Ultimate Fighter 5 4/26

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
eir hard.

I caught that part last week where the skinny kid was ready to take his shirt off because of the writing on the wall with his G chain swinging from his neck. Looked totally ridiculous and last nights cry fest didn’t inspire thoughts of him being a warrior.

D

i bet he could whup your ass.

You know, that’s what eats my ass the hardest. He probably could kick my ass. That said, I think he’s a bitch too. I don’t train to be an MMA fighter though. In any case, I used to box too. I sucked pretty hard at it but I learned a lot and it made me a better fighter than some schmoe on the street. All this said, and I am more getting on Gabe’s ass here, but while it takes a lot of balls to get in the ring/octagon in the first place, there is a second kind of courage found in discipline.

It takes courage to have to get up at 5 am and put your roadwork in when you just want to sleep. Discipline is physical courage. It takes courage to fight your urge to go play playstation when you have a test the next day and keep your eyes on your books. It takes courage to put down the damned piece of cake, or to get your ass in the sauna when you’re drained from making weight. Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

So that said, to hell with em both.

mike[/quote]
yeah, i know what you mean. i used to wrestle in high school and have done some grappling. not much cross training but it gives an edge against joe schmo at the bar. mostly by knowing how to read body movement and anticipate what is coming though some of the take downs look pretty impressive and intimidating to the average schmo, ironically usually the easiest to perform look the craziest.

yeah, i agree he was a bitch for not making weight, but it just strikes me as funny when people comment on fighters being bitches.

it is just the same as “arm chair coach fat ass” yelling about what Peyton Manning should have done and how if he were in Mannings position, he would have been so much better.

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Hill got a frickin gift even being on the show without ever having even fought. It’s obvious they want to keep him around for his personality.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
eir hard.

I caught that part last week where the skinny kid was ready to take his shirt off because of the writing on the wall with his G chain swinging from his neck. Looked totally ridiculous and last nights cry fest didn’t inspire thoughts of him being a warrior.

D

i bet he could whup your ass.

You know, that’s what eats my ass the hardest. He probably could kick my ass. That said, I think he’s a bitch too. I don’t train to be an MMA fighter though. In any case, I used to box too. I sucked pretty hard at it but I learned a lot and it made me a better fighter than some schmoe on the street. All this said, and I am more getting on Gabe’s ass here, but while it takes a lot of balls to get in the ring/octagon in the first place, there is a second kind of courage found in discipline.

It takes courage to have to get up at 5 am and put your roadwork in when you just want to sleep. Discipline is physical courage. It takes courage to fight your urge to go play playstation when you have a test the next day and keep your eyes on your books. It takes courage to put down the damned piece of cake, or to get your ass in the sauna when you’re drained from making weight. Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

So that said, to hell with em both.

mike
yeah, i know what you mean. i used to wrestle in high school and have done some grappling. not much cross training but it gives an edge against joe schmo at the bar. mostly by knowing how to read body movement and anticipate what is coming though some of the take downs look pretty impressive and intimidating to the average schmo, ironically usually the easiest to perform look the craziest.

yeah, i agree he was a bitch for not making weight, but it just strikes me as funny when people comment on fighters being bitches.

it is just the same as “arm chair coach fat ass” yelling about what Peyton Manning should have done and how if he were in Mannings position, he would have been so much better.
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I commented on the one kids antics about the graffiti and the other guy crying. I wouldn’t hesitate to say what I did to either one of them or you, face to face. I don’t think you would call me a “fat ass arm chair coach” either face to face.

D

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[quote]new2training wrote:
It seems like some of the “fighters” seem to like the idea of being in MMA but when it comes down to getting in the ring they are very, very timid. [/quote]

Yup. It used to be that guys were fighters first, and then worried about all the image/marketing/hype stuff second. (Hell, there was a guy who lost early on who admitted that he fought only as a way to give his restaurant free advertising.) Now they are a bunch of wannabe entrepreneurs and hype artists. When it comes to fighting, most of them look timid.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Hill got a frickin gift even being on the show without ever having even fought. It’s obvious they want to keep him around for his personality.[/quote]

I disagree. Emerson was timid and keep covering up and backing away. He did not push the action.

Plus, in theory all that matters is the fight. But the judges were likely thinking (as I was): “Emerson got a second chance. He shouldn’t even be fighting right now. He’d better do something spectacular.” Instead, Emerson fought a conservative fight and was therefore punished for it.

IMHO, the last round as a draw. In a system requiring 10-9, I would have given it to Hill for at least trying to push the action; and because Emerson “owed” it to everyone to do more than cover-up for most of the fight.

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[quote]someone wrote:
Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.
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Fighters don’t carry the extra weight because they want to eat cake all day. They carry the weight so that, after hydrating after weigh-ins, they’re carrying around as much or more weight than the other guy. So while they fight at 155, they weigh substantially more - usually 15-20 pounds.

For a variety of reasons, I’ve never liked the system that allows people to fight much heavier than they weigh in at. But no one has found a good solution for the problem. (And, of course, many like that people can fight heavier than they weigh-in at).

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
someone wrote:
Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

Fighters don’t carry the extra weight because they want to eat cake all day. They carry the weight so that, after hydrating after weigh-ins, they’re carrying around as much or more weight than the other guy. So while they fight at 155, they weigh substantially more - usually 15-20 pounds.

For a variety of reasons, I’ve never liked the system that allows people to fight much heavier than they weigh in at. But no one has found a good solution for the problem. (And, of course, many like that people can fight heavier than they weigh-in at).[/quote]

I think there is a diffrence between Gabe Rutiger weigh 175-180lbs and Sean Sherk weighhing 175-180

but overall I agree with you

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:I disagree. Emerson was timid and keep covering up and backing away. He did not push the action.

Plus, in theory all that matters is the fight. But the judges were likely thinking (as I was): “Emerson got a second chance. He shouldn’t even be fighting right now. He’d better do something spectacular.” Instead, Emerson fought a conservative fight and was therefore punished for it.

IMHO, the last round as a draw. In a system requiring 10-9, I would have given it to Hill for at least trying to push the action; and because Emerson “owed” it to everyone to do more than cover-up for most of the fight.[/quote]

I agree, although I thought Hill would have won no matter what. Emerson’s leg kicks were getting pretty damn nasty though. Then again, I don’t really know much about MMA.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
eir hard.

I caught that part last week where the skinny kid was ready to take his shirt off because of the writing on the wall with his G chain swinging from his neck. Looked totally ridiculous and last nights cry fest didn’t inspire thoughts of him being a warrior.

D

i bet he could whup your ass.

You know, that’s what eats my ass the hardest. He probably could kick my ass. That said, I think he’s a bitch too. I don’t train to be an MMA fighter though. In any case, I used to box too. I sucked pretty hard at it but I learned a lot and it made me a better fighter than some schmoe on the street. All this said, and I am more getting on Gabe’s ass here, but while it takes a lot of balls to get in the ring/octagon in the first place, there is a second kind of courage found in discipline.

It takes courage to have to get up at 5 am and put your roadwork in when you just want to sleep. Discipline is physical courage. It takes courage to fight your urge to go play playstation when you have a test the next day and keep your eyes on your books. It takes courage to put down the damned piece of cake, or to get your ass in the sauna when you’re drained from making weight. Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

So that said, to hell with em both.

mike
yeah, i know what you mean. i used to wrestle in high school and have done some grappling. not much cross training but it gives an edge against joe schmo at the bar. mostly by knowing how to read body movement and anticipate what is coming though some of the take downs look pretty impressive and intimidating to the average schmo, ironically usually the easiest to perform look the craziest.

yeah, i agree he was a bitch for not making weight, but it just strikes me as funny when people comment on fighters being bitches.

it is just the same as “arm chair coach fat ass” yelling about what Peyton Manning should have done and how if he were in Mannings position, he would have been so much better.

I commented on the one kids antics about the graffiti and the other guy crying. I wouldn’t hesitate to say what I did to either one of them or you, face to face. I don’t think you would call me a “fat ass arm chair coach” either face to face.

D[/quote]

ooooohhhh! internet tough guy! so scawwwyy!!

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
someone wrote:
Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

Fighters don’t carry the extra weight because they want to eat cake all day. They carry the weight so that, after hydrating after weigh-ins, they’re carrying around as much or more weight than the other guy. So while they fight at 155, they weigh substantially more - usually 15-20 pounds.

For a variety of reasons, I’ve never liked the system that allows people to fight much heavier than they weigh in at. But no one has found a good solution for the problem. (And, of course, many like that people can fight heavier than they weigh-in at).[/quote]

in UIL wrestling orginizations, you have a scratch weight. you can only go up or down a set amount of pounds from that weight, usually 1 or 2 weight classes in either direction but where weight classes are some times 4 lbs different from each other.

implementing a scratch weight wouldn’t be that bad an idea.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
texasguy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
eir hard.

I caught that part last week where the skinny kid was ready to take his shirt off because of the writing on the wall with his G chain swinging from his neck. Looked totally ridiculous and last nights cry fest didn’t inspire thoughts of him being a warrior.

D

i bet he could whup your ass.

You know, that’s what eats my ass the hardest. He probably could kick my ass. That said, I think he’s a bitch too. I don’t train to be an MMA fighter though. In any case, I used to box too. I sucked pretty hard at it but I learned a lot and it made me a better fighter than some schmoe on the street. All this said, and I am more getting on Gabe’s ass here, but while it takes a lot of balls to get in the ring/octagon in the first place, there is a second kind of courage found in discipline.

It takes courage to have to get up at 5 am and put your roadwork in when you just want to sleep. Discipline is physical courage. It takes courage to fight your urge to go play playstation when you have a test the next day and keep your eyes on your books. It takes courage to put down the damned piece of cake, or to get your ass in the sauna when you’re drained from making weight. Buuuuut, it takes an equal amount of courage to stay disciplined week in and week out and NOT have to battle to make weight in those last 2 hours.

So that said, to hell with em both.

mike
yeah, i know what you mean. i used to wrestle in high school and have done some grappling. not much cross training but it gives an edge against joe schmo at the bar. mostly by knowing how to read body movement and anticipate what is coming though some of the take downs look pretty impressive and intimidating to the average schmo, ironically usually the easiest to perform look the craziest.

yeah, i agree he was a bitch for not making weight, but it just strikes me as funny when people comment on fighters being bitches.

it is just the same as “arm chair coach fat ass” yelling about what Peyton Manning should have done and how if he were in Mannings position, he would have been so much better.

I commented on the one kids antics about the graffiti and the other guy crying. I wouldn’t hesitate to say what I did to either one of them or you, face to face. I don’t think you would call me a “fat ass arm chair coach” either face to face.

D

ooooohhhh! internet tough guy! so scawwwyy!! [/quote]

Typical punk ass response.

D

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I had something really good to say, but then I noticed the figure competitor on the left side of the screen and forgot what it was.

I don’t think leg-kicks are scored enough. I know its round by round scoring, but taking a look at that hill-emerson fight from an overall perspective, emerson easily did way more damage…that has to be taken into account somehow.

I’ve talked to a couple guys who did auditions, and they said a lot of the audition was reality-show based with Dana and a few guys from Spike being interested in what kind of TV characters these guys would make. Obviously they threw in some talent like Diaz, J-Lau, Wiman, Maynard, etc etc, but the borderline guys such as Hill, Wang, Emerson, and Berube probably got on based on their personality appeal (whatever that may have been.)

As for Gabe, believe it or not, he was actually one of the guys who should have done very well on the show. He is actually a fairly talented fighter with some solid fighting credentials.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
I’ve talked to a couple guys who did auditions, and they said a lot of the audition was reality-show based with Dana and a few guys from Spike being interested in what kind of TV characters these guys would make. Obviously they threw in some talent like Diaz, J-Lau, Wiman, Maynard, etc etc, but the borderline guys such as Hill, Wang, Emerson, and Berube probably got on based on their personality appeal (whatever that may have been.) [/quote]

The beautiful irony, of course, is that the personalities haven’t been enough to carry ratings, which are at an all-time low. Next week (like this week) will have two fights.

People like Dana White who want to WWEify MMA are learning that while personalities count, people are firstly interested in the actual fights.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hill got a frickin gift even being on the show without ever having even fought. It’s obvious they want to keep him around for his personality.

I disagree. Emerson was timid and keep covering up and backing away. He did not push the action.

Plus, in theory all that matters is the fight. But the judges were likely thinking (as I was): “Emerson got a second chance. He shouldn’t even be fighting right now. He’d better do something spectacular.” Instead, Emerson fought a conservative fight and was therefore punished for it.

IMHO, the last round as a draw. In a system requiring 10-9, I would have given it to Hill for at least trying to push the action; and because Emerson “owed” it to everyone to do more than cover-up for most of the fight.[/quote]

I agree to a point, I think Emerson has no one to blame but himself for the loss. It was obvious he was fighting to not lose in round 3. But I still think Emerson won that last round based on damage done by the leg kicks. I also saw the first round as a draw, but hell maybe I am crazy.

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[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
If you include the finales, then there’s no way that fight was better than Griffin-Bonnar or Herman-Grove.

I don’t think Dana is including the finales. He’s only talking about the ‘exhibition’ fights that take place at the UFC training facility with no audience. Even then, I wouldn’t call Diaz-Emerson the best fight of the series.

  • Cummo-Morgan was a back-and-forth affair that ended with a sweet muay thai knee to the noggin KO.

  • Burkman-Guillard was a fast-paced war with tons of great takedowns, scrambles, and sweeps.

  • Bonnar finishing off an over-aggressive Mike Swick with a triangle was good stuff

  • Tito’s called shot on the high kick in the Singer-Hutcherson fight was a thing of beauty even if the kick itself was hideous.[/quote]

I agree with everyone who felt that the Diaz-Emerson fight was over-hyped as being so great. In addition to the above list of fights that were better from previous seasons, I feel that the Kalib Starnes-Kendall Grove semifinal from Season 3 was among the best as well. That fight was a back-and-forth struggle in which both fighters showed a lot of skill. Eventually Starnes had to throw in the towel in the 3rd round due to a rib injury.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I agree to a point, I think Emerson has no one to blame but himself for the loss. It was obvious he was fighting to not lose in round 3. But I still think Emerson won that last round based on damage done by the leg kicks. I also saw the first round as a draw, but hell maybe I am crazy.[/quote]

In a perfect world, you are right that Emerson won the fight. But when he said after the fight, “I didn’t go harder because I was afraid Cory would take me down and thus score points,” I lost all sympathy for the guy. If you leave it to the judges, you deserve whatever they give you.

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What changes would you guys make so the fights would be more interesting (or at least fights)?

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[quote]treco wrote:
What changes would you guys make so the fights would be more interesting (or at least fights)?[/quote]

I institute a point reduction system for stalling, much like the yellow card Pride employed.

Allow knees/kicks to the head on the ground.

Give a clear outline of what judges should be scoring. Ambiguous criteria such as “Octagon control” lead to unbalanced judging. Sometimes takedowns count greatly, other times they don’t. Consistency would be nice.

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I’m fairly new to watching MMA but have taken an interest in it of late.

What is the general feel for the Rogan guy who calls some of the Spike fights?

He annoys the crap out of me. To me, he makes some pretty off the wall comments, and screams into the mike a little too much.

Is he well liked, or considered knowledgeable?

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[quote]new2training wrote:
I’m fairly new to watching MMA but have taken an interest in it of late.

What is the general feel for the Rogan guy who calls some of the Spike fights?

He annoys the crap out of me. To me, he makes some pretty off the wall comments, and screams into the mike a little too much.

Is he well liked, or considered knowledgeable?[/quote]

He’s just a huge fan who stumbled into the position (he’s normally a stand up comedian). He doesn’t claim to be an expert or anything, but he is pretty damn knowledgeable (especially BJJ, in which he has a purple belt under Eddie Bravo). He’s kind of a mixed bag you’ll find, some people love him some hate him.

Either way, I don’t think Joe gives a shit what people think of him, he’s just having fun.