I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.
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Love this logic (and contradiction). Let’s fuck with the 99%, even tho it’s not going to do anything to stop the 1% problem.
Re: storage of guns. I’m friends with a couple of gun owners here in Australia and have gone shooting with them a few times in the past. By law, in order to have a firearms licence you need a police approved safe in your home where you have to store the firearm at all times (with ammo separate). The guys I’m friends with (and from what I’ve seen, gun owners here in general) do not take photos of their guns or advertise that they are a shooter/hunter/etc in any way, because there is a very good chance that they may be robbed for their guns.
It’s quite ironic that gun owners are more at risk of getting robbed, and they are defenceless when it happens because their guns and ammo are locked in a safe, usually disassembled. Even if they did respond, the law in some states says that you may be prosecuted for use of “excessive force”, i.e. shooting someone who is assaulting you.
[quote]Iron Condor wrote:
Re: storage of guns. I’m friends with a couple of gun owners here in Australia and have gone shooting with them a few times in the past. By law, in order to have a firearms licence you need a police approved safe in your home where you have to store the firearm at all times (with ammo separate). The guys I’m friends with (and from what I’ve seen, gun owners here in general) do not take photos of their guns or advertise that they are a shooter/hunter/etc in any way, because there is a very good chance that they may be robbed for their guns.
It’s quite ironic that gun owners are more at risk of getting robbed, and they are defenceless when it happens because their guns and ammo are locked in a safe, usually disassembled. Even if they did respond, the law in some states says that you may be prosecuted for use of “excessive force”, i.e. shooting someone who is assaulting you.[/quote]
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Just like some have already said, the problem isn’t the guns, its the 1% of the population. I could bet that 99% of the users on here who are gun owners are responsible with their firearms. However, that 1% of the population are nuts. They are the ones going out and doing this kind of violence and sadly, that’s why we feel the need to make changes to the gun laws.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of individuals who own guns don’t do it for protection but for the fact that they f*cking love guns. And why wouldn’t you? They’re awesome. I would be pissed too if I was a responsible owner and people wanted me to give up my firearms. Be that as it may, that doesn’t mean amendments can be made to the constitution. Hell, it’s not like amendments weren’t made on slavery and alcohol. Why are guns so damn different (it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?
I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.
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Tell us how more laws regarding how guns are carried and stored are going to stop some mass shootings?[/quote]
They’ll stop more accidental/children deaths by guns than mass shootings, sure. Is that not good enough? It acts a deterrent. One more step to make a gun inaccessible to a person.
EXAMPLE A: I own guns. I keep my guns locked in a room and the safe with ammo locked in another room. If my Asperger’s brother or 2 children decides to shoot a school up (he’s bullied tremendously, or each other [play fighting]), he’ll/they have to break down the door and of the safe, find the keys for locked guns and use them. Or, he’ll/they have to try his/their luck to go buy a gun (which would be hilarious to see if you know anything about Aspergers).
EXAMPLE B: I own guns. I don’t keep my guns locked up.
Do you really fail to see how a safe can create security? And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]
You intend to enforce this how? By coming into my home to inspect my gun storage practices? I don’t think so. That stable 99% will tell you to kiss 100% of their ass.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]
So we should all be punished for the actions of a tiny minority?
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Why do I have to go through stringent airplane security which takes hours because of a select few. I’m a law abiding citizen who follows the law, why do I have to suffer from these lines? …there are 50000examples of situations where the minority have ruined the experience for everyone.
Again, I’m not saying the answer is to take away the right to own guns, how are you being punished?[/quote]
Where does it take hours? Mine is like 5 minutes max. Its temporary inconvenience for temporary safety.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
EXAMPLE A: I own guns. I keep my guns locked in a room and the safe with ammo locked in another room. If my Asperger’s brother or 2 children decides to shoot a school up (he’s bullied tremendously, or each other [play fighting]), he’ll/they have to break down the door and of the safe, find the keys for locked guns and use them. Or, he’ll/they have to try his/their luck to go buy a gun (which would be hilarious to see if you know anything about Aspergers). [/quote]
Example A-2: Asshole breaks in your house, intent on who know’s what. You’d have to go to one room to get your ammo, grab the keys to the safe (where did I put those again??), unlock the safe, unlock the trigger lock, and load the weapon before dude finds you, your kids, or your wife. Lord help you if the ammo and gun are not on the same floor.
Is it more likely that your brother or children will commit a mass school shooting / shoot themselves or a violent home invasion occur?
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Do you really fail to see how a safe can create security? And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]
We’re supposed to forfeit our rights for the 1% of morons out there? Fuck that. Ge this, that 1% wouldn’t follow the law anyway.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]
So we should all be punished for the actions of a tiny minority?
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Why do I have to go through stringent airplane security which takes hours because of a select few. I’m a law abiding citizen who follows the law, why do I have to suffer from these lines? …there are 50000examples of situations where the minority have ruined the experience for everyone.
Again, I’m not saying the answer is to take away the right to own guns, how are you being punished?[/quote]
Where does it take hours? Mine is like 5 minutes max. Its temporary inconvenience for temporary safety. [/quote]
You can also choose a different form of transportation, like a train, car, or bus that doesn’t require a security checkpoint. Yet.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]
This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.
Guess what happened?
You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.
Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.
[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,
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I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
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To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.
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Agreed, and we’re talking about the government mass bombing, etc it’s own land, it’s own people? And some here think that is going to win the government and not the revolutionaries support? lol[/quote]
Right, and if the government started bombing it’s own people it would increase the odds of other powers having a reason to step in and help out. (UN, enemy of the state.) The government in the event of a real revolution would try to corral and contain.
Just to be clear, I do not want a revolution to start. I just wanted to add that US fire power would not be a real issue in a real revolution. The revolters would have access to that same fire power.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So, we’re now at a count of two of you anti-rights commenters that won’t list out what they are willing to give up as the proclaim that other should have to give up “portions” of their own…
Interesting
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
It boils down to if your freedom is worth more than others safety. [/quote]
How is my gun a threat to anyone’s safety?
tell me. You claim certain “provisions” on my rights will make “others” more “safe”. Tell me, specifically, what about my guns, at this very second is threatening the safety of others.
So do you advocate banning tobacco? Fatty Foods? Heart Disease? Mandatory use of sun screen?
Should we take away everyone’s personal property so no one will be tempted to steal from you or harm you?
What about abortion? I assume you’re ultra pro-life right? I mean about 100x more people die from it a year then die in homicides using guns. If it’s about safety, shouldn’t be be focused on their safety first?
How would any of your ideas prevented any of “these incidences”?
A safe wouldn’t have stopped the most recent.
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Amendments to the constitution have happened before, and rights have been removed from everyone. You still have your guns so why is having more safety a bad thing? You’ve failed to answer that as I have to your question. Go on now. Your rights of owning a gun aren’t gone nor should those rights be removed.
I advocate banning tobacco in public places/where second hand smoke can occur and so on with your examples. Do what you want to your body. I’m not pro-life at all, do what you want to your body. But when your decisions/lack of responsibility reflect and influence the safety and livelihood of others, I have concerns.
I agree a safe wouldn’t have prevented the most recent, nor did I say it would. My safe would protect those children who accidentally kill one another though.
Its like asking why are there provisions on driving a car? Ultimately, to reduce harm and increase safety. There are places to go drive your car however fast you want and however you want to drive it. If you so happen to kill yourself, then that’s it. You signed the contract and you didn’t harm anyone else. Good on you.
Edit: I don’t know how to quote parts of your post. :s
I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.
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Love this logic (and contradiction). Let’s fuck with the 99%, even tho it’s not going to do anything to stop the 1% problem.
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So we go on with life allowing preventable deaths due to guns?
Please tell me how I’m fucking with the 99% (I’m not advocating taking away the rights to own guns FYI).
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
I’m not pro-life at all, do what you want to your body. But when your decisions/lack of responsibility reflect and influence the safety and livelihood of others, I have concerns.
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Holy fucking shit…
You need to drop out of this conversation now, as you are 100% full of shit. You don’t care about safety, you care about control.
protip: irrefutable scientific fact a unique human being is formed the moment of conception, so abortion is 100% “your decisions/lack of responsibility reflect and influence the safety and livelihood of others” to the point of deliberately terminating their life.
Just fucking wow…
Also, you haven’t shown a single reason any of your ideas would actually increase safety except for a hypothetical that you made up about safes. No facts, no data, no logic. Pure make believe “what if’s”. That’s why I can’t answer your question. You haven’t shown how my guns are unsafe or how if I did what you want, others would be safe.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]
So we should all be punished for the actions of a tiny minority?
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Why do I have to go through stringent airplane security which takes hours because of a select few. I’m a law abiding citizen who follows the law, why do I have to suffer from these lines? …there are 50000examples of situations where the minority have ruined the experience for everyone.
Again, I’m not saying the answer is to take away the right to own guns, how are you being punished?[/quote]
Where does it take hours? Mine is like 5 minutes max. Its temporary inconvenience for temporary safety. [/quote]
I don’t buy the “I have a gun for safety” bs. Who the heck are you that you have people trying to break into your home to kill you? IF you get broken into, they want the TV, jewelry etc. Its rare to have a homicide during a home invasion. If you really need a gun to feel safe at night, just ensure its in a safe spot in your room where your little ones can’t grab/find it during the night, or lock your door and put it in a safe in the morning. Temporary inconvenience for temporary safety.
Obviously it will depend on the day/time of travel, but Miami, Tampa, JFK, Dallas, Minneapolis, Newark, Philly and on and on… Not saying every time it takes hours, but I’ve definitely had my fair share of lines at airports.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
I’m not pro-life at all, do what you want to your body. But when your decisions/lack of responsibility reflect and influence the safety and livelihood of others, I have concerns.
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Holy fucking shit…
You need to drop out of this conversation now, as you are 100% full of shit. You don’t care about safety, you care about control.
protip: irrefutable scientific fact a unique human being is formed the moment of conception, so abortion is 100% “your decisions/lack of responsibility reflect and influence the safety and livelihood of others” to the point of deliberately terminating their life.
Just fucking wow…
Also, you haven’t shown a single reason any of your ideas would actually increase safety except for a hypothetical that you made up about safes. No facts, no data, no logic. Pure make believe “what if’s”. That’s why I can’t answer your question. You haven’t shown how my guns are unsafe or how if I did what you want, others would be safe.[/quote]
The state of law certainly doesn’t agree that a human is “alive” at conception and you certainly can’t tell me what I believe or don’t believe in based on what irrefutable science states because we know the world/society doesn’t revolve around science.
