I don’t think Brock will mind getting bloodied up a little bit. He may actually like it. He strikes me as a crazy motherfucker. And his neck is like a tree trunk so there is no way he is getting knocked out.
As far as Couture not looking like he’s ready to fight HW, to me it looks like he is slow-playing his hand to lull Brock into overconfidence.
I hope Randy wins, but I don’t think he will. I am excited for the fight though.
Couture wins in third round.
I think this boils down to the weightclass fallacy.
The idea that heavyweight is everything over 200+ is just not applicable to today.
A large framed, steroid fed athlete who’s received modern training and had the opportunity to progressivly add muscle for a few years is a lot larger then a few decades ago.
Even in Boxing, where this idea (probably?) blossomed, you rarely see Fighters who come in as light as 200 lbs, yet alone champions, who are often freakish in size.
And by that I don’t mean necessarily the mutant Valuev. Even guys like Lemon Brewster look like Hercules compared to bygone boxing era champions like Marciano.
Superheavyweiht 225+ ?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
analog_kid wrote: He might freak out and piss his pants if he has to fight covered in blood.
Doubt it. Highly.
Lesnar has the Midwestern/farm boy tough thing going for him. In addition to his actual training. A little bit of blood isn’t nothing he didn’t see growing up in Minnesota.
Living in Cali but having grown up elsewhere, I appreciate the toughness that working on a farm and going through long cold winters breeds.
No way he’s going to freak out over blood. [/quote]
That was just a bit of sarcasm on my part. Still, the guy really hasn’t had some one stand in front of him and punch him in the face yet. Could very much be non-issue but you never know.
I think blood plays a role in fights. The extent of that role varies greatly from fighter to fighter. Brock might be a bleeder. Anything can happen.
I agree with you on Randy just not being the fighter everyone makes him out to be. 6 months ago everyone was talking like he could beat Fedor(which is something I never believed), now he is going to be killed by a big giant MMA newb? Which is it people?
PS - People from Minnesota are pussies. Just ask anyone from Wisconsin.
Styles make fights.
Fedor might be a more technical problem, while Brock has “dynamic mass” among his greatest assets. Which is perhaps a bigger problem for an aging fighter.
Or let me ask you, how possible is a submission victory for Lesnar?
I agree that a heavy BJJ guy like Gonzaga or Nog will be the greatest threat for Lesnar.
Brock doesn’t have the cardio or experience to beat Randy in a 5 rounder. If it was 3 I could see Brock winning the first 2 rounds and getting unan. decision, but he is NOT going to finish Randy. I honestly think that Randy will win by sub or TKO in the 3rd, maybe 4th round.
Will rolling with Rodrigo Comprido be a factor in Lesnar’s favor?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I think this boils down to the weightclass fallacy.
The idea that heavyweight is everything over 200+ is just not applicable to today.
A large framed, steroid fed athlete who’s received modern training and had the opportunity to progressivly add muscle for a few years is a lot larger then a few decades ago.
Even in Boxing, where this idea (probably?) blossomed, you rarely see Fighters who come in as light as 200 lbs, yet alone champions, who are often freakish in size.
And by that I don’t mean necessarily the mutant Valuev. Even guys like Lemon Brewster look like Hercules compared to bygone boxing era champions like Marciano.
Superheavyweiht 225+ ?[/quote]
Heavyweight is not anything over 205 pounds. It is 205-265 pounds. Randy Couture moved up to heavyweight willingly after fighting at 205 pounds, his natural weight class. If there is any fallacy here it’s by Randy’s own choice. And, just to add, heavyweight has moved up 30 pounds over the years. Heavyweight boxing was originally 175 pounds.
Just to add to that, while I agree with your sentiments, we have seen time and time again that guys who are 230-240 pounds have faired rather well against the 270-280 pound guys like Barnett and Sylvia. Anyone smaller that is, or should be, cutting to 205 pounds. I don’t really see a need to further break up a weight class that is already on life support when it comes to growing talent.
175? Interesting.
I know that there is a cap, but that is a different topic.
And yes, it’s Randy’s “fault”, but the question remains if the weight disparity doesn’t beg for a new weight class or a redesign. 200lbs just sounds nice.
Take K1, is there anyone who can seriously compete under 225? Leko perhaps, but that’s his biggest weakness. Badr Hari is the lightest champion, but still around 100KG+, and he’s addded a lot of meat over the last years.
The heavies got bigger, and sometimes the weight disparity gets ridiculous these days, that is my main point.
Judo has good weight classes imho.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Just to add to that, while I agree with your sentiments, we have seen time and time again that guys who are 230-240 pounds have faired rather well against the 270-280 pound guys like Barnett and Sylvia. Anyone smaller that is, or should be, cutting to 205 pounds. I don’t really see a need to further break up a weight class that is already on life support when it comes to growing talent.[/quote]
Good argument.
Since I’m in favour of weighing fighters in on fighting day, many of those you’d mentioned would rather fight in a more natural superheavy as opposed to sweating themself down.
[quote]joshjuk wrote:
I saw an interview with Lesnar and he is not a very likeable guy at all. Randy is a much better personality. Its hard to cheer for a guy who is anti-social and a prick.[/quote]
LMFAO. You don’t have a clue, do you? Couture has cheated on every wife he’s had. And no one who has done business with him has felt anything but burned. Randy Couture is bad person.
That doesn’t matter to me. I want to watch fights, not personalities.
On a disappointing side note my friend and teammate was supposed to fight Sadollah and because of a leg infection Sadollah pulled out. Due to it being so last minute they were unable to secure a replacement and Nick will have to wait to make his UFC debut.
Everybody’s got plans…until they get hit. --Mike Tyson
I came across this quote and thought of this fight. Might just be the story of this fight.
i think the fight will stay standing. While I can see either guy taking the other down, I dont see either one being able to keep the other there. Standing I think Randy might have the more technical advantage - Brock has power, but catching Herring affected the rest of the fight, but a hard shot that lands clean and shatters the orbital isnt something he can rely on every fight. I think the fight goes the distance, Randy by judges decision.
I will say that I’m surprised that everyone seems to be at two opposite ends of the extreme. Yes, Brock did basically lay n pray Herring, but he was savage when he got Mir on the ground (again, I dont think Brock can keep Randy there, which partly influences my pick for the fight.) And yes, while Randy’s racapturing of the title belt came against a “fight not to lose” fighter, his defense against Gonzaga was against a guy coming off a highlight reel KO, with a size advantage and a BJJ black belt. Gabe had more experience than brock and a better ground game - does the fact that brock out weighs gonzaga by 20-40 lbs (depending what lesnar actually weighs stepping into the ring) really offset that disadvantage by enough that he’ll succeed where gonzaga failed? we’ll find out saturday night.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:… but catching Herring affected the rest of the fight, but a hard shot that lands clean and shatters the orbital isnt something he can rely on every fight…
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Yep. This can’t be stressed enough. A rematch would go in Herring favour, I’m pretty sure of that.
Randy will win, because he’s experienced and will be well prepared. He’ll slowly suck the life of the Behemoth Brock.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
KBCThird wrote:… but catching Herring affected the rest of the fight, but a hard shot that lands clean and shatters the orbital isnt something he can rely on every fight…
Yep. This can’t be stressed enough. A rematch would go in Herring favour, I’m pretty sure of that.
Randy will win, because he’s experienced and will be well prepared. He’ll slowly suck the life of the Behemoth Brock.[/quote]
I think that has to be part of Randy’s gameplan for the fight…he probably wants to drag Lesnar into the fourth and fifth round and see if Lesnar can hang…hopefully he doesn’t get too tired himself in the process.
I believe Randy will take it by decision. Experience is something Brock does not have overall. I also think we will see some of Randy’s guard in action, because Brock one way or the other will get a takedown within in the first or second round while his energy levels are still high.
Whatever happens it will be a tough match for both men.
I think its weird people are saying the wrestling is even. As far as i know Brock does not have the Greco background just the freestyle. Its not like Randy is gonna be shooting, hes going to work from the clinch using his Greco and Dirty Boxing, from there hes going to ground and pound Brocks face to a bloody mess. I reallly can’t stand Lesnar this guy is a total asshole and if Randy does not win i hope Noguiera gets the next shot at Brock.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Repeat of Barnett-Couture.
You guys forget that Couture left the HW division because he wasn’t strong enough.
In a snorefest, he beat a Tim Sylvia who needed back surgery, and Gabe Gonzaga, and suddenly everyone is, “Oh, never bet against The Natural.”
Mythmaking in action.
Fact: Couture is 16-8. He wasn’t strong enough for HW, so he dropped to LHW. He got KTFO twice as a LHW so he retired.
Lesnar is going to TKO Couture.[/quote]
Or worse. Lesnar will go after Randy’s eye. When he cracks that bone again, its over.