. These things really did happen.
I know more than most servers even about the menus even and have even proved wrong managers even. That’s how much more I know than most servers do about their own jobs even.
Most sure do not act like they have been, otherwise they’d try their best and apologize for their mistakes.
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
Also, WHO goes out to eat looking at the glass half empty, huh? As I said above, we have had things go perfectly MANY of times. It was to point out that most things that go wrong ARE your server’s fault or another server’s fault.
WHO expects things to go wrong in a restaurant, huh? WHY go out to eat if you expect shitty service, huh?
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I do. At your basic restaurant like Chilis or Applebees I don’t expect anything to be particularly special. I’m usually there with friends, family, or both, and really don’t care about the food or service. As luck would have it though, at the one I frequent most, the waitress lives a couple of blocks away from me. Her kids play with my niece, and I run into her on a regular basis outside of her work environment. It’s no coincidence that the service is always awesome. She is a very nice person, which brings me to my point- There is a human element to all of this.
I bet that if you keep that in mind next time you go out (in both the server and customer roles) your list of catastrophic dining resentments will stop growing at such a rate. You see, most those people who are waiting on you can spot a prick from the parking lot, and don’t really care how important you think you are. I’ve heard it straight from the horses mouth that they could care less what the tip is when someone acts like a complete asshole and treats them like a lesser person.
This works at more expensive places too. By forming polite relationships and having an understanding of mutual respect, I’ve had wait staff accidentally bring my wife and I some very nice things. After a couple of times though, it’s hard to believe that there can be so many accidents.
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
I have never worked as a server, but since I know all of this, doesn’t that tell you we have had LOTS of EXPERIENCE knowing what goes on?
Have you ever had any of the following, because we have had ALL of these happen a lot of times to us over the years:
Have you ever had an entr�©e completely wrong brought to you by YOUR OWN server?
Have you ever had an order forgotten to be put into the computer of any sort(food or bar drink)?
Have you ever had a wrong price on your check that was an overcharge?
Have you ever had extra items on your check(an overcharge)?
Have you ever waited a half an hour or more for one bar drink?
Have you ever had a server put in your order wrong into the computer(bar drink or food)(not necessarily bring it to you too)?
Have you ever gotten a wrong side dish?
Have you ever had a forgotten side dish?
Have you ever had condiments forgotten?
When YOU have it happen to YOUR DINING EXPERIENCE it feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SERVING SOMEONE THE MESS UPS and you know what I am saying is the truth. WHY do you think I know all of this? Because it has HAPPENED TO US, that’s why. It’s not making stuff up. These things really did happen.
I know more than most servers even about the menus even and have even proved wrong managers even. That’s how much more I know than most servers do about their own jobs even.
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Fuck yah you have converted me. I went out today for lunch and after reading this shit I was ready. First of all the hostess tried to seat someone else when I had clearly arrived at the same time. So I asked her if Groo would have to slap a bitch. That shit set the tone. Then they sent some ugly waitress over to take my order. This was clearly unacceptable. Only the most beautiful of servers are allowed to serve me. So I called the manager over and said I wanted a different server because the first one had called me a homosexual aryan pedophile hypochondriac and I wanted that bitch fired. So I got a new server that was much better looking…bitch tried to suggest a burger…I screamed you dirty whore you can’t control me I want a steak cooked rare with a medium well egg thrown on top with some bacon and I busted out my color wheel to show her the proper shade of doneness. This seemed to disconcert her a bit. When she brought me the steak I was all like where’s my burger? She looked confused but tried to rally by saying she’d be right back. When she brought the burger I asked her why was there pork on my plate as I couldn’t eat it for religious reasons and I needed a new burger with fries…I busted out my color wheel again. So when she brought out the new burger I asked her where my grilled chicken sandwich and salad was? Then the manager began to serve me herself. I asked for some extra bacon for my grilled chicken. At that point the manager told me to get the fuck out. This messican dude ran out of the kitchen and started screaming no one walks out without paying so he and I started to throw down when my original server hit me in the head with a tray.
Damn that was a good lunch and free. Don’t judge me.
[quote]Samir wrote:
Damn, I’ve made chili with horse, bison, veal (baby beef counts, right?). Each time, it was pretty awesome.
I made it with ground turkey once too. It was pretty terrible. Never doing that again.
How do you guys feel about adding kidney beans? You know, for that extra farty sensation :p[/quote]
Personally, I hate “Texas Chili”. I like beans in my chili. Kidney beans or Pinto beans are the go to beans for me. I also toss in onions, bell peppers, and tomatoes.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Horse too I guess. It is read meat right?[/quote]
Savages. Go back to Canada with all the other heathens.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Personally, I hate “Texas Chili”. I like beans in my chili. Kidney beans or Pinto beans are the go to beans for me. I also toss in onions, bell peppers, and tomatoes. [/quote]
I like beans in my chili, too. Unless it’s skyline.
Growing up, my mom cooked a lot of southern meals which were often bean heavy. Still to this day I love beans and cornbread. Never sweet cornbread though!
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
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So the answer to my question is “no,” you have never worked as a server and therefore have no real basis for making claims like “almost all mistakes in a restaurant are the server’s fault.”
I would echo what Angry Chicken said in that it is wonderful news that you do not have children, although I’m sure that despite having no experience, you would make a better parent than anybody here.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
So the answer to my question is “no,” you have never worked as a server and therefore have no real basis for making claims like “almost all mistakes in a restaurant are the server’s fault.”[/quote]
YES I DO, BECAUSE WE HAVE LIVED** through all of those issues I wrote about.
In other words, I have common sense, you must not to not know WHO causes most of the issues.
Think about it. Servers that don’t go out to eat much have no real basis to serve anyone, because how do you know how to serve someone something if you don’t have it done to you much, huh? You won’t be able to relate or relate as well, that’s for sure.
When you get an extra item or a wrong price or a wrongly rung up item on your check and your server hands you your check, well DUHH they are the LAST PERSON to see the check to make it ONLY THEIR FAULT. It is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be anyone else’s fault since the last person that could READ your check was your server BEFORE they handed it to you.
When you get wrong entrees or side dishes, your server can put in your order wrong and/or bring out those items wrong. It’s common sense for example mac n’ cheese isn’t a baked potato, yet a stupid waiter brought out that to our table that took our order. LIKE DUH both items you can tell without touching anything as to whose fault it is since OUR WAITER BROUGHT US THE FOOD.
When you have things forgotten like side dishes, condiments, etc. when your server brings out your food, you know to blame your server that they forgot to bring the item from the kitchen to your table, DUHHH. When at home, you leave one room, go into the other, forget an item, HOW is that ANY DIFFERENT than when your own server does this in a restaurant, huh? It’s not.
When your server forgets you asked for a refill or a box or the check or a bag, etc. that’s your server’s fault usually due to they didn’t even try to remember those things by writing them down and then rereading their written set of tasks of what to do next.
When another server brings out your food, if your server put in the order correctly, you know it’s the other server’s fault for any mistakes that you don’t have to touch the food to notice the mistakes or mistake, UNLESS it is condiments, because condiments can be brought out ahead of time no matter WHO delivers the food by YOUR OWN SERVER since that doesn’t need much prepare time.
We have had times when our servers put in orders wrong where they admitted to it and/or it was on our check wrongly rung up.
When your own server brings you let’s say you ordered ribs without bbq sauce, the ribs have bbq sauce, WELL DUHH, it’s not the kitchen staff’s fault your server brought you the ribs with the bbq sauce on them like an IDIOT they are for doing that.
My main point is, I know MUCH MORE THAN YOU DO SINCE YOU SEEM TO NEVER EAT OUT MUCH TO HAVE THAT NON-COMMON SENSE ATTITUDE.
I don’t have to work in a restaurant to know WHY I got the problem in most cases, HONESTLY and YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE TRUTH. GET SOME COMMON SENSE, because it looks like you don’t have any.
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
I don’t know shit.
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Springs, just shut up, no one cares what you have to say…
And if you can’t, please stop writing a book for every response…and stop with all the God damn random capitalization. Just type like a normal person, not a MORON.
I third AC and eeu743, please sterilize yourself for the good of the world.
You may not realize it, but you do have unrealistic expectations. And just because you’ve experienced bad service does not mean that you understand what it’s like be a server. I’ve had horrid service, and even I’m not naive enough to think I know what it’s like to be a server.
Again, just shut up, your craziness is hurting all of us trying to argue against automatic, indiscriminate tipping.
[quote]borrek wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Personally, I hate “Texas Chili”. I like beans in my chili. Kidney beans or Pinto beans are the go to beans for me. I also toss in onions, bell peppers, and tomatoes. [/quote]
I like beans in my chili, too. Unless it’s skyline.
Growing up, my mom cooked a lot of southern meals which were often bean heavy. Still to this day I love beans and cornbread. Never sweet cornbread though![/quote]
I do love me some cornbread. All kinds too. I’ve never met a piece of cornbread that I didn’t like. Sweet or otherwise. One of my favorite meals is cornbread covered (smothered) with black eyed peas.
What I learned from my father:
Always point out when the server forgets to add an item to the bill.
And leave a good tip.
And bc I know your insane ass is going to tell me off because I’m not bowing to your control, lets look at your last post…
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
When you get an extra item or a wrong price or a wrongly rung up item on your check and your server hands you your check, well DUHH they are the LAST PERSON to see the check to make it ONLY THEIR FAULT. It is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be anyone else’s fault since the last person that could READ your check was your server BEFORE they handed it to you.
When you get wrong entrees or side dishes, your server can put in your order wrong and/or bring out those items wrong. It’s common sense for example mac n’ cheese isn’t a baked potato, yet a stupid waiter brought out that to our table that took our order. LIKE DUH both items you can tell without touching anything as to whose fault it is since OUR WAITER BROUGHT US THE FOOD.
When you have things forgotten like side dishes, condiments, etc. when your server brings out your food, you know to blame your server that they forgot to bring the item from the kitchen to your table, DUHHH. When at home, you leave one room, go into the other, forget an item, HOW is that ANY DIFFERENT than when your own server does this in a restaurant, huh? It’s not.
When your server forgets you asked for a refill or a box or the check or a bag, etc. that’s your server’s fault usually due to they didn’t even try to remember those things by writing them down and then rereading their written set of tasks of what to do next.
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Right here, you’re acting like you’re the only important person in the world. So one server with 10-15 tables is supposed to remember every little detail? Especially when they’re at the end of their shift? Are you telling me you have never made a mistake or forgotten something? You’ve never let something slip your mind? Lord knows I have.
I know you think you’re a special little snowflake, but guess what, you’re not. By the end of their shift, when they have ten plus tables to tend to, they are going to make mistakes. Just say to them, ‘Excuse me, there’s a mistake.’ If they give you shit, okay, that’s a problem. But, I have never had anyone give me shit when I saw a problem.
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
5. When another server brings out your food, if your server put in the order correctly, you know it’s the other server’s fault for any mistakes that you don’t have to touch the food to notice the mistakes or mistake, UNLESS it is condiments, because condiments can be brought out ahead of time no matter WHO delivers the food by YOUR OWN SERVER since that doesn’t need much prepare time.
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This one doesn’t even make sense…how the hell does the beginning of this…sentence?..tie into the end?
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
6. We have had times when our servers put in orders wrong where they admitted to it and/or it was on our check wrongly rung up.
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Soooo, a mistake was made and they admitted to it? And that’s a problem? God forbid a human errors…and then is truthful about it…what is this world coming to!
[quote]Springs1 wrote:
7. When your own server brings you let’s say you ordered ribs without bbq sauce, the ribs have bbq sauce, WELL DUHH, it’s not the kitchen staff’s fault your server brought you the ribs with the bbq sauce on them like an IDIOT they are for doing that.
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Again, a mistake was made. They have ten tables…three of you ordered the ribs…they’re supposed to remember that you wanted no bbq sauce on them (btw, what the fuck is wrong with you? No bbq sauce on ribs?)? Btw, where do you get off calling someone an idiot because they made a mistake? God damn you’re a cunt.
People make mistakes. The problem isn’t the mistakes made, but how they react in response to said mistake. That’s where you’re expectations are unrealistic. Perfection is never going to happen. Some mistake, somewhere, to someone will be made. However, if the server doesn’t argue with you and the problem is fixed, what the fuck is the problem.
PS do us all a favor and learn how to use pronunciation.
Do you guys get bad service so often or something?
In Spain I used to go out often and I can barely remember having any issues at all. Sometimes you have to wait a bit longer because the place is full, but I really can’t remember things going to wrong that often as you guys seem to picture it. Even in fast food places I can’t remember any issues.
I remember two cases in particular that made me leave zero tip and even not pay in the second case :
-I sat in the table with a friend while waiting for the rest of friends (three more coming). The waitress/server came and threw the menu on the table and asked me, in a very annoying tone, what I wanted to drink. I said that I’d like to wait for the rest of friends before ordering anything. “Ok, whatever, what do you want?” “I said I’d like to wait a bit more” and she left mumbling something. I left no tip and never went back to that place.
-Mold filled kebabs. The entire base, all what was covered with the paper, was green. Horrible. I told the owner of the place and left.
For the rest the tip is usually 5-10%, but that’s the usual in Spain. Also, many bars and restaurants put all tips together in a jar and they share it among the rest of workerks. If the tips are individual, women will make ten more times money than men in tips.