Two Week Cycle and Workout

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Good stuff my amigo, Keep us posted yes?

Personally, I felt every one of the TPP shots that I did myself, but it’s erly days for you and I suspect that you won’t get away entirely painfree :wink:

Hopefully no more ‘heartrate hijinks’ though :wink:

Bushy[/quote]

       Hey Bushy, answered earlier, guess the weekend post lag is on again, so I'll post the workout now.

DELT CIRCUIT: 4x15 Got a student discount at the local medical supply, and got a new heavier theraband for the band work for 11 bucks, since the other one pretty much bit the dust after several breaks from stretching. Pretty low on cash, but I didn’t want to wait for my buddys jump flex bands from elitefitness to get here and have the delt improvements regress any.
This is the grey one, which is “super heavy” vs. the blue which is “extra heavy”. So, basicly did the same scheme, going to sets of 12 on the first circuit, then hitting 15 and choking up to make it pretty hard on the last two. Double it for every exercise, save the external rotations which are hard enough with the band not doubled.

As far as the DB CUBAN ROTATIONS went, they went with 10lb DB’s on the first, and made the transition to the 15 lb DB’s for the last two sets, which is significant as any external rotation necessitates fairly light weight usually. The right delt is much better and still can feel slight pain when warming up and on some movements, but damn near rock solid. I am using the diesel crew “two minute shoulder warm up” too, as a prelude to the delt circuit, and any upper body wkout days. It’s a great circuit and can be found on youtube. Very effective and quick.

REVERSE DB WRIST CURLS: 3X15.
LT: 5/15, 10/15, 10/15, 10/15.
TT: 5/15, 10/15, 15/10-10/15, 15/10-10/15, 15/11-10/16.
STRIP SETS, 5 remaining reps with the 10’s. I was able to get full contraction with the wrist going all the way up high through the ROM today, so did as many with the 15’s, then stripped to 10’s for the last 5-6 reps. Last time I tried I wasn’t satisfied with my ROM and felt if I couldn’t nail it all the way up with the wrist I would stay with 10’s. Well, it paid off, and maybe I already got a tiny boost from the phenylproprionate compounds being rapidly absorbed into the system too eh?

BB WRIST CURLS BEHIND BACK: 3X15.
LT:95/15, 105/15, 115/15
TT:115/15, 125/12-115/15, 125/12-115/16. NICE GAIN LAST 2 WORKOUTS. Almost back to DC weight levels from way back.

HAMMER CURLS: 3X15
LT: 20/15, 25/15, 30/15.
TT: 20/15, 30/15, 30/14, 30/12. NICE GAIN.

ADDED EXERCISE:
WRIST PRONATIONS: 3X15. Took a DB and put a 5lb plate on one side only to get a heavy side, then grip it on the vacant end of DB. Laid over bench like a DB reverse wrist curl, and supinate all the way to one side, then pronate all the way back to the other side. Great exercise for hitting the pronators. Quite a little forearm workout I’ve got going now.
Used a standard 5lb hex DB first, then loaded up my custom one with a full 5lb on the far side for a nice increase in load. Gotta be careful to control gravity as you can hurt your forearm easily if it bounces etc at the bottom of each movement. Slow and very strict.
TT: 5lb standard DB/15, 5lb special/15, 5sp/15 NICE.

I know it’s like 5lbs?? But it’s like the ext. rotation shit, only requires a very light weight to hit em good, and prevent injury as well. I threw these in because a good while back I had gotten a repetitive motion injury in the right forearm and am “prehabbing” it now to prevent any future injury to it. Not to mention it just compliments the overall forearm wkout nicely.

         So, I felt like there might have been a slight boost already as crazy as that sounds. Feel great, and still no pain at all. We'll see how it goes on Monday, I'm debating on whether to just run it at 600mg/week still, with a 1ml shot each of the three days, Mon/Wed/Fri.

Probably garner better gains, for two weeks, or could go 400/week as planned and get 3 weeks out of it probably.

         What say you guys about that?
                cheers gang!!
                   ToneBone
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Good stuff my amigo, Keep us posted yes?

Personally, I felt every one of the TPP shots that I did myself, but it’s erly days for you and I suspect that you won’t get away entirely painfree :wink:

Hopefully no more ‘heartrate hijinks’ though :wink:

Bushy

        Most definitely will be posting galore now. And I know I may be in for a "bite" once hitting the delts/quads again, but it appears to be a whole different animal this go round so far, as there's nothing as far as  pain still, and last time, didn't matter where I shot,(glute/quad/delt), there was crazy pain, literally within hours every time with no difference whether it was a 2ml shot or a .5ml, so it's like a whole new day and the sun is literally "BEAMING" down upon me now!

                  Just happy to be able to report back with the positive news that would have been so nice to post about on that first round with everyone else. Better late than never though eh, and at least I got through the other episode as harrowing as it was in one piece!

       Looking forward to bringing excellent reviews on some decent moderate gains this coming week then my friend(s). Almost tempted to run with 1/2 the original dose at 600mg/week now....I'll think on it, Monday is the decision day, just don't want to slam a full 1ml in delts if the quads get semi-crippled from a 1ml shot. But since the original 2 vials were for 2 or more weeks, I could get two weeks out of half original dose, with better gains as well, or the flip side would be go with my original plan here with .5ml Mon/Wed, and get a longer shorty out of it.

          I'm thinking 600/week might be the best route. I'll think on it some more, I really don't want any problems with training legs though, yet if they go as good as this glute shot went, then it wouldn't be a problem.

But as Bushy said, it’s early yet, and I shouldn’t logically be able to get out of the park scott free as far as pain, but who knows. Maybe Captain Karma will look down on me and extend an olive branch of painfree shooting since I had to go through hell the first time, ha, haaa!

               cheers gang,

be back with a forearm wkout logging in a bit now,
ToneBone[/quote]

I am totally picturing you skipping through fields of flowers while singing showtunes after how upbeat that post was!!

Now, with your shoulder troubles, do you think it would be better to avoid them for the injections? With the pain of the Prop, it might interfere with your rehab/improvement…just curious.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Good stuff my amigo, Keep us posted yes?

Personally, I felt every one of the TPP shots that I did myself, but it’s erly days for you and I suspect that you won’t get away entirely painfree :wink:

Hopefully no more ‘heartrate hijinks’ though :wink:

Bushy

        Most definitely will be posting galore now. And I know I may be in for a "bite" once hitting the delts/quads again, but it appears to be a whole different animal this go round so far, as there's nothing as far as  pain still, and last time, didn't matter where I shot,(glute/quad/delt), there was crazy pain, literally within hours every time with no difference whether it was a 2ml shot or a .5ml, so it's like a whole new day and the sun is literally "BEAMING" down upon me now!

                  Just happy to be able to report back with the positive news that would have been so nice to post about on that first round with everyone else. Better late than never though eh, and at least I got through the other episode as harrowing as it was in one piece!

       Looking forward to bringing excellent reviews on some decent moderate gains this coming week then my friend(s). Almost tempted to run with 1/2 the original dose at 600mg/week now....I'll think on it, Monday is the decision day, just don't want to slam a full 1ml in delts if the quads get semi-crippled from a 1ml shot. But since the original 2 vials were for 2 or more weeks, I could get two weeks out of half original dose, with better gains as well, or the flip side would be go with my original plan here with .5ml Mon/Wed, and get a longer shorty out of it.

          I'm thinking 600/week might be the best route. I'll think on it some more, I really don't want any problems with training legs though, yet if they go as good as this glute shot went, then it wouldn't be a problem.

But as Bushy said, it’s early yet, and I shouldn’t logically be able to get out of the park scott free as far as pain, but who knows. Maybe Captain Karma will look down on me and extend an olive branch of painfree shooting since I had to go through hell the first time, ha, haaa!

               cheers gang,

be back with a forearm wkout logging in a bit now,
ToneBone

I am totally picturing you skipping through fields of flowers while singing showtunes after how upbeat that post was!!

Now, with your shoulder troubles, do you think it would be better to avoid them for the injections? With the pain of the Prop, it might interfere with your rehab/improvement…just curious.[/quote]

         Yeah, this is a concern for me, I'm not entirely sure just how well tissue deals with the injections when there is already some questionable integrity to it beforehand. I can tell you I won't be giving more than .5ml to each if I do. Might end up with quads/glute for the whole cycle, being a week between each rotation spot with my 3xweekly injecs. If the pain doesn't interfere with leg work, then I'll go ahead and do that. 
Update as of today on pain:

No pain, very, very slight “pressure” felt just this morning and even now that’s gone completely, so this is really looking much better as far as my bodys ability to handle the compounds at this volume/dosage. And still leads me to believe there must have definitely been something in the other vial that just wasn’t right.

     Logged in my forearm wkout last night, but still don't see it yet. Weekends...Aaaarrrgggghhhhh!!

          Have a good one ZZ my brotha,

                   ToneBone
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hi folks
haven’t posted here in few years due to a court appointed holiday(18months can be a long time locked away). i must say it is good to be back and to see that everybody around here is still sharing the love.
anyways, i was going to do a longer cycle after coming home(decca, sust250, prop & d-bol) but these short cycles have me interested as well.
i know i can definetly get prop., stana injectible(winnie)& d-bol. (may be able to source anapolon/anadrol, just waiting to hear back)
if someone would be kind enough to to let me know whether or not these would combine well for a 2 weeker and what they might use daily it would be greatly appreciated. i know i could probably just do a bit more reading and work it out myself but as you can imagine i have lot of catching up to do on every front.
well thanx again & i look forward to gettin’ back to the reality that is T-Nation

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[quote]modern primate wrote:
hi folks
haven’t posted here in few years due to a court appointed holiday(18months can be a long time locked away). i must say it is good to be back and to see that everybody around here is still sharing the love.
anyways, i was going to do a longer cycle after coming home(decca, sust250, prop & d-bol) but these short cycles have me interested as well.
i know i can definetly get prop., stana injectible(winnie)& d-bol. (may be able to source anapolon/anadrol, just waiting to hear back)
if someone would be kind enough to to let me know whether or not these would combine well for a 2 weeker and what they might use daily it would be greatly appreciated. i know i could probably just do a bit more reading and work it out myself but as you can imagine i have lot of catching up to do on every front.
well thanx again & i look forward to gettin’ back to the reality that is T-Nation
[/quote]

               Hey good to hear you're out of the penn. Why don't you start a thread for yourself with the questions dude? This is how it's done, you're hijackin mine ok? No offense, just be cool and use the search engine or start a thread, don't use mine to ask shit that doesn't have to do with this one.

                   TBN
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         Second pin went smooth as silk this morning guys. Shot in the quad that started all the shit last time, so that was sort of a mild trip. Up more than halfway on the quad and just to the right of centerline. I decided to go with 1ml shots throughout the week, for a total of 600mg/week. Think this is going to produce a much better gain than my feeble 400mg/week would have. Hey, the first one went so nice I got over the apprehension of what might go wrong. Only felt a tiny bit of pressure from the glute shot a couple times, so very impressed with the goods and my reactions to them so far. 

  So 1ml right quad, very smooth and a tiny drop or two of blood post injec. Did everything right as rain, and am looking forward to doing legs this afternoon in a few hours. Went to the gym this morning to knock ABS AND DELT CIRCUIT out of the way. Time is an issue on Mon/Wed now. Oh yeah, almost forgot, one thing I'm doing different this time is really heating the oil up much more than before. Soaking it in hot, hot water while showering, then one more fresh blast of hot water soakage post shower/pre injec. Draws up a bit better and shoots about the same.

P.S. This ab and delt workout was before the shot.

DELT WARMUP: 2X3 EACH EX. DIESEL CREW 2MIN WMUP.

DELT CIRCUIT: 3X15.

DB CUBAN ROTATIONS: 3X15
LT: 8/12, 10/15, 15/15
TT: 10/15, 15/15, 15/13

BAND EX ROTATION: SINGLED BAND. GREY HEAVIER THAN PREVIOUS.
LT: 12, 15, 15.
TT: 12, 15, 15.

BAND PULL APARTS: DOUBLED BAND. GREY.
LT: 12, 15, 15.
TT: 12, 15, 15.

BAND DISLOCATES: DOUBLED.
LT: 12, 15, 15.
TT: 15, 15, 15.

BAND PRESS: DOUBLED AND CHOKED UP MORE TODAY.
LT: 15, 15, 15.
TT: 15, 15, 15.

ABS: SUPERSETS

WOODCHOPPERS DIAGONAL: 3X10
LT: 6/10, 9/10, 10/10.
TT: 6/10, 10/10, 11/10, 11/10

CABLE SIDE BENDS: 3X10
LT: 6/10, 9/10, 10/10.
TT: 6/10, 10/10, 11/10, 12/10.

CABLE HIP FLEXION: 3X10
LT: 6/10, 8/10, 8/10.
TT: 6/10, 8/10, 9/10, 9/10.

             So, pretty steady slight increases on delt circuit with the tougher band, and abs coming along well also. Be back this afternoon with the leg workout guys. Quad feeling very nice right now, as would be expected immediate post. But again, this is like a dream compared to the first attempt, as I can't stress enough, I was getting pain so fast and furious it's amazing in retrospect that I even kept myself going through 4 shots which just were brutally painful and took well over a week and a half to go away each. Ha, whoooohoooo mang!!

  I have decided to also include a one time dbol dose an hour before the wkout as well during cycle. To me, there were no sides and some boostage from when I did this the first week of my dbol/var run a while back, compared to having sides and little more gains when dosing it multi times a day the second week. Therefore, since I have a shitload left, it's now in the mix for what that's worth.

I’m going with .25mg/Adex eod for this too, so with that, and the once/day dose, I’m not too concerned about any gyno flares or anything else e related. If anything gets suspicious, I’ll increase to .25 ed.

            Well, that's about it guys, I'll be back later, cross your fingers that my back hangs in there and doesn't repeat the last couple of strains from over fatigue from dragon flags and not being fully recovered from them before squats. I'm hoping it doesn't come around today, but will be cautious. Take it easy bro's.

                 ToneBone
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
modern primate wrote:
hi folks
haven’t posted here in few years due to a court appointed holiday(18months can be a long time locked away). i must say it is good to be back and to see that everybody around here is still sharing the love.
anyways, i was going to do a longer cycle after coming home(decca, sust250, prop & d-bol) but these short cycles have me interested as well.
i know i can definetly get prop., stana injectible(winnie)& d-bol. (may be able to source anapolon/anadrol, just waiting to hear back)
if someone would be kind enough to to let me know whether or not these would combine well for a 2 weeker and what they might use daily it would be greatly appreciated. i know i could probably just do a bit more reading and work it out myself but as you can imagine i have lot of catching up to do on every front.
well thanx again & i look forward to gettin’ back to the reality that is T-Nation

               Hey good to hear you're out of the penn. Why don't you start a thread for yourself with the questions dude? This is how it's done, you're hijackin mine ok? No offense, just be cool and use the search engine or start a thread, don't use mine to ask shit that doesn't have to do with this one.

                   TBN

[/quote]

Whew, glad I read your post. I’m at work and just jump in here now and then but for some reason I thought I had logged into another thread. Yay for my brain still working right!!

And with your injections, I was thinking more about the swelling in your shoulder rather than pain. I figure you could tough it out but if it restricts your mobility, might be some problems down the road. Anyway, glad to hear things going right on this one…

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InTheZone
sorry mate, didn’t know or want to appear to be hijacking your thread, i guess after such a long time away my manners aren’t quite up to scratch.
thanx for pointing me the right way though. i will start a new post and only hope that you may come and offer some advice.
thanx again.

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[quote]modern primate wrote:
InTheZone
sorry mate, didn’t know or want to appear to be hijacking your thread, i guess after such a long time away my manners aren’t quite up to scratch.
thanx for pointing me the right way though. i will start a new post and only hope that you may come and offer some advice.
thanx again.[/quote]

         Hey no worries mate. Just like you said, refreshing your memory and all. Glad to stop by when you get it going. By all means you can post here, but you'd have to be interested in the ToneBone details I guess. 

                   TBN
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         Yeah baby! Look out the ol Bone's in the fuckin house mang....Ha, haaa, sorry I couldn't resist!

Well, what can I say, look for yourself gents…fucking ass kickin wkout today, and went ballistic on the stretches even too. My, my, my, my gigaboo pie…

Ok, here’s how it went down:

Remember, I already did ABS and DELTS this morning boys.

DYNAMIC AND BAR WARM UPS: 2X10/3X5.

BOX SQUATS: 5X5 THIS WEEK:
LT:(4X6) 95/12, 135/6, 185/6, 205/6, 225/6, 245/6.(OW,BACK)
TT:(5X5) 95/15, 135/8, 185/5, 225/5, 245/5, 255/5, 255/5.
NO BACK PAIN/STRAIN!! YEAH MAN! Tough last set though.

STEP UPS: 3X6 EACH LEG. Last wkout at gym used a lower,(easier), bench height before realizing the fact, and had higher numbers than the bench at home here. 16" vs. 19".
I’ll indicate the LT: from before with the 19" for comparison because of this for you guys.

LT: BAR/6, 85/6, 95/6, 95/6.
TT: BAR/6, 85/6, 85/6, 95/6.
Now this looks like I did worse, but let’s look at that days squat poundage eh?..95/15, 135/6, 185/6, 205/6, 225/6.
And this was the first day using a lower height on the box if you all remember correctly. ie: 17" vs. previous 19" ht.
So, all in all good effort today.

ROMANIAN DEADS: 3X10.
LT: 95/10, 135/10, 205/10, 225/8.
TT: 95/11, 135/10, 205/10, 225/10, 235/10.
Again, up nicely. MWAHAHAHAAAA!

CALVES: 2X15, 1X50. FORGOT TO DO THE 50 PARTIAL REPPER.
Something new today too, started to do my seated calf raise and OOPS!! My fucking quad didn’t like that too much as it was right where the shot went in that the pads came down on it. So I improvised and made a calf block, and did it with the bar on the back.

TT: 135/15, 135/15, 135/15. I’ll go back and do the 50 repper and post it later. Not much weight but the rigged calf block was a bit on the cheesy side, going to make a carpeted 2x4 version for subsequent standing raises guys.

         Well there you have it, starting to feel a little more respectable with legs now. Thanks Schwarz, the routine is kicking my ass splendidly and it's working great. OH, and almost forgot another special happy feel.

On my stretches, I usually do the DC for quads and hams for 60 seconds each one round, and then I do Schwarz’s recommended hip flexor stretch which is a bench lunge hold, and one where your trail leg is in like a 90 degree angle with the lower leg straight up and on the bench on the tongue of the shoe, while the knee is almost under the bench, with your forward foot out in front in a lunge type position. This fucker is brutal, you feel both in the hip flexors big time especially the last one described. Anyway I usually only hold those for 30 seconds.

So today I did two rounds of the DC instead of one at 60 seconds, then 90 seconds…then did the Schwarz specials at 40 and then 60 full seconds each. Wow, brutally delightful!

        Overall guys, it looks like the fast acting proprionate ester has kicked in along with an approximate 40mg dose of dbol about an hour pre-wkout. As far as feeling like superman from the test, no, I can't say I feel that good, but I do feel really good, and really happy today in general. I guess I should since I did really well with legs.

Anyway, hooray for the old ToneBone and his Mentors special mix of magic!! Thanks Bushy for all the help with my layout uh huh…Seriously feeling great, gonna take a shower and go to school. As far as post injec quad pain, it’s there, but minimal, and much better again than my first attempt. Thanks for all the comments gang, wouldn’t be here without you guys…

                 best,

                ToneBone
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Looks like you are chugging along man, keep up the good work.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
Looks like you are chugging along man, keep up the good work. [/quote]

    Thanks Scott.

One more thing before I blaze outta here to class. After doing heavy squats, and the step ups,(which hit the glutes pretty good), I noticed the glute shot pressure finally. Nice, ha, not bad though just mild pressure.
Also, a final look for todays quad shot site checked out with no redness like last time, just a mild amount of swelling around the site as would be expected. Looked great overall.

                  peace.
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Wow man! It seems like you’re kicking ass, and with the help of the supps you’re feeling like a million bucks! Since you’re doing so well, I’d keep it at 400mg/wk for 3 weeks with the pre-workout orals. There’s no point in pushing it up to 600/wk if you’re doing this well.

And dude, 11 bucks for a theraband? It’s like 20 bucks for an entire roll! I’d have just mailed you another one if you’re interested. I mean, I work in a gym and know the physical therapists well enough to get cheap Therabands for free. Something to think about, so you can spend that 11 bucks on food or something. Maybe a strip club.

Has the wife said anything about you gaining weight, or looking a bit more muscular? I can’t imagine you gaining about 15 pounds and her not saying anything.

I hear ya on the settling down thing and losing touch with those “guy activities.” Just little things that don’t seem like much really make your day, and next thing you know you’re flying solo and they’re gone, or you’re always hanging out in couples settings. There’s no guy-time or stuff that makes you feel young. I’m still pretty young, but with moving around a lot with school, and just having a lifestyle that isn’t too popular with most people, let alone people my age, it makes for a lonely life sometimes. I feel like kind of a loser knowing some of the people I can relate to and be open with are online, but this forum is certainly a nice addition to my life.

While I haven’t posted much here as of late, I’m always stalking the forums and watching. The newbs seem to control the majority of the population here over the past two months or so, so it makes it less homey. Plus e-mail feels a bit more “real” as far as the friendships go. Whatever, I’m just venting now. Moral of the story: I always enjoy your enthusiasm, as does everyone else, even if we don’t always post to say so. You do make a lot of people’s days with your personality and openness.

Keep on keeping on!

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Ah, yes Bushy. If we should learn anything from the ol’ ToneBone it’s to be positive. I guess I just didn’t look at it that way.

When I said I felt like a loser, I guess I just miss the ability to have direct personal contact with “the guys.” Sure I’ve got guy friends, but after a while (especially moving around often) it seems increasingly harder to have that kind of friendship that only comes with time, as people either move away or gain other interests. I just don’t like the idea of everything becoming so digital.

end highjack

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Ah, yes Bushy. If we should learn anything from the ol’ ToneBone it’s to be positive. I guess I just didn’t look at it that way.

When I said I felt like a loser, I guess I just miss the ability to have direct personal contact with “the guys.” Sure I’ve got guy friends, but after a while (especially moving around often) it seems increasingly harder to have that kind of friendship that only comes with time, as people either move away or gain other interests. I just don’t like the idea of everything becoming so digital.

end highjack[/quote]

            Thanks you guys, (Bushy, Schwarz), no hijack noted when it comes to you two. We make a good team I like to think! Remember how scared shitless I was when I gave it a go the first time? And then the whole thing came down on me like a ton of mofookin bricks? Shit I was even more frightened and freaked out for sure, but with the help of you guys I ended up just getting better, rechilling, and rehabbing, and now here I am pluggin along again like I should have been the first time. It's all thanks to you two really. Bushy once told me "hey, we take certain risks..." it made me think about not being too negative and freaked about the gyno flare, and what not, and being able to deal with it. With both of you guys, and the other cool vets, "lilguy" "juiced40jd", KSman, Contrl, and other guys I'm forgetting right this second, I was able to stay level headed and do the right things and got everything back in order.

I can’t imagine any better outcome. In a weird way I’m glad that it happened to me now, because I know what the difference is now between a real serious infection and the normal slight swelling and symptoms of injection aftereffects. When I compare the same quad now to that other time, the extreme heat isn’t there, the redness is not there, and the pain is nowhere near what it was then.

So, it was just like you said Bushy, “a learning experience”, nothing more, nothing less, not the end of the world, not the best day either. Anyway, I owe you all a shit ton of grattitude, and totally hear what you’re both saying. While the internet is a dangerous place for some people,(think young girls/boys etc)(porn/gambling addicted men&women), ha, it does have tremendous positive attributes also. I’m lucky the ol Bush man took me under his wing way back when, and spent the time to “cut my teeth” in the game, when he could have easily left me to fend for myself. I like to think I was a little different from the average noob though, ha,haa, guess that helped me connect.

        Ok, let me get out of here before the whole site starts sleeping..I got a great workout coming this afternoon with matey coming over for the second day in a row. Wish me luck, I've been trying hard to get more bang out of my pullups, so maybe now I'll do significantly better, I'll certainly try hard. Thanks for the great comraderie gents, you guys are like gold, precious and rare.
      Shit, now I need a hankie...MWAHAHAHAAA!

                  LATER BOYS,

                  ToneBone
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    I'll be back to address some of the questions from Schwar, gotta take care of the little girl here for a bit. Kids looking beautiful man.

Weight: 198.5. leaning out again.

Schwarz, as far as the weight gain and being noticed, well, nobody really notices as their interest isn’t very pronounced in me and my weightlifting/nutrition ventures. Which in a way, it’s kind of a bummer/downer, cause we like to look for that recongnition and all, but then on the flip side, I can get away with a bit of weight gain or recomp w/out any suspicions also. A bit of a two edged sword. Personally I kind of yearn for some recognition or agknowledgement of hard work and efforts put forth in the gym, but you can’t change people so I rely on all of you for my “attaboys”. Another great plus of the brethren here.

         Got the big "43" BDay coming up 3 Saturdays from now, and I'm happy to be where I'm at. While I don't ever have any money it seems, the training and correspondance with my friends here more than makes up for it. I think I'll just go and chill at a nice Italian place and go for a healthy "carb up" on the usual suspects ala Italia!!

       Again to clarify for you Schwarz, while I went from around 195 up to 208 while on the dbol/var venture, I've dropped back since then to 198-202 give or take, and like everyone says that was mostly water weight, and a little chunky bloat, which faded away on cessation of that cycle. I didn't really like it all that much to be honest. I personally favor the dbol for only a pre-wkout boost now. Anyway, I tightened up a little bit on the carbs, and am once again gaining but now it's real muscle and not water like the aforementioned compound did. So, I have never really blown up, which is the way I tend to plan these things out for security anyhow. Definitely like this better, so my favorites now are a prop based shorty or the tried and true oral winner drol/winstrol combo. I've enjoyed those to no end and kept gains very well with not bloat save a tiny, tiny almost imperceptible amount when on.

P.S. still looking forward to a longer estered 12 weeker down the road a ways with my original plan or close to it. Looks like the test enan might be doable as this one is going good so far. Just keep it lower end on dosage and toss in some masteron probably or something interesting whatever I am able to pull off.

                   cheers!

                    ToneBone
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Awwww, this thread just turned into a great big internet group hug.sniff sniff

No, but let me third Schwarz and Bushy on your attitude. We’ve talked outside here about how impressed I am with your drive but I guess you see that it’s pretty apparent to all around here. And it does give me a kick in the ass now and then. Every time I feel like crap or my brain is making me not want to train, I just read through your threads and out to the icy gym I go. Wait, does this mean you are a help or should I be slapping you one. hehe

Oh, and I was actually thinking on the drive home tonight that I would have a hell of a time hanging out with you. Seriously, you would tire me out so fast it would be sad. Anyway, just wanted to chime in with the other guys. Back to the thread…

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Attaboy!