UAW Wants Higher Wages Now That Big 3 Turn a Profit

[Aragorn]

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Ah Unions who needs them , employers have always appreciated good workers [/quote]

Would you mind explaining what’s being depicted in that photograph? It seems to me that keeping people crammed into that would not be very profitable for an employers. [/quote]

I am guessing that is a transport to an underground mine . My father dropped out of school in 4th grade during the depression to help support the family in a Coal mine
[/quote]

So we’re looking at an elevator used to transport an entire shift of workers? One which they’ll be in for only a short time? [/quote]

Reminds of my experience in the Army.[/quote]

Don’t ask don’t tell! Don’t ask don’t tell dammit!

[NickViar]

[quote]H factor wrote:
So you would have no problem using massive infusions of your tax dollars for large corporations to move to your state? Those 20K middle class jobs come at a very high cost for Missouri taxpayers.

Don’t worry those large corporations have no problem playing states against each other in a game of high stakes poker to see who will build the biggest tax payer pot to gift to them. After all the jobs are worth it right? Just trying to see where you draw the socialism line.

So unions asking for more money=greedy bastards. Corporations asking for infusions of tax dollars to move to states=please come stay with us!

I’m not a union guy, but I don’t follow this company nut hugging logic unless you happen to work for Boeing. Everyone is greedy. [/quote]

It’s socialism when the recipient makes less money than me, capitalism when the recipient makes more.

[UtahLama]

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
So Boeing offered to up their contributions to the 401 by $2,400, which with their existing contributions totals almost 10K a year from the company to the employee.

Instead of a crippling pension plan.

And the union gave them the finger, losing their jobs.

Hardly the coal mines Pitt. [/quote]

Few people know as well as Boeing what making unrealistic demands can get you. Luckily for Boeing Republicans and Democrats are willing to give them virtually anything they ask for.

KPLR

Oh wait…yeah, damn greedy unions! Companies would never do ANYTHING like that! [/quote]

That’s OK, word is Utah is on their short list…we will take those 20K middle class jobs, no problem.
[/quote]

So you would have no problem using massive infusions of your tax dollars for large corporations to move to your state? Those 20K middle class jobs come at a very high cost for Missouri taxpayers.

Don’t worry those large corporations have no problem playing states against each other in a game of high stakes poker to see who will build the biggest tax payer pot to gift to them. After all the jobs are worth it right? Just trying to see where you draw the socialism line.

So unions asking for more money=greedy bastards. Corporations asking for infusions of tax dollars to move to states=please come stay with us!

I’m not a union guy, but I don’t follow this company nut hugging logic unless you happen to work for Boeing. Everyone is greedy. [/quote]

Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.

[orion]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Unions (mostly the exorbitant pensions) made the U.S. auto industry’s dominance unsustainable.

[/quote]

Part of the problem for sure. However the fact Japanese cars were of better quality didn’t help either.

I’ll buy a HOnda or Toyota (car not truck) any day of the week, even if I’m paying more. [/quote]

Don’t buy a Mazda, fuck Mazda. [/quote]

toyota’s quality is going down. Ford, Chrysler, and GM is going up. I love my Hyundai, and will probably buy another.
[/quote]

I drove a Hyuandai for a week because my car got repaired and they gave it to me,…

They may not look good, or be a hit with the ladies, but damn, that was a good car…

[SkyzykS]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Ah Unions who needs them , employers have always appreciated good workers [/quote]

Would you mind explaining what’s being depicted in that photograph? It seems to me that keeping people crammed into that would not be very profitable for an employers. [/quote]

I am guessing that is a transport to an underground mine . My father dropped out of school in 4th grade during the depression to help support the family in a Coal mine
[/quote]

I wonder if they aren’t dropping down into a low coal seam (low roof, like 2-3 feet). Elevator car goes to the bottom, first layer exits, moves up a little, next layer exits, etc.

[H_factor]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW.

[H_factor]

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
So you would have no problem using massive infusions of your tax dollars for large corporations to move to your state? Those 20K middle class jobs come at a very high cost for Missouri taxpayers.

Don’t worry those large corporations have no problem playing states against each other in a game of high stakes poker to see who will build the biggest tax payer pot to gift to them. After all the jobs are worth it right? Just trying to see where you draw the socialism line.

So unions asking for more money=greedy bastards. Corporations asking for infusions of tax dollars to move to states=please come stay with us!

I’m not a union guy, but I don’t follow this company nut hugging logic unless you happen to work for Boeing. Everyone is greedy. [/quote]

It’s socialism when the recipient makes less money than me, capitalism when the recipient makes more.[/quote]

And these dudes are left and right defending Boeing (who I don’t really give a shit one way or the other about,) and acting like they are mother Theresa or something as these unions try and stick them up. Bribery, welfare, as long as it’s billion dollar companies who are benefiting I’m fine with it cause hey that’s our system.

But these motherfucking workers trying to game the system…that shit is greedy and immoral.

[dmaddox]

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Unions (mostly the exorbitant pensions) made the U.S. auto industry’s dominance unsustainable.

[/quote]

Part of the problem for sure. However the fact Japanese cars were of better quality didn’t help either.

I’ll buy a HOnda or Toyota (car not truck) any day of the week, even if I’m paying more. [/quote]

Don’t buy a Mazda, fuck Mazda. [/quote]

toyota’s quality is going down. Ford, Chrysler, and GM is going up. I love my Hyundai, and will probably buy another.
[/quote]

I drove a Hyuandai for a week because my car got repaired and they gave it to me,…

They may not look good, or be a hit with the ladies, but damn, that was a good car…[/quote]

I have over 100k miles on my car, and all I have had to do to the car is replace tires twice, brakes, oil, and gas. That is it. I am about to have to replace the shocks, but hoping to make it to 120k miles, and do a bunch of work at one time. Then give it to my daughter when she turns 16 which is 3 years away. My car is the 2007 Hyundai Azera. It has almost 280 HP with a 0-60 in about 6.5 secs. That may be why I have had to replace my tires twice. I really love that car and will drive it till it dies.

I beg to differ on the looks. The ladies do not like them because they are not a Ferrari, Porsche, or high priced vehicle. I like Hyundai for the value. More value per $ then any other car IMO.

[pittbulll]

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Hey Pitt, should I be offended for you referring me to this guy ZEB? Just curious.

I personally don’t have a problem with the idea of a union, but I have a particular problem with what a lot of unions have become and, specifically, the entitlement of those within the UAW.

[/quote]

I mean no offense , I was just curious of what happened to him , He was one of my favorite nemesis

[jjackkrash]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Hey Pitt, should I be offended for you referring me to this guy ZEB? Just curious.

I personally don’t have a problem with the idea of a union, but I have a particular problem with what a lot of unions have become and, specifically, the entitlement of those within the UAW.

[/quote]

I mean no offense , I was just curious of what happened to him , He was one of my favorite nemesis :)[/quote]

I think he quit working as a political operative for the RNC and now he’s working as Nate Silver’s personal valet.

[UtahLama]

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.

[jjackkrash]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.[/quote]

Huntsman seemed like he did a good job. How’s the new(er) Governor doing? Utah does seem like it has its shit together.

The Boeing machinists who voted against the deal are mostly older and on the way out. The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit. It really sucks for Seattle and the whole region, really, to gradually lose a manufacturing base like they are managing to lose.

[dmaddox]

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
So you would have no problem using massive infusions of your tax dollars for large corporations to move to your state? Those 20K middle class jobs come at a very high cost for Missouri taxpayers.

Don’t worry those large corporations have no problem playing states against each other in a game of high stakes poker to see who will build the biggest tax payer pot to gift to them. After all the jobs are worth it right? Just trying to see where you draw the socialism line.

So unions asking for more money=greedy bastards. Corporations asking for infusions of tax dollars to move to states=please come stay with us!

I’m not a union guy, but I don’t follow this company nut hugging logic unless you happen to work for Boeing. Everyone is greedy. [/quote]

It’s socialism when the recipient makes less money than me, capitalism when the recipient makes more.[/quote]

And these dudes are left and right defending Boeing (who I don’t really give a shit one way or the other about,) and acting like they are mother Theresa or something as these unions try and stick them up. Bribery, welfare, as long as it’s billion dollar companies who are benefiting I’m fine with it cause hey that’s our system.

But these motherfucking workers trying to game the system…that shit is greedy and immoral. [/quote]

I would agree with you if the company owned by an individual person or family, because only one person or family reap the benefits. Boeing is a publicly traded company and it pays out dividends to people who own the company, so getting a tax break increases the cash for a lot of things. It also increases the price of the shares which pensions, individuals, mutual funds, and others own.

Lets look at it a little bit different. Unions use the threat to shut down a company if they do not get what they want whether sustainable or not. Boeing is using the threat to move the company and get rid of all those jobs if the Unions do not back down. One is extortion and the other is an effect from a cause.

If you were management wouldn’t you like to cut out the middle man? The Unions are nothing more than a middle man.

If you are the Unions would you not want to make sure your members had a job and then got paid the maximum that the market will bear?

What is Boeing doing? They are making the Unions think really hard about whether they prefer more money or a job. Two things that are mutually exclusive. The Union bosses really do not care if jobs are kept as long as they continue to collect those dues.

This is why Right to Work States are drawing traditional Union Labor Jobs to their states. If you want to be apart of a Union you can, but if you don’t then you are not forced to pay member dues to get a particular job.

I am not anti-Union per say, but I am anti-Union Thuggery. Unions have done this to themselves. They were needed at one time, but with the Federal Government Regulations there really is no need for them in this day and age. The Free Market will determine what a person’s labor is worth in the open market. You guys can understand that.

Do I think Governments are giving out way too much? Maybe. The States are hopefully doing a cost benefit analysis to determine what their break even is on this deal. Get more than you are giving out. Boeing is going to make money, but will try to get as sweet a deal as they can.

[dmaddox]

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit.

[/quote]

This is unions in a nut shell. I would also claim this is what is wrong with the GOP. The “old fucks” are trying to keep control, but if they lose who cares because they are about to die anyway.

[UtahLama]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

I would agree with you if the company owned by an individual person or family, because only one person or family reap the benefits. Boeing is a publicly traded company and it pays out dividends to people who own the company, so getting a tax break increases the cash for a lot of things. It also increases the price of the shares which pensions, individuals, mutual funds, and others own.

I am not anti-Union per say, but I am anti-Union Thuggery. Unions have done this to themselves.

The States are hopefully doing a cost benefit analysis to determine what their break even is on this deal. Get more than you are giving out.
[/quote]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

[jjackkrash]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit.

[/quote]

This is unions in a nut shell. I would also claim this is what is wrong with the GOP. The “old fucks” are trying to keep control, but if they lose who cares because they are about to die anyway.
[/quote]

I watched a local panel of machinists on the vote on a local station, and you could just tell those close to retirement were indignant and cocky about the vote, and the kids were angry and in almost a panic state about their future. It was heartbreaking to watch.

[UtahLama]

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.[/quote]

Huntsman seemed like he did a good job. How’s the new(er) Governor doing? Utah does seem like it has its shit together.

The Boeing machinists who voted against the deal are mostly older and on the way out. The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit. It really sucks for Seattle and the whole region, really, to gradually lose a manufacturing base like they are managing to lose.

[/quote]

Gary Herbert did a fantastic job guiding us through the recession, through good budgeting he built up a solid war chest that we could fall back on and also use to entice businesses to Utah.

We have the youngest workforce in the nation (ahead of Texas) and one of the most educated.

People love to rip companies for coming here (or states like it) but the old entitlement ways have failed…it’s time to tighten the belts and get every big business we can here.

[jjackkrash]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.[/quote]

Huntsman seemed like he did a good job. How’s the new(er) Governor doing? Utah does seem like it has its shit together.

The Boeing machinists who voted against the deal are mostly older and on the way out. The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit. It really sucks for Seattle and the whole region, really, to gradually lose a manufacturing base like they are managing to lose.

[/quote]

Gary Herbert did a fantastic job guiding us through the recession, through good budgeting he built up a solid war chest that we could fall back on and also use to entice businesses to Utah.

We have the youngest workforce in the nation (ahead of Texas) and one of the most educated.

People love to rip companies for coming here (or states like it) but the old entitlement ways have failed…it’s time to tighten the belts and get every big business we can here.[/quote]

Seattle and the PacNW has a lot to offer companies including ports and the Puget Sound, and its a pretty cool place to live, but we can’t keep shooting ourselves in the foot on things like the Boeing deal. Mistakes like that add up.

[UtahLama]

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.[/quote]

Huntsman seemed like he did a good job. How’s the new(er) Governor doing? Utah does seem like it has its shit together.

The Boeing machinists who voted against the deal are mostly older and on the way out. The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit. It really sucks for Seattle and the whole region, really, to gradually lose a manufacturing base like they are managing to lose.

[/quote]

Gary Herbert did a fantastic job guiding us through the recession, through good budgeting he built up a solid war chest that we could fall back on and also use to entice businesses to Utah.

We have the youngest workforce in the nation (ahead of Texas) and one of the most educated.

People love to rip companies for coming here (or states like it) but the old entitlement ways have failed…it’s time to tighten the belts and get every big business we can here.[/quote]

Seattle and the PacNW has a lot to offer companies including ports and the Puget Sound, and its a pretty cool place to live, but we can’t keep shooting ourselves in the foot on things like the Boeing deal. Mistakes like that add up. [/quote]

The high cost of living has to hurt you guys tho, it is VERY inexpensive to live here unless it is in Salt Lake City or Park City.

[jjackkrash]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Good paying jobs are FAR more important than tax breaks given to corporations.

Unions demand life long pensions? When people are living fucking forever? Unsustainable.

Unions were necessary in the past, now they are just pigs sucking at the teat…think about it, Utah has 4 of the largest construction companies in the nation…one of them will build Boeing’s big ass plant. The tax revenue from all those jobs will make up for the tax break.

Not to mention all that money being spent in the community.[/quote]

Honestly the hypocrisy in this thread from you is mind boggling. So things like tax payers giving 8.7 billion in subsidies for Boeing in Washington or Boeing forcing taxpayers to buy it’s land and equipment happens that is highly sustainable because hey those tax payers can keep working to provide for Boeing! Boeing may even redistribute (hey that’s a word the far right loves) that money by hiring some people. So they will be giving a bit of those tax dollars back. How nice of them!

You think corporate welfare is ok as but workers trying to get an overly sweet deal for retirement is not ok. It’s unsustainable for workers to try and ask for a huge (and admittedly unfair) deal on their retirement, but a company that made 1.2 BILLION in profit in the third quarter of this year alone needs tax payers across states competing to buy it’s land, equipment, and subsidize its tax breaks. That’s sustainable right? That’s fair right?

You know food stamps is money spent in the community as well. Why don’t we have our tax dollars go to giving some people money so they can eat…oh wait, we already do that.

Just…WOW. [/quote]

Oh good lordy you love to whine.

Utah has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country already, so who’s to say what concessions that they would give Boeing to come here (non-union state)? You assume much.

And I seriously doubt that after our state prospered through the recession, we would need to worry about our governor making a bad deal.

Given that eBay and Google are building new facilities here as we speak, you just keep hoping for something bad to happen…flyover states just might surprise you.[/quote]

Huntsman seemed like he did a good job. How’s the new(er) Governor doing? Utah does seem like it has its shit together.

The Boeing machinists who voted against the deal are mostly older and on the way out. The kids want jobs, but the old fucks just don’t give a shit. It really sucks for Seattle and the whole region, really, to gradually lose a manufacturing base like they are managing to lose.

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Gary Herbert did a fantastic job guiding us through the recession, through good budgeting he built up a solid war chest that we could fall back on and also use to entice businesses to Utah.

We have the youngest workforce in the nation (ahead of Texas) and one of the most educated.

People love to rip companies for coming here (or states like it) but the old entitlement ways have failed…it’s time to tighten the belts and get every big business we can here.[/quote]

Seattle and the PacNW has a lot to offer companies including ports and the Puget Sound, and its a pretty cool place to live, but we can’t keep shooting ourselves in the foot on things like the Boeing deal. Mistakes like that add up. [/quote]

The high cost of living has to hurt you guys tho, it is VERY inexpensive to live here unless it is in Salt Lake City or Park City.[/quote]

It depends a lot on where you live. Seattle, Bellevue, Mercer Island, etc., is crazy, but there are plenty of surrounding areas that are very reasonable. And although the sales tax sucks, at least there isn’t an income tax. Property taxes are also fairly low.