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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Who decided rules? They are called “social norms” and laws. When you have children, trying whipping them with extension cords and such as your means of punishment and see how long you have your children.[/quote]

Yes, and social norms change over time. Spare the rod and spoil the child is something most Christians should be aware of and agree with…yet suddenly this is now wrong?

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As for the cold shower, a few points. First, how did you go from “cold shower” as a military technique to “water boarding”?? My point was that the “cold shower” routine was one the father borrowed from his time in the military and he adopted it at home. My response was that what was appropriate for 18 year old and up recruits and enlisted men is hardly appropriate for a 7 year old boy. Did you miss that? Or was I not clear?[/quote]

? They sat the boy in the tub and lightly sprinkled water on him. What military do you know of that is only doing that? They by no means treated him like an adult or used any “advanced military techniques” on him. They sprinkled water on him. It doesn’t matter where he got the idea from.

I refuse to believe you do not understand my point but yet you continue to misrepresent and twist them.

The kid was thrown in a cold shower…he wasn’t “sprinkled with cold water lightly”. The father said COLD SHOWERS WERE A TECHNIQUE USED ON ENLISTED MEN AS A MEANS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION!!! I did not describe waterboarding or some “advanced technique”. I simply stated that I do not believe some method to get the attention of an 18 year old enlisted man is appropriate for a 7 year old!

I don’t care what changes over time. There are plenty of things permissible in the past that I wish were permissible now but are not. I have to live with it. You do too. We can endlessly debate the merits of such changes and you can choose to ignore them too. You are welcome to whip your future children with extension cords but be prepared to lose them to the State. Your choice. Go down to City Hall and shake your first and see where it gets you. It is what it is.

I didn’t say spankings caused emotional damage. I was trying to get you to acknowledge that the only “damage” is not limited to physical damage. I think a parent terrifying a child is damaging. The 7 year old was terrified. The 15 year old in this video was embarrassed. BIG DIFFERENCE. It matters not why the 7 year old was terrified…he was clearly traumatized. If that is your future intended parenting style, have at it and good luck with it. I’ve disciplined my children, just got done disciplining one…and although they might get upset and cry, they hardly ever flirt with “traumatized”.

Stop twisting my words to make your points.

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Jesus x enough with the ‘sprinkling’ like it was a few drops! She turned ON the cold shower and he screamed and cried while she shouted at him over and over again! You are trying to lesson the impact of what was actually happening!

If nothing stirred inside you when you saw that young boy being treated like that by his adoptive mother well then there is no point in discussing this any further. IMO you’re missing SOMETHING! Maybe its common sense, maybe its a heart, maybe it’s apathy, or a sense of right & wrong, I don’t know? Maybe it because you have got no kids and are incapable of really FEELING what was so wrong with that clip?

As a father my first reaction was ‘shock’ at how she treated that little boy. Comparing that to some dumb ass teen being whipped by his uncle for pretending to be a gang banger or whatever online is fucking stupid.

Debating the intricacies of both videos is pointless because they are both COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

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[quote]worzel wrote:
Jesus x enough with the ‘sprinkling’ like it was a few drops! She turned ON the cold shower and he screamed and cried while she shouted at him over and over again! You are trying to lesson the impact of what was actually happening!

If nothing stirred inside you when you saw that young boy being treated like that by his adoptive mother well then there is no point in discussing this any further. IMO you’re missing SOMETHING! Maybe its common sense, maybe its a heart, maybe it’s apathy, or a sense of right & wrong, I don’t know? Maybe it because you have got no kids and are incapable of really FEELING what was so wrong with that clip?

As a father my first reaction was ‘shock’ at how she treated that little boy. Comparing that to some dumb ass teen being whipped by his uncle for pretending to be a gang banger or whatever online is fucking stupid.

Debating the intricacies of both videos is pointless because they are both COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

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[quote]worzel wrote: and he screamed and cried while she shouted at him over and over again! You are trying to lesson the impact of what was actually happening!

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That sounds like every spanking I ever got (and I didn’t even get very many of those)…and many times the crying was even if it didn’t hurt with the assumption that mom or dad would stop sooner if they thought the mission was accomplished. What kid doesn’t cry when being reprimanded physically? I don’t have to lessen the impact…because NOTHING happened. He wasn’t physically abused.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Who decided rules? They are called “social norms” and laws. When you have children, trying whipping them with extension cords and such as your means of punishment and see how long you have your children.[/quote]

Yes, and social norms change over time. Spare the rod and spoil the child is something most Christians should be aware of and agree with…yet suddenly this is now wrong?

[quote]

As for the cold shower, a few points. First, how did you go from “cold shower” as a military technique to “water boarding”?? My point was that the “cold shower” routine was one the father borrowed from his time in the military and he adopted it at home. My response was that what was appropriate for 18 year old and up recruits and enlisted men is hardly appropriate for a 7 year old boy. Did you miss that? Or was I not clear?[/quote]

? They sat the boy in the tub and lightly sprinkled water on him. What military do you know of that is only doing that? They by no means treated him like an adult or used any “advanced military techniques” on him. They sprinkled water on him. It doesn’t matter where he got the idea from.

I refuse to believe you do not understand my point but yet you continue to misrepresent and twist them.

The kid was thrown in a cold shower…he wasn’t “sprinkled with cold water lightly”. The father said COLD SHOWERS WERE A TECHNIQUE USED ON ENLISTED MEN AS A MEANS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION!!! I did not describe waterboarding or some “advanced technique”. I simply stated that I do not believe some method to get the attention of an 18 year old enlisted man is appropriate for a 7 year old!

I don’t care what changes over time. There are plenty of things permissible in the past that I wish were permissible now but are not. I have to live with it. You do too. We can endlessly debate the merits of such changes and you can choose to ignore them too. You are welcome to whip your future children with extension cords but be prepared to lose them to the State. Your choice. Go down to City Hall and shake your first and see where it gets you. It is what it is.

I didn’t say spankings caused emotional damage. I was trying to get you to acknowledge that the only “damage” is not limited to physical damage. I think a parent terrifying a child is damaging. The 7 year old was terrified. The 15 year old in this video was embarrassed. BIG DIFFERENCE. It matters not why the 7 year old was terrified…he was clearly traumatized. If that is your future intended parenting style, have at it and good luck with it. I’ve disciplined my children, just got done disciplining one…and although they might get upset and cry, they hardly ever flirt with “traumatized”.

Stop twisting my words to make your points. [/quote]

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH SPANKING A CHILD?

Just answer the question.

That 15 year old could very well kill himself later because this became a world wide sensation quickly…so how can you claim no damage was caused? At that age, world wide embarrassment wouldn’t have affected you at all?

Are you psychic?

Why accept one and not the other with that in mind?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Who decided rules? They are called “social norms” and laws. When you have children, trying whipping them with extension cords and such as your means of punishment and see how long you have your children.[/quote]

Yes, and social norms change over time. Spare the rod and spoil the child is something most Christians should be aware of and agree with…yet suddenly this is now wrong?

[quote]

As for the cold shower, a few points. First, how did you go from “cold shower” as a military technique to “water boarding”?? My point was that the “cold shower” routine was one the father borrowed from his time in the military and he adopted it at home. My response was that what was appropriate for 18 year old and up recruits and enlisted men is hardly appropriate for a 7 year old boy. Did you miss that? Or was I not clear?[/quote]

? They sat the boy in the tub and lightly sprinkled water on him. What military do you know of that is only doing that? They by no means treated him like an adult or used any “advanced military techniques” on him. They sprinkled water on him. It doesn’t matter where he got the idea from.

I refuse to believe you do not understand my point but yet you continue to misrepresent and twist them.

The kid was thrown in a cold shower…he wasn’t “sprinkled with cold water lightly”. The father said COLD SHOWERS WERE A TECHNIQUE USED ON ENLISTED MEN AS A MEANS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION!!! I did not describe waterboarding or some “advanced technique”. I simply stated that I do not believe some method to get the attention of an 18 year old enlisted man is appropriate for a 7 year old!

I don’t care what changes over time. There are plenty of things permissible in the past that I wish were permissible now but are not. I have to live with it. You do too. We can endlessly debate the merits of such changes and you can choose to ignore them too. You are welcome to whip your future children with extension cords but be prepared to lose them to the State. Your choice. Go down to City Hall and shake your first and see where it gets you. It is what it is.

I didn’t say spankings caused emotional damage. I was trying to get you to acknowledge that the only “damage” is not limited to physical damage. I think a parent terrifying a child is damaging. The 7 year old was terrified. The 15 year old in this video was embarrassed. BIG DIFFERENCE. It matters not why the 7 year old was terrified…he was clearly traumatized. If that is your future intended parenting style, have at it and good luck with it. I’ve disciplined my children, just got done disciplining one…and although they might get upset and cry, they hardly ever flirt with “traumatized”.

Stop twisting my words to make your points. [/quote]

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH SPANKING A CHILD?

Just answer the question.

That 15 year old could very well kill himself later because this became a world wide sensation quickly…so how can you claim no damage was caused? At that age, world wide embarrassment wouldn’t have affected you at all?

Are you psychic?

Why accept one and not the other with that in mind?[/quote]

I have already expressly and explicitly stated I don’t approve of either, but as a comparison, this was the less troubling example of “parenting”. And I am already on record as stating that I do not object to corporal punishment, as long as it is swift and does not cross the fine line of a “beating”. And nowhere did I imply that the 15 year old might not be embarrassed by the world wide attention. And I did not “accept” either. Are you reading what I wrote? Or are you psychic?

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PX- please stop typing “MILD” to qualify hot sauce. It’s all relative and you don’t know how ‘mild’ some hot sauces are that people or this woman in particular used and how the child perceives it.

I fucking love hot sauce, mo’ hotta mo’ betta. I’ve had adults squeal at what I think of as mild.

If hot sauce is OK, then hot sauce is OK. Can’t just qualify that “mild” is ok.

People are saying soap ‘isnt food’, but soap in the mouth is bitter and lasts for a few seconds. Hot sauce lingers and 5 star hot sauce fucking hurts.

Hell, by the soap credential, toothpaste and Listerine shouldn’t be put in the mouth— they have warnings to call poison control if ingested for christ sakes. A swipe of Ivory or Irish Spring? Nuthin.

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Did I read a “your with us or your against us” statement in this thread? Damn. No.

When I watched the 7-year old’s video, I was shocked. I don’t think it was abuse, but it was walking the line…and that’s what she was willing to do ON VIDEO.

This video here is NOTHING like that. I won’t engage in the debate because, as others have said, if someone sees them as being equivalent, then their must be something missing in them. I’m guessing experience with these different age groups, but who knows.

Just my two cents.

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Did I read a “your with us or your against us” statement in this thread? Damn. No.

When I watched the 7-year old’s video, I was shocked. I don’t think it was abuse, but it was walking the line…and that’s what she was willing to do ON VIDEO.

This video here is NOTHING like that. I won’t engage in the debate because, as others have said, if someone sees them as being equivalent, then their must be something missing in them. I’m guessing experience with these different age groups, but who knows.

Just my two cents.

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I’m sure most people will ignore this straight off, but…

Erikson’s Stages of Psychosocial Development

How one treats a 5-7 year old is just different than how one should be treating an older kid. (I don’t know why I’m posting this, but I just thought of it when reading this thread… go ahead and flame away).

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

But my point is, how does one justify whipping a kid that age (because I am going to assume that the people in this thread claiming they got whippings didn’t have them withheld until they were 15 fucking years old) while acting like hot sauce is a danger? At the age of 7 I got “whippings”. Am I somehow the ONLY one in this thread? If not, then how is hot sauce (MILD) somehow child abuse but a whipping isn’t?[/quote]

I got my ass whooped at 7 years old and I would have much rather prefered the Hot sauce(Mild). I agree with you, none of these things are even close to child abuse.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

But my point is, how does one justify whipping a kid that age (because I am going to assume that the people in this thread claiming they got whippings didn’t have them withheld until they were 15 fucking years old) while acting like hot sauce is a danger? At the age of 7 I got “whippings”. Am I somehow the ONLY one in this thread? If not, then how is hot sauce (MILD) somehow child abuse but a whipping isn’t?[/quote]

I got my ass whooped at 7 years old and I would have much rather prefered the Hot sauce(Mild). I agree with you, none of these things are even close to child abuse.[/quote]

Another it happened to me and I’m okay logical fail.

It wasn’t just hot sauce and we don’t know if it was “mild”. It was an interrogation, brow beating to an obviously very fearful 7 year old boy, followed by hot sauce and a forced cold shower. None of the things taken alone out of context are “horrific” but all of them together, in the manner that she performed them, was troubling. Child abuse can be psychological. That kid was terrified of her. Are your kids terrified of you? Do you have kids?

If your kids are terrified of you, trade them in for a turtle please. Crying b/c you’re about to get a whipping is far different than being terrified. And knowing that the child is terrified yet continuing on your way is abusive. And what has really gone unspoken in this and the other thread is that I BET YOU THE WOMAN DOES NOT DO THIS TO HER NATURAL CHILDREN. When that kid was getting punished, there was no love in that room - and that kid is only 7.

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Cold water as torture:

Son tortured elderly parents, in part, with cold showers:

http://www.thejournal.ie/man-gets-15-years-for-five-month-torture-of-elderly-parents-in-offaly-2010-11/

Child abuse case citing, among other things, cold showers:

http://www.thejournal.ie/man-gets-15-years-for-five-month-torture-of-elderly-parents-in-offaly-2010-11/

If you think terrifying a 7 year old is okay, fuck yourself. If you think abuse only involves physical harm, fuck yourself some more. So since abuse only involves physical harm, maybe we can start locking kids in a dark closet as form of punishment while they scream and plead. I mean, that’s not so bad, “when I was young, my old man used to beat me with a stick, bla bla bla…I would have preferred being locked in a closet instead of getting beaten…I’m okay, look at me.”

Maybe you’re not okay. Maybe your lack of outrage means you’re not okay. Ever consider that?

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The hot sauce thing does sound bizarre. Any links?

I wonder what kind of hot sauce and I need to find some chili.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
The hot sauce thing does sound bizarre. Any links?

I wonder what kind of hot sauce and I need to find some chili.[/quote]

It was mild hot sauce because someone looked up the brand in the other thread. That is why I keep mentioning it. I don’t think it sounds any more strange than soap in the mouth. I never had anyone put soap in my mouth and that sounded strange until many of the same people who claim hot sauce is torture also claimed they were forced to chew soap but see nothing wrong with it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

But my point is, how does one justify whipping a kid that age (because I am going to assume that the people in this thread claiming they got whippings didn’t have them withheld until they were 15 fucking years old) while acting like hot sauce is a danger? At the age of 7 I got “whippings”. Am I somehow the ONLY one in this thread? If not, then how is hot sauce (MILD) somehow child abuse but a whipping isn’t?[/quote]

I got my ass whooped at 7 years old and I would have much rather prefered the Hot sauce(Mild). I agree with you, none of these things are even close to child abuse.[/quote]

Another it happened to me and I’m okay logical fail.

It wasn’t just hot sauce and we don’t know if it was “mild”. It was an interrogation, brow beating to an obviously very fearful 7 year old boy, followed by hot sauce and a forced cold shower. None of the things taken alone out of context are “horrific” but all of them together, in the manner that she performed them, was troubling. Child abuse can be psychological. That kid was terrified of her. Are your kids terrified of you? Do you have kids?

If your kids are terrified of you, trade them in for a turtle please. Crying b/c you’re about to get a whipping is far different than being terrified. And knowing that the child is terrified yet continuing on your way is abusive. And what has really gone unspoken in this and the other thread is that I BET YOU THE WOMAN DOES NOT DO THIS TO HER NATURAL CHILDREN. When that kid was getting punished, there was no love in that room - and that kid is only 7. [/quote]

First off I don’t have kids, so feel free to ignore everything else I am about to say. I would say that if you are getting punished and you are not terrified there is something wrong. Who knows if the kid is terrified of her 24/7? I don’t know and you don’t know. And I am not going to speculate on if she treates one set of kids better then the other because I do not know. I am not morally outraged because some kid got an unusally punishment.

If I had kids, I would not hesitate to spank them(which is far worse then mild hotsauce and a cold shower). Again, I would trade not being able to sit down for a day or two for what that kid went through. And it wasn’t like I wasn’t screamed at eather when I was getting my ass beat.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
The hot sauce thing does sound bizarre. Any links?

I wonder what kind of hot sauce and I need to find some chili.[/quote]

It was mild hot sauce because someone looked up the brand in the other thread. That is why I keep mentioning it. I don’t think it sounds any more strange than soap in the mouth. I never had anyone put soap in my mouth and that sounded strange until many of the same people who claim hot sauce is torture also claimed they were forced to chew soap but see nothing wrong with it.

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No, you can spank your kids ass and its fine, put soap in their mouth its fine. But give them some hot sauce and a cold shower and off to the firing squad with those parents.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
The hot sauce thing does sound bizarre. Any links?

I wonder what kind of hot sauce and I need to find some chili.[/quote]

It was mild hot sauce because someone looked up the brand in the other thread. That is why I keep mentioning it. I don’t think it sounds any more strange than soap in the mouth. I never had anyone put soap in my mouth and that sounded strange until many of the same people who claim hot sauce is torture also claimed they were forced to chew soap but see nothing wrong with it.

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No, you can beat your kids ass and its fine, put soap in their mouth its fine. But give them some hot sauce and a cold shower and off to the firing squad with those parents.[/quote]

They are responding emotionally. I don’t know of any kid who got spankings and didn’t cry like they were being killed unless the spanking didn’t hurt at all and they had no respect for the parent. Meanwhile, they act like this kid crying is why he shouldn’t have hot sauce in his mouth. That makes no logical sense, especially with all of the posts in this thread cheering on physical punishment in one case but acting like it is off limits in the other.

It means that either these people are hypocrites or their parents should have had their children taken away.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
The hot sauce thing does sound bizarre. Any links?

I wonder what kind of hot sauce and I need to find some chili.[/quote]

It was mild hot sauce because someone looked up the brand in the other thread. That is why I keep mentioning it. I don’t think it sounds any more strange than soap in the mouth. I never had anyone put soap in my mouth and that sounded strange until many of the same people who claim hot sauce is torture also claimed they were forced to chew soap but see nothing wrong with it.

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No, you can beat your kids ass and its fine, put soap in their mouth its fine. But give them some hot sauce and a cold shower and off to the firing squad with those parents.[/quote]

They are responding emotionally. I don’t know of any kid who got spankings and didn’t cry like they were being killed unless the spanking didn’t hurt at all and they had no respect for the parent. Meanwhile, they act like this kid crying is why he shouldn’t have hot sauce in his mouth. That makes no logical sense, especially with all of the posts in this thread cheering on physical punishment in one case but acting like it is off limits in the other.

It means that either these people are hypocrites or their parents should have had their children taken away.[/quote]

I agree they are responding emotionally, as a kid towards the end of my dads life my brother and I did not turn in a homework assignment on time and we got thrown through a wall, so all this talk about hot sauce and a cold shower being child abuse really makes me face palm.