UFC 91 - Couture vs. Lesnar

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Not that it is even relavent to the original argument, but what the hell.

Distribution by Actual Weight in MN, ND, and SD HS wrestling

Weight No. Pct.
103 605 6.22%
112 647 6.65%
119 580 5.96%
125 646 6.64%
130 589 6.05%
135 605 6.22%
140 689 7.08%
145 601 6.18%
152 856 8.80%
160 815 8.37%
171 826 8.49%
189 873 8.97%
215 723 7.43%
275 677 6.96%

What a competition disparity! But if you wrestled or knew anything about wrestling, you would know this.

Yawn.[/quote]

Coming hard with the stats. Really? This is your evidence? You’ve got me convinced now, there are just as many heavy weight wrestlers as there are other weight classes, the competition experienced is the same. It’s not that every school wouldn’t just field a heavyweight out’ve the small pool they’ve got in order to have someone competing there, no that wouldn’t be it.

I don’t even really know how what you’re arguing has countered anything we’ve said.

Brock is a collegiate HW champ, highly decorated for his weight class.

HW’s do not have the same number of athletes competing for spots, hence they do not experience the same level of competition for their slots.

What are you arguing exactly? You say my reading comprehension needs work, but your dumb ass is the one who can’t really explain what the fuck he is trying to argue. Either you’re saying heavyweights have the same amount of competitors and thus the same amount of competition as lower weightclasses - which I’m not even going to entertain as an argument because it is baseless, or you don’t have a fucking argument and are just piping off to let your cum receptacle air out.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
No this is a little dated but here is what Randy had to say about the fight.

http://videos.mmaweekly.com/view_player.php?id=2863

What really irks me is everyone assuming he is going to hang it up after this. Even Joe Rogan asks him if he is going to fight again, right after the fight.

Randy looked really good in this fight and would be a handfull for anyone at HW or 205. He is still one of the best fighters at either weight class and I hope we get to see him fight a bunch more fights. I can’t think of anyone else he wouldn’t have a very good chance at beating. What did people see in this fight that made them think he can’t complete anymore? He’s handling these stupid questions far better than I would.[/quote]

This is exactly how i feel but did a poor job expressing it right off the bat because the people saying he got his ass beat and was completely dominated pissed me off.

I thought he was doing very well at sticking to a gameplan that would allow him to win. And his face did not look to bad fro the wear after the fight, nothing like hearing or mir.

Now if Brock can beat Mir or Nog then I will give him all of my respect, I just wasn’t going to jump on the wagon because he beat someone he matched very well against so early in his career.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Not that it is even relavent to the original argument, but what the hell.

Distribution by Actual Weight in MN, ND, and SD HS wrestling

Weight No. Pct.
103 605 6.22%
112 647 6.65%
119 580 5.96%
125 646 6.64%
130 589 6.05%
135 605 6.22%
140 689 7.08%
145 601 6.18%
152 856 8.80%
160 815 8.37%
171 826 8.49%
189 873 8.97%
215 723 7.43%
275 677 6.96%

What a competition disparity! But if you wrestled or knew anything about wrestling, you would know this.

Yawn.

Coming hard with the stats. Really? This is your evidence? You’ve got me convinced now, there are just as many heavy weight wrestlers as there are other weight classes, the competition experienced is the same. It’s not that every school wouldn’t just field a heavyweight out’ve the small pool they’ve got in order to have someone competing there, no that wouldn’t be it.

I don’t even really know how what you’re arguing has countered anything we’ve said.

Brock is a collegiate HW champ, highly decorated for his weight class.

HW’s do not have the same number of athletes competing for spots, hence they do not experience the same level of competition for their slots.

What are you arguing exactly? You say my reading comprehension needs work, but your dumb ass is the one who can’t really explain what the fuck he is trying to argue. Either you’re saying heavyweights have the same amount of competitors and thus the same amount of competition as lower weightclasses - which I’m not even going to entertain as an argument because it is baseless, or you don’t have a fucking argument and are just piping off to let your cum receptacle air out.[/quote]

These are HS stats. Nobody gets cut in HS. That’s why there are some differences in the numbers. Understand?

I don’t know how much simpler I can make this for you?

He said Brock’s wrestling pedigree was overhyped. Read that twice if you need to.

I said Brock’s wrestling pedigree is exactly what everyone says it is, and therefor can not be hype. Still following?

I haven’t heard anyone say Brock was the best wrestler on the planet. I haven’t heard anyone say he is the best HW wrestler on the planet. Compared to anyother HW in MMA, his pedigree is very impressive. More impressive than any other HW in MMA right now. Explain to me why that is hype.

Now, slightly off topic as I mentioned in the post you quoted but still can’t comprehend. Again, this has nothing to do with Brock, only with the statement that competition among HW wrestlers is shit.

Up here we grow real men so the HW numbers are very similar to any other weight class. You would know this if you simply read the post you quoted. This is HS. They don’t feild the same number of guys at every weight class. If they did the numbers would be identical. They take who ever signs up. Some weight classes have one or two people, some have more. Some of the lighter weight classes have be filled from the junior high squad. At least this is how it works here in wrestling country.

You’re stating that somehow HW wrestlers do not work as hard or have to compete at the same level. This is absolute nonsense. HW certainly wrestle a bit differently, but it takes no more or no less skill and dedication. Do offensive lineman in football have to compete? Are there more guys going out for running back or quarterback?

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I once read that the best heavyweight boxer on the planet is playing defensive end or tight end in the NFL. I’d say that holds true for the best MMA fighter as well.

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That’s a bold statement. I would have agreed with you for some other sports, but boxing? No way. Quite different physical attributes needed.

Although, I agree that the “freak athlete” trait for MMA is underrated. I blame Bob Sapp for that :slight_smile:

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Not that it is even relavent to the original argument, but what the hell.

Distribution by Actual Weight in MN, ND, and SD HS wrestling

Weight No. Pct.
103 605 6.22%
112 647 6.65%
119 580 5.96%
125 646 6.64%
130 589 6.05%
135 605 6.22%
140 689 7.08%
145 601 6.18%
152 856 8.80%
160 815 8.37%
171 826 8.49%
189 873 8.97%
215 723 7.43%
275 677 6.96%

What a competition disparity! But if you wrestled or knew anything about wrestling, you would know this.

Yawn.[/quote]

LOL at how stupid you are. Look at the jump from 215 to 275. They need a full 60 pound gap in order of fill a heavyweight slot. The other weight classes have as many or MORE than just the heavyweights, and those are only 5-9 weight variations.

So the data supports what we’ve been saying: Heavyweight wrestling competition is less stiff. Just to fill the class, they need to have a 60 pound gap. What would the 275 pound division look like if there were classes for 225, 235, 245, 255, and 265?

Exactly.

Man, I’m ashamed of myself for even talking to you. In real life, you’d be so outside my circle that we’d never even have met.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Not that it is even relavent to the original argument, but what the hell.

Distribution by Actual Weight in MN, ND, and SD HS wrestling

Weight No. Pct.
103 605 6.22%
112 647 6.65%
119 580 5.96%
125 646 6.64%
130 589 6.05%
135 605 6.22%
140 689 7.08%
145 601 6.18%
152 856 8.80%
160 815 8.37%
171 826 8.49%
189 873 8.97%
215 723 7.43%
275 677 6.96%

What a competition disparity! But if you wrestled or knew anything about wrestling, you would know this.

Yawn.

LOL at how stupid you are. Look at the jump from 215 to 275. They need a full 60 pound gap in order of fill a heavyweight slot. The other weight classes have as many or MORE than just the heavyweights, and those are only 5-9 weight variations.
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What does the gap have to do with anything? The number of kids are the number of kids. And how would this jive with the statement that the 150 to 170lb classes are the most competitive? Wouldn’t the lighter weight classes then be the most competitive?

[quote]
So the data supports what we’ve been saying: Heavyweight wrestling competition is less stiff. Just to fill the class, they need to have a 60 pound gap. What would the 275 pound division look like if there were classes for 225, 235, 245, 255, and 265?

Exactly.

Man, I’m ashamed of myself for even talking to you. In real life, you’d be so outside my circle that we’d never even have met.[/quote]
You’d probably be cutting my grass or picking up my trash. I’de make an effort to introduce myself, maybe even give you a tip around the holidays if you did a nice job.

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Forgive me if it’s already been mentioned in this thread, but did anyone else notice that Randy looked skinnier and smoother than he did in his fights against Gonzaga and Sylvia? And I believe he weighed in at 220 against Lesnar, whereas I believe he weighed in at 228 (with better abs) against Gonzaga. (Correct me if I’m wrong on those numbers.)

He also looked physically slower against Lesnar. He truly looked more slow and plodding, less nimble, like you might expect from an older guy.

I have a feeling that, conditioning-wise and strength-wise, Randy might not have been at his best this time around. And I’m sure he can change that; the Gonzaga fight was only a year earlier, not 5 years ago or something.

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Yes, Couture looked smaller.

The NSAC is now testing athletes in between fights.

So you’re going to see more guys look smaller fight time, since their cycles won’t be as long or as good.

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
dhickey wrote:
All sports complete for the genetically gifted. MMA being more popular and more profitable will get it a larger share of these atheletes. Not terribly complicated.

Yup. Right now the top echelon of MMA is composed almost exclusively of brazilians, weird white guys and ex-wrestlers who still want to compete.
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So there’s no Brazilian, white guy or ex wrestler genetic freaks? I can think plenty of fighters whose genetics I would pick over someone like Reggie Bush in MMA. But that’s just me.

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Sorry if this has been brought up already, but I was a bit suprised at how Brock looked compared to his WWE days. Sure he is still huge but he looks to be weaker than before, I may be wrong. Does anyone know if he has changed his strength training regime?

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[quote]Mr. Strong wrote:
Sorry if this has been brought up already, but I was a bit suprised at how Brock looked compared to his WWE days. Sure he is still huge but he looks to be weaker than before, I may be wrong. Does anyone know if he has changed his strength training regime? [/quote]

I am sure his training is much diffent. I can’t imagine he is focusing as much on weight training as he was. Plus, he has to make weight.

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Maybe its the pills that WWE is vending.

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Maybe its the pills that WWE is vending.[/quote]

That’s impossible! You take that back…RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

I just F5’d you with my keyboard,buddy!