[quote]DN90 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Overeem’s conditioning is terrible
He will not be able to stop the early single and double attempts
Once on the ground he will get finished
Oh and his chin is awful
I could see Cain catching Overeem, his only good offensive positions standing are striking with one two’s from distance and knees in the clinch, with Cain’s pace, I see Overeem crumbling.[/quote]
I love the MMA genies who just know how bad Overeems conditioning and chin are. Especially since hes such a different fighter and trains so differently now than he did 5 years ago which is what everyone bases this off of.
His conditioning held up pretty good in K-1 when he won the grand prix, and he took shots from guys that hit harder than almost anyone in the UFC, so i wouldnt be so quick to judge. [/quote]
If I had to pick I’d probably say Overeem will beat Cain, but the point about conditioning is a valid one.
The reason JDS and other strikers have gotten tired early against Cain was the constant threat of a takedown. In K-1 there’s no takedown threat. And Cain doesn’t seem like he’ll get discouraged once his first few takedown attempts are stopped. He’ll keep trying. That’s how Alistair may get tired. His fights at HW have mostly been ended in the first round, so we don’t really know how much his conditioning has improved.
I think in a clinch scenario though, Overeem will make him pay, which could make him more tentative. And if they fight standing it’s only a matter of time before Cain get owned.
And regardless of whether his chin is great, I don’t see Cain posing much of a knockout threat to Overeem. [/quote]
I agree with you. However its not like weve consistently seen fighters known for their conditioning gas in the first round against Cain. JDS gassing the way he did was inexcusable, regardless of Cain’s constant TD attempts. I dont know if he had an adrenaline dump or what but i believe there may have been some factor there other than Cain’s relentlessness.
I also wasnt particularly impressed with Cains cardio in that fight, it was better than JDS but he had slowed significantly before the second round was over. Otherwise he should have easily finished junior.
I do believe that Cain can take Overeem down, but not at will, and Cain trying to close the distance puts him at risk of getting stuck in Overeem’s clinch. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out but if i had to put money on it, Overeem batters Cain in the clinch and finishes with GnP before the second is over, if not in the first.