[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
It was pointed out in another article about the mormon mom that her husband claimed he got the cold shower routine from his experience in the military. He claims they were used to get your “attention”. The problem with that is that 7 year old boys are not normally accepted into the military. I’m pretty sure that a technique used on 18 year old or older recruits and soldiers is probably not appropriate for a 7 year old boy. [/quote]
But whipping that same kid with a belt is acceptable and appropriate? Who decided these rules? What specifically was the damage caused by a cold shower? He wasn’t submerged in water. He had water sprinkling on him while he sat in the tub. How do you relate that to water boarding?[/quote]
I never said whipping that same kid with a belt is acceptable and appropriate. Where did I say or imply that whipping a 7 year old boy with a belt was appropriate?
Who decided rules? They are called “social norms” and laws. When you have children, trying whipping them with extension cords and such as your means of punishment and see how long you have your children.
As for the cold shower, a few points. First, how did you go from “cold shower” as a military technique to “water boarding”?? My point was that the “cold shower” routine was one the father borrowed from his time in the military and he adopted it at home. My response was that what was appropriate for 18 year old and up recruits and enlisted men is hardly appropriate for a 7 year old boy. Did you miss that? Or was I not clear?
Now you ask what “damage” was done to the child by the cold shower? No physical damage. But is physical damage the only damage that is done to a human? Can’t you mistreat someone, or psychologically abuse someone and render damage upon them?
Are you really telling me that because he wasn’t “physically harmed” that the punishment is okay? Is that what you are saying? So, following your logic, we should be able to apply this punishment to younger children. Would you be comfortable shoving your 4 year old in the cold shower for lying? Your 3 year old? Because 3 and 4 year old kids know what lying is too. My 4 year old just got done lying to me and he knew exactly what he was doing. He had just uttered the word “faggot” which he has apparently picked up from his mother’s younger brothers. He knew it was a bad word. Would the cold shower be okay for this offense?
Anyway, I can’t believe anyone that defends it. That pretty much means you and I are doomed to agree to disagree or, endlessly debate the minutia of these respective events, past experiences and philosophies and, at the end of the day, neither of us will move from our beliefs. And maybe, just maybe, when you have a child - that little living breathing piece of you that you love above all else, you might just feel differently about some of the parenting methods that you have witnessed and declared “okay”. Or, maybe you will just perpetuate them.