[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I hope you got some test in there homeboy…
DG[/quote]
Cypionate
AAS wont have a real effect on you til you are at least 25 with more than three years training under your belt.
Feel free to ruin your hormones, live with these sides and do all this for nothing. If thats what you want to do no one can talk you out of it.
But trust me, when your cycle is done, money spent, time spent in the gym, food shoved down your throat you will look the same. All of this will most likely be for nothing.
Have fun on your journey nowhere.
Funny…you say you’re 18 in this video which was posted under three months ago.
Werent you posting around the same time on here talking about how you didnt want to take protein shakes because you wanted to do it “all natural”?
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_rate_image_performance/tryin_hard?id=2545599&pageNo=0
You should try injecting your NOxplode into your eyeballs. Makes your vision stronger.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Funny…you say you’re 18 in this video which was posted under three months ago.
I also had a video on there saying i was a 13 year old body builder. I lie on their all the time broski.
Your should try getting off the computer and off of T-Nation once in a while and go hang out with friends. Oh unless all these people on here are your only friends. Loser.
[quote]Rippemanewone wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Funny…you say you’re 18 in this video which was posted under three months ago.
I also had a video on there saying i was a 13 year old body builder. I lie on their all the time broski.
u should try injecting your NOxplode into your eyeballs. Makes your vision stronger
Your should try getting off the computer and off of T-Nation once in a while and go hang out with friends. Oh unless all these people on here are your only friends. Loser.[/quote]
So why are we supposed to believe you are the age you say you are instead of a snot nosed 18 year old punk trying to get information that we dont want to give to a teenager?
As for your little personal attack, Id just like you to note that I am killing time between classes. You’re posting gay muscle flex videos for pervs on youtube. Who’s the loser again?
[quote]Rippemanewone wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Funny…you say you’re 18 in this video which was posted under three months ago.
I also had a video on there saying i was a 13 year old body builder. I lie on their all the time broski.
u should try injecting your NOxplode into your eyeballs. Makes your vision stronger
Your should try getting off the computer and off of T-Nation once in a while and go hang out with friends. Oh unless all these people on here are your only friends. Loser.[/quote]
Hmmmmmm…ok.
ok bud, be sure to post before/after, and 6 month after pics so you can prove everyone wrong. My guess is you don’t hit 200 lbs at any point. I’ll bet a big mac.
I dont want to be 200 lbs… 185-190 of muscle at around 5-7% bodyfat is well enough for me.
And im done posting on here, BBB already answered my question, i dont need your guys flaming.
Im done with this topic. Peace
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
ok bud, be sure to post before/after, and 6 month after pics so you can prove everyone wrong. My guess is you don’t hit 200 lbs at any point. I’ll bet a big mac.[/quote]
I will see your big mac and raise you a triple Angry Whopper
Angry whoppers are so yummm.
and yes Op you need our flamings you will hurt yourself.
to the OP:
ahhh, so you have been initiated to the T-Nation steroid site by the head up their arse know it alls, who viciously flame anyone who dares ask a question that is perceived to be below the imagined standards of intelligence needed to participate in this forum.
hell, i am 41, been training 23 years, competed at a fairly high levbel in a variety of strength sports, squat and deadlifted over 650lbs, jerked over 300lbs, weighed over 260 at 5’7", and…
I AM AFRAID TO ASK A QUESTION IN THIS MOTHER FUCKER!!! LOL
advice, the first guy to respond to your question, BBB, PM him if you want intelligent well researched answers.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
to the OP:
ahhh, so you have been initiated to the T-Nation steroid site by the head up their arse know it alls, who viciously flame anyone who dares ask a question that is perceived to be below the imagined standards of intelligence needed to participate in this forum.
hell, i am 41, been training 23 years, competed at a fairly high levbel in a variety of strength sports, squat and deadlifted over 650lbs, jerked over 300lbs, weighed over 260 at 5’7", and…
I AM AFRAID TO ASK A QUESTION IN THIS MOTHER FUCKER!!! LOL
advice, the first guy to respond to your question, BBB, PM him if you want intelligent well researched answers.
[/quote]
With respect Thrower, do you think it is sensible for this kid to use Tren alone?
You are correct in the Dynamic of this forum of course - but it is due more to the enforcing of a certain level of research, which will give all posters the same information - give or take - rather than being too soft on those whose arrogance about their bad decision prevents any change to their plans.
The first post was totally fine - a very relevant question, and it had been answered over 2 particular posts (Nutrient Partitioning and AR binding affinity) but the thread changed topic after the OP decided to justify why he wanted or believed he needs AAS for continued results - this is where many get flamed, as at 20 there is much one can and will achieve. The simple drop in the metabolism that comes before 25 is enough to put on a large amount of size… but the arrogance of assuming that his training and diet are perfect yet still not bringing results (thus the need for AAS) is a prime example where many on this site will turn around and flame with harsh truth.
Due to the nature of the drugs and pop coverage, there are only too many lads who believe using will give them the body or lifts of their dreams - and this is what we try to dissuade from happening.
Maybe it comes across in the wrong way - especially if a long term poster feels like you do, but it is for the right reasons IMO.
Safety. Not imagined levels of intellect.
Brook
point well taken, but at other “levels” does the line between what the forum vets find an “acceptable” question and one that should get flammed. hell, i will prove my point, i will start a thread with a question i have had for quite some time, but have been afraid to present in this shark tank. we will see how it goes.
and my opinion on tren for the kid?
no, he is too young to start doping, unless he has a medical deficiency. and my understanding is tren is quite suppressive, and should be ran with test, if one should use it at all.
Well i never said i was going to run tren alone Brook. I did mention earlier that i was going to run it with cyp. However…
The reasoning of me wanting to take AAS is well yeah for me to get bigger/stronger. But this is quite embarrasing for me to say but at my age i should be full of energy, sex drive should be up to the top…
Its not… I dont know whats wrong with me, i get through my first 2 fuckin sets of lifting now and im drained. I take vitamins, eat vegetables chicken beef etc. I Get 8-10 hours of sleep a night. I try doing cardio. My sex drive isnt as high as it was 6 months ago.
Yeah it might sound unbelieveable and crazy (how the fuck could a 20 year old be losing his sex drive?)
Well guess what it fuckin depresses me and if i cant push myself MAX LIMIT in the gym, face it i wont grow. And getting pretty much burnt out after 2 sets? IS RIDICULOUS.
I dont have ENERGY to do ANYTHING anymore. I know you guys know what your talking about and i never said you didnt or 1 month ago i was putting up 300 5 times at 168lbs. Now i can barley get 265 for 4 i just had a DRAMATIC drop in energy and strength for NO REASON, i still eat ALOT i push myself in the gym even tho i feel like im gonna throw up through every workout.
So im sorry if i come off as a “know it all punk” cause thats not what or who i am
I respect you guys, im just in a depressed mood ever since this has been happening.
[quote]Rippemanewone wrote:
Well i never said i was going to run tren alone Brook. I did mention earlier that i was going to run it with cyp. However…
The reasoning of me wanting to take AAS is well yeah for me to get bigger/stronger. But this is quite embarrasing for me to say but at my age i should be full of energy, sex drive should be up to the top…
Its not… I dont know whats wrong with me, i get through my first 2 fuckin sets of lifting now and im drained. I take vitamins, eat vegetables chicken beef etc. I Get 8-10 hours of sleep a night. I try doing cardio. My sex drive isnt as high as it was 6 months ago.
Yeah it might sound unbelieveable and crazy (how the fuck could a 20 year old be losing his sex drive?)
Well guess what it fuckin depresses me and if i cant push myself MAX LIMIT in the gym, face it i wont grow. And getting pretty much burnt out after 2 sets? IS RIDICULOUS.
I dont have ENERGY to do ANYTHING anymore. I know you guys know what your talking about and i never said you didnt or 1 month ago i was putting up 300 5 times at 168lbs. Now i can barley get 265 for 4 i just had a DRAMATIC drop in energy and strength for NO REASON, i still eat ALOT i push myself in the gym even tho i feel like im gonna throw up through every workout.
So im sorry if i come off as a “know it all punk” cause thats not what or who i am
I respect you guys, im just in a depressed mood ever since this has been happening.[/quote]
If you are having trouble dealing with the peaks and troughs of natural training then how do you expect you will react when your stregth goes through the roof on tren only to come back down to normal after its done? The new info you’ve provided makes it sound like an even worse idea to introduce steroids at this point.
My opinion is that the smart thing to do would be to figure out why you have no sex drive and fleeting energy levels BEFORE you use steroids. If there are internal problems causing your ‘symptoms’ there is a chance AAS may exacerbate the problem.
I guess i just kinda got that feeling, “whatever i dont care anymore” cause not being able to workout like i use to and the whole sex drive thing really stresses me out.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
I HIGHLY DOUBT you get up at 3am and make eggs and a protein shake. [/quote]
Why?
I wake up twice during the night, unavoidably, and twice have a protein/eggs shake.
I don’t recommend someone interrupt their sleep on purpose but not everyone sleeps 8 hours through.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
My opinion is that the smart thing to do would be to figure out why you have no sex drive and fleeting energy levels BEFORE you use steroids. If there are internal problems causing your ‘symptoms’ there is a chance AAS may exacerbate the problem. [/quote]
Yeah i have an appointment today with my doc, so ill see whats going on and then ill get back to you guys with the info.
Rip,
Good idea. Low energy, morale, and libido is definitely not normal at your age. Make sure to look at:
- Thyroid => TSH, Free T4, Free T3
- Prolactin (it has an inverse relationship with dopamine - the feel good chemical in the brain)
- Total and Free testosterone (total to see if your body is producing adequately and free to see if it is not in proportion to your total indicating elevated estrogen or SHBG - sexual hormone binding globulin)
- Estrogen or more specifically E2 to see if you are in the optimal range of 20 pg/L on a 0-50 ref range (not sure if it’s pg/L or pg/ML??)
- LH and FSH to determine if the proper signals are being transmitted from your brain to the testes to produce testosterone.
- IGF-1 to see if your growth hormone production is up to par
- Insulin - fasted to check how your body is responding to your diet (simple carb intake)
- Glucose - fasted (same reason as 8)
- Cholesterol, HDL & LDL (HDL good / LDL bad)
- PSA to check for any sign of prostrate cancer which would preclude you from using any steroids
Others feel free to chime in with suggestions.
BBB,
Does this sound like a good version of coQ10?