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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

Because a revolution in America now is the same as it would be 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. so years ago (or any other country for that matter)… right.

You’ve really failed to grasp the greater issue here and that will forever be your (America’s) problem. Keep doing you, you surely have it all figured out!

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?
[/quote]

I’ve finally seen the light! Better to serve a master rather than potentially die a free man. Where do I sign up for that?

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

Because a revolution in America now is the same as it would be 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. so years ago (or any other country for that matter)… right.[/quote]

No, in fact the majority of vets, and the current soldiers that would in turn fight for the people to prevent the government that looked to make us jack-booted plebs would make the odds of the people winning even greater than it was in the 18th century. We might not even need the help of foreign military, or at lest to a lessor extent.

Stop projecting.

I’m advocating for freedom, and rights. You’re advocating for “but” and feelings. I’m pretty sure I have a solid grasp on the greater issue here.

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Because a revolution in America now is the same as it would be 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. so years ago (or any other country for that matter)… right.
[/quote]

Utter non-sense.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?
[/quote]

I’ve finally seen the light! Better to serve a master rather than potentially die a free man. Where do I sign up for that?[/quote]

Australia apparently, where freedom = forced to do things by law.

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Just like some have already said, the problem isn’t the guns, its the 1% of the population. I could bet that 99% of the users on here who are gun owners are responsible with their firearms. However, that 1% of the population are nuts. They are the ones going out and doing this kind of violence and sadly, that’s why we feel the need to make changes to the gun laws.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of individuals who own guns don’t do it for protection but for the fact that they f*cking love guns. And why wouldn’t you? They’re awesome. I would be pissed too if I was a responsible owner and people wanted me to give up my firearms. Be that as it may, that doesn’t mean amendments can be made to the constitution. Hell, it’s not like amendments weren’t made on slavery and alcohol. Why are guns so damn different (it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?

I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.

[/quote]

Tell us how more laws regarding how guns are carried and stored are going to stop some mass shootings?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.

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[quote]OldOgre wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Just like some have already said, the problem isn’t the guns, its the 1% of the population. I could bet that 99% of the users on here who are gun owners are responsible with their firearms. However, that 1% of the population are nuts. They are the ones going out and doing this kind of violence and sadly, that’s why we feel the need to make changes to the gun laws.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of individuals who own guns don’t do it for protection but for the fact that they f*cking love guns. And why wouldn’t you? They’re awesome. I would be pissed too if I was a responsible owner and people wanted me to give up my firearms. Be that as it may, that doesn’t mean amendments can be made to the constitution. Hell, it’s not like amendments weren’t made on slavery and alcohol. Why are guns so damn different (it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?

I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.

[/quote]

Tell us how more laws regarding how guns are carried and stored are going to stop some mass shootings?[/quote]

I mean, murder is already illegal, and it isn’t stopping these. So obviously more laws about guns will surely prevent murder.

It’s just obvious logic.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.
[/quote]

Agreed, and we’re talking about the government mass bombing, etc it’s own land, it’s own people? And some here think that is going to win the government and not the revolutionaries support? lol

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?
[/quote]

I’ve finally seen the light! Better to serve a master rather than potentially die a free man. Where do I sign up for that?[/quote]

Anywhere.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

Because a revolution in America now is the same as it would be 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. so years ago (or any other country for that matter)… right.[/quote]

No, in fact the majority of vets, and the current soldiers that would in turn fight for the people to prevent the government that looked to make us jack-booted plebs would make the odds of the people winning even greater than it was in the 18th century. We might not even need the help of foreign military, or at lest to a lessor extent.

Stop projecting.

I’m advocating for freedom, and rights. You’re advocating for “but” and feelings. I’m pretty sure I have a solid grasp on the greater issue here. [/quote]

Where did I say I didn’t respect your rights and freedoms? I actually support them, but with provisions.

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

Where did I say I didn’t respect your rights and freedoms? I actually support them, but with provisions.
[/quote]

What provisions do you want on your other rights then? What portions of your rights, that you do exercise, are you willing to give up that you have the gall to ask otherwise law abiding citizens to give up theirs?

What red tape are you willing to put on your rights? List em, please. Tell me what portions of your freedom you are willing to give up, in order to put “provisions” on mine, someone who is a law abiding, responsible gun owner.

After you list how you’ll handicap your other rights, then please explain to me why I should be subject to your “provisions” when I’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve killed no one, I broken no laws, in fact I’ve jumped through more hoops to exercise my rights than most posting here. Why should I be punished for the actions of others?

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[quote]OldOgre wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Just like some have already said, the problem isn’t the guns, its the 1% of the population. I could bet that 99% of the users on here who are gun owners are responsible with their firearms. However, that 1% of the population are nuts. They are the ones going out and doing this kind of violence and sadly, that’s why we feel the need to make changes to the gun laws.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of individuals who own guns don’t do it for protection but for the fact that they f*cking love guns. And why wouldn’t you? They’re awesome. I would be pissed too if I was a responsible owner and people wanted me to give up my firearms. Be that as it may, that doesn’t mean amendments can be made to the constitution. Hell, it’s not like amendments weren’t made on slavery and alcohol. Why are guns so damn different (it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?

I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However, making changes to how it’s carried and how it’s stored can be looked into (not that it will solve the problem completely, but I’m positive it would stop SOME (that’s a push in the right direction) mass shootings/accidental deaths). The excess background checks I don’t really buy into because anyone can get a gun if they put the effort into it.

[/quote]

Tell us how more laws regarding how guns are carried and stored are going to stop some mass shootings?[/quote]

They’ll stop more accidental/children deaths by guns than mass shootings, sure. Is that not good enough? It acts a deterrent. One more step to make a gun inaccessible to a person.

EXAMPLE A: I own guns. I keep my guns locked in a room and the safe with ammo locked in another room. If my Asperger’s brother or 2 children decides to shoot a school up (he’s bullied tremendously, or each other [play fighting]), he’ll/they have to break down the door and of the safe, find the keys for locked guns and use them. Or, he’ll/they have to try his/their luck to go buy a gun (which would be hilarious to see if you know anything about Aspergers).

EXAMPLE B: I own guns. I don’t keep my guns locked up.

Do you really fail to see how a safe can create security? And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.
[/quote]

Agreed, and we’re talking about the government mass bombing, etc it’s own land, it’s own people? And some here think that is going to win the government and not the revolutionaries support? lol[/quote]

And the revolutionaries are going to go shoot their own family?

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]

So we should all be punished for the actions of a tiny minority?

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.
[/quote]

Agreed, and we’re talking about the government mass bombing, etc it’s own land, it’s own people? And some here think that is going to win the government and not the revolutionaries support? lol[/quote]

And the revolutionaries are going to go shoot their own family?
[/quote]

Math isn’t your strong suit is it?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

Where did I say I didn’t respect your rights and freedoms? I actually support them, but with provisions.
[/quote]

What provisions do you want on your other rights then? What portions of your rights, that you do exercise, are you willing to give up that you have the gall to ask otherwise law abiding citizens to give up theirs?

What red tape are you willing to put on your rights? List em, please. Tell me what portions of your freedom you are willing to give up, in order to put “provisions” on mine, someone who is a law abiding, responsible gun owner.

After you list how you’ll handicap your other rights, then please explain to me why I should be subject to your “provisions” when I’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve killed no one, I broken no laws, in fact I’ve jumped through more hoops to exercise my rights than most posting here. Why should I be punished for the actions of others? [/quote]

Because, get ready for it, that’s the way it is. It applies to everything. Why do I have to drive a certain speed limit? I haven’t been in an accident, why do I have to drive 50m/h when 80m/h is fine? Why do I have to pay taxes for those in need? I found a job, why can’t they? Because it applies to the 1%. It boils down to if your freedom is worth more than others safety. AND some people think it is and that’s OK. It’s to what lengths you’re willing to go. There is no band aid solution or a correct answer. People are going to be pissed either way. But for me, personally, it should be about our friends, family, community members safety and I’d be willing to do something about it then to sit back and let these incidences from occurring. I also won’t sit here and tell you that I have the answers either.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
And as I said, it’s not 99% of the population, its the 1% you have to cater for. [/quote]

So we should all be punished for the actions of a tiny minority?

[/quote]

Why do I have to go through stringent airplane security which takes hours because of a select few. I’m a law abiding citizen who follows the law, why do I have to suffer from these lines? …there are 50000examples of situations where the minority have ruined the experience for everyone.

Again, I’m not saying the answer is to take away the right to own guns, how are you being punished?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
(it’s not like you would ever have a chance of defending yourself from the government now anyways)?[/quote]

This tripe has been said every single time there has been a revolution in every single country, throughout the history of mankind.

Guess what happened?

You think 100% of the service members that took an Oath to defend the Constitution are going to drone strike their own families and neighbors? Lmao, fuck and no.

Will some? Sure. Will most? I highly doubt it. Americans aren’t Aussies. We’re not big fans of letting big daddy government come in and rule our lives.

[quote]I respect the fact that you have the right to own a gun in America, and I support it. However,

[/quote]

I respect the fact that people have the right to be free, but I’ve a field of cotton that needs to be picked, so…
[/quote]

To add to this real quick. A modern revolution would envolve people on the inside who have access to the US armed forces modern weapons. So the powerful weapons of the government would be used by the revolters to gain the upper hand on the oppressors.
[/quote]

Agreed, and we’re talking about the government mass bombing, etc it’s own land, it’s own people? And some here think that is going to win the government and not the revolutionaries support? lol[/quote]

And the revolutionaries are going to go shoot their own family?
[/quote]

Math isn’t your strong suit is it?[/quote]

I consider all military family.

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So, we’re now at a count of two of you anti-rights commenters that won’t list out what they are willing to give up as the proclaim that other should have to give up “portions” of their own…

Interesting

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

It boils down to if your freedom is worth more than others safety. [/quote]

How is my gun a threat to anyone’s safety?

tell me. You claim certain “provisions” on my rights will make “others” more “safe”. Tell me, specifically, what about my guns, at this very second is threatening the safety of others.

So do you advocate banning tobacco? Fatty Foods? Heart Disease? Mandatory use of sun screen?

Should we take away everyone’s personal property so no one will be tempted to steal from you or harm you?

What about abortion? I assume you’re ultra pro-life right? I mean about 100x more people die from it a year then die in homicides using guns. If it’s about safety, shouldn’t be be focused on their safety first?

How would any of your ideas prevented any of “these incidences”?

A safe wouldn’t have stopped the most recent.