Maybe it’s just me, but i dont want to watch violence against women. Something about watching a women get punched, choked, and generally beat up just does not appeal to me. I am not in any way saying they should not be allowed to fight, and promoted the same as men, but it’s something i have ZERO interest in and find it repulsive. God speed if the market will support it.
That said, MEGA LOLZ at anyone who paid money to watch that “fight”. Peter McNeeley vs Tyson was a war compared to this junk.
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Sure I can see where you’re all coming form. It isn’t viable solution. I understand know why it isn’t possible to implement my suggestion which is fair enough. It does seem a little silly. So to yous who no more about it, it wil seem out right stupid.
I guess I’ll have to gain an appreciation for submissions. [/quote]
Playing devil’s advocate here, but…
If I was a competitor with no morals (think Gerard Gordeau) and they implemented this rule, I would just tear the limb off when I get a submission. This way, I could guarantee that the fight is over instead of just winning one round.
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Yeah, it would definitely incentive causing severe injury before your opponent has the opportunity to tap. A submission victory is basically an opponent admitting that if allowed to continue he would be TKO’d with an injury if allowed to continue and he would just rather not sustain the injury.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
A KO is different because guys can not have recovered for the next round. A lot of tap outs are (obviously legit) but before the person has experienced that much pain. They just no they are, like you say, in the hands of someone who is in an utterly dominate position.
But anyway, that a side, I don’t have any technical articulate way of describing my opinion, other than saying, as a spectator submissions don’t do it for me. And I don’t think they are the equivalent of a true KO.
I think they hugely leave people wanting more.
To put it one way, far more people will search for videos of the best KOs, best fights (mma and boxing) than will search for “the best submissions”
I aren’t under any illusion im right. Just wondered if any regular ufc viewers think the same. [/quote]
I think anyone who has played judo or BJJ at a reasonably high level can literally cripple someone who wont tap , potentially more devastating long term then a KO.
on the same card - Mark Munoz got put to sleep- in a few seconds from a choke.
Since Dark Ninjaa doesn’t come around anymore, I have to ask if there is anyone here who still thinks Cyborg would have a realistic chance against this chick? I’m at the point now of thinking Ronda could go up to 145 and she would still make quick work of Chrissy.
I tend to agree. Cyborg is bigger and stronger, but that’s really the only thing she’s got going for her and IMO she doesn’t have enough of an advantage there to turn the tides in her favor. I would also definitely say Ronda is several magnitudes of skill above Cyborg in everything except striking (and Cyborg is not much if any better in that department either).
That said I don’t really see any reason for Ronda to go up to fight her at this point. Maybe in a couple years if there is still no legitimate competition for her there might be money/reason to do so, but not yet; and I see no chance of Cyborg making 135.
I kind of understand where Carlton is coming from. Sometimes the submission holds just look like super-slick, razor sharp technique, not devastating, fight ending joint crushing moves.
Like if you high kicked at me, and I grabbed your foot and kicked your back leg out. You fell down, and I dominated you technique wise, but its not like a “real” boxing style knock down.
If you go way back to old school catch-as-catch-can professional wrestling (Karl Gotch v. The Russian Lion) matches were decided by best 2 of 3 pins or submissions. So its not like his idea is unheard of.
That said, if one guy can end the fight by knock-out, its only fair that the other guy can end it by submission.
As far I know, there were no punches or kicks (the ref could see) in early pro wrestling.
Rousey-
She is awesome in the “transitions.” Somewhere, 2/3 of the way through the take-down, she is already angling to grab that arm. Then her set-up blows my mind. Her opponents always seem to turn the wrong way, right into the arm bar. I’ve been watching in slow motion trying to figure it out. Like the reverse of a cradle or something.
specifically the guillotine choke. As a wrestler, you use your head to control during takedowns.
You shoot a picture perfect double leg take-down on a BJJ guy. He doesn’t even try to defend it! You get in there so deep, and he just reaches down and grabs your neck. You slam him, flat on his back in the center of the ring. The BJJ guy has so little self respect he just lays there, square on his back underneath you. Even a dog won’t let you hold him on his back. Maybe he even wraps his legs around you like a girl. You’re embarrassed for him.
But then you’re choked, with snot running out of your nose, ropey spit hanging out of your mouth, and the match is over.
[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
I kind of understand where Carlton is coming from. Sometimes the submission holds just look like super-slick, razor sharp technique, not devastating, fight ending joint crushing moves.
Like if you high kicked at me, and I grabbed your foot and kicked your back leg out. You fell down, and I dominated you technique wise, but its not like a “real” boxing style knock down.
If you go way back to old school catch-as-catch-can professional wrestling (Karl Gotch v. The Russian Lion) matches were decided by best 2 of 3 pins or submissions. So its not like his idea is unheard of.
That said, if one guy can end the fight by knock-out, its only fair that the other guy can end it by submission.
As far I know, there were no punches or kicks (the ref could see) in early pro wrestling.
Rousey-
She is awesome in the “transitions.” Somewhere, 2/3 of the way through the take-down, she is already angling to grab that arm. Then her set-up blows my mind. Her opponents always seem to turn the wrong way, right into the arm bar. I’ve been watching in slow motion trying to figure it out. Like the reverse of a cradle or something. [/quote]
I’d agree with above poster that said more competitors would apply the submission with the intent to do damage, if submissions didn’t win immediately. Guys would do dirtier moves like neck/spine cranks, they be more aggressive on the chokes… there’s a big difference between looking for the sweet spot to apply a sleeper hold, and just clamping down on the trachea. I’d rather get punched square in the jaw than have someone full on try to assassinate me in the ring.
The catch wrestling analogy is off because chokes usually weren’t legal in catch wrestling, and pins hardly count for anything in mma