Certainly, don’t do 15s. We just did the 3 sets of 8…a lot and heavy fives…about twice a year, test. Don’t make it a big deal![quote]Xen Nova wrote:
How would one train to work up to the standard you mentioned in one of your articles of 15 Bodyweight OH Squats?[/quote]
I have a “whole thing” explaining this in Get Up, somewhere. It would be last year, maybe I can find it. It relates to my idea of combining the O lifts and WODs, I will look for it. [quote]thunderbirdone wrote:
Mr. John
Just wanted to thank you for your inspiration to finally get into O-lifts. I’ve been a bodyweight/calisthenic fanatic for years but I’ve branched out a little like crossfit.
Last night I did ‘Grace’ for the first time. 13 minutes. My goal is around 3 minutes for this.
Two questions,
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Do your trainees generally improve on one lift (like C&J) if they do a varied program or say 2 or 3 sessions a week of specialization as I am doing. I’m not following the WOD as yet as I’m just getting into weights. The rest of the time is stuff like hill runs, gymastics, etc. i.e. is just mixing in the C&J a slow approach to getting good at it?
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Will you be a the Pleasonton Highland Games this year so my family and I can meet you?
Thank you in advance. [/quote]
Oh, and Pleasanton…no. Not invited. “Too pretty.”
I am focusing on the Wt. Pent this year…[quote]Danny John wrote:
I have a “whole thing” explaining this in Get Up, somewhere. It would be last year, maybe I can find it. It relates to my idea of combining the O lifts and WODs, I will look for it. thunderbirdone wrote:
Mr. John
Just wanted to thank you for your inspiration to finally get into O-lifts. I’ve been a bodyweight/calisthenic fanatic for years but I’ve branched out a little like crossfit.
Last night I did ‘Grace’ for the first time. 13 minutes. My goal is around 3 minutes for this.
Two questions,
-
Do your trainees generally improve on one lift (like C&J) if they do a varied program or say 2 or 3 sessions a week of specialization as I am doing. I’m not following the WOD as yet as I’m just getting into weights. The rest of the time is stuff like hill runs, gymastics, etc. i.e. is just mixing in the C&J a slow approach to getting good at it?
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Will you be a the Pleasonton Highland Games this year so my family and I can meet you?
Thank you in advance.
[/quote]
[quote]Danny John wrote:
Certainly, don’t do 15s. We just did the 3 sets of 8…a lot and heavy fives…about twice a year, test. Don’t make it a big deal!Xen Nova wrote:
How would one train to work up to the standard you mentioned in one of your articles of 15 Bodyweight OH Squats?
[/quote]
Cool!
That’s what I’ve been doing lately, the 3 sets of 8. They are kinda tough “cardio” wise which suprised me and did get my heart rate up considerably.
What do you think of this point of view/statement:
You aren’t going to become graceful by benching more, deadlifting heavier, or squatting more explosively. The inter-muscular coordination gained through these lifts only increase your ability to do those gross, isolated movements. It may or may not have a positive effect on your other activities. The honest trainers will admit that the academic jury still sits behind closed doors deciding the fate of whether that type of training transfers into other activities even at all.
You are asking about transfer here. That is the tough one. I think I believe in the “what the heck effect.” True training leads to a leap an improvement that rarely is logical. Let’s talk about this…[quote]BPC wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Certainly, don’t do 15s. We just did the 3 sets of 8…a lot and heavy fives…about twice a year, test. Don’t make it a big deal!Xen Nova wrote:
How would one train to work up to the standard you mentioned in one of your articles of 15 Bodyweight OH Squats?
Cool!
That’s what I’ve been doing lately, the 3 sets of 8. They are kinda tough “cardio” wise which suprised me and did get my heart rate up considerably.
What do you think of this point of view/statement:
You aren’t going to become graceful by benching more, deadlifting heavier, or squatting more explosively. The inter-muscular coordination gained through these lifts only increase your ability to do those gross, isolated movements. It may or may not have a positive effect on your other activities. The honest trainers will admit that the academic jury still sits behind closed doors deciding the fate of whether that type of training transfers into other activities even at all.
[/quote]
[quote]Danny John wrote:
You are asking about transfer here. That is the tough one. I think I believe in the “what the heck effect.” True training leads to a leap an improvement that rarely is logical. Let’s talk about this…BPC wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Certainly, don’t do 15s. We just did the 3 sets of 8…a lot and heavy fives…about twice a year, test. Don’t make it a big deal!Xen Nova wrote:
How would one train to work up to the standard you mentioned in one of your articles of 15 Bodyweight OH Squats?
Cool!
That’s what I’ve been doing lately, the 3 sets of 8. They are kinda tough “cardio” wise which suprised me and did get my heart rate up considerably.
What do you think of this point of view/statement:
You aren’t going to become graceful by benching more, deadlifting heavier, or squatting more explosively. The inter-muscular coordination gained through these lifts only increase your ability to do those gross, isolated movements. It may or may not have a positive effect on your other activities. The honest trainers will admit that the academic jury still sits behind closed doors deciding the fate of whether that type of training transfers into other activities even at all.
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By “true trainingleads to leaps in training that is rarely logical” do you mean training as in weight training or training in your sport of choice (throwing in your case)?
Do you sum it up simply as get as strong as possible in the gym w/weights and get as proficient in your sport by playing sport a lot?
just making sure you saw this…
[quote]Totoroski wrote:
Dan, Ive recently been sidelined with injury. Im on crutches and have a sprained left (dominant) ankle.
All I have right now by me are 2 25 lbs dumbells. I was mid-way on my fatloss program, and then injury occured. I would like something that could get my heart pumping and metabolism up every day to sort of “keep up” with my previous program.
What do you suggest I do to get the most bang for my buck?[/quote]
Yep, I missed it. I’m old, bad eyes, geezer…
Have you tried HeavyHands? Hit the google for this and I bet you can find a lot of simple big moves with the two bells (imitate cross country skiing for an hour and tell me if your heart rate goes up…). I think Heavyhands is one of the most underappreciated ideas of our time…
[quote]Totoroski wrote:
just making sure you saw this…
Totoroski wrote:
Dan, Ive recently been sidelined with injury. Im on crutches and have a sprained left (dominant) ankle.
All I have right now by me are 2 25 lbs dumbells. I was mid-way on my fatloss program, and then injury occured. I would like something that could get my heart pumping and metabolism up every day to sort of “keep up” with my previous program.
What do you suggest I do to get the most bang for my buck?
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That simple answer has worked well for a lot of people…Dave DAvis wrote about it years ago…Randy Matson did it as a thrower, as did a bunch of others. Check some of the other forums for this, but this is a nonlinear approach that many simply don’t get…[quote]BPC wrote:
Danny John wrote:
You are asking about transfer here. That is the tough one. I think I believe in the “what the heck effect.” True training leads to a leap an improvement that rarely is logical. Let’s talk about this…BPC wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Certainly, don’t do 15s. We just did the 3 sets of 8…a lot and heavy fives…about twice a year, test. Don’t make it a big deal!Xen Nova wrote:
How would one train to work up to the standard you mentioned in one of your articles of 15 Bodyweight OH Squats?
Cool!
That’s what I’ve been doing lately, the 3 sets of 8. They are kinda tough “cardio” wise which suprised me and did get my heart rate up considerably.
What do you think of this point of view/statement:
You aren’t going to become graceful by benching more, deadlifting heavier, or squatting more explosively. The inter-muscular coordination gained through these lifts only increase your ability to do those gross, isolated movements. It may or may not have a positive effect on your other activities. The honest trainers will admit that the academic jury still sits behind closed doors deciding the fate of whether that type of training transfers into other activities even at all.
By “true trainingleads to leaps in training that is rarely logical” do you mean training as in weight training or training in your sport of choice (throwing in your case)?
Do you sum it up simply as get as strong as possible in the gym w/weights and get as proficient in your sport by playing sport a lot?
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Yeah Dan, I found them. Thank you so much! Youve just made this newly-crippled man about 120% happier! I’ll give the cross-counrty skiing mimicry a shot and then blast the crap out of my arms and chest with the weights for the better part of an hour. Ill definitely let you know how this goes.
Thanks again!
[quote]Danny John wrote:
Yep, I missed it. I’m old, bad eyes, geezer…
Have you tried HeavyHands? Hit the google for this and I bet you can find a lot of simple big moves with the two bells (imitate cross country skiing for an hour and tell me if your heart rate goes up…). I think Heavyhands is one of the most underappreciated ideas of our time…
Totoroski wrote:
just making sure you saw this…
Totoroski wrote:
Dan, Ive recently been sidelined with injury. Im on crutches and have a sprained left (dominant) ankle.
All I have right now by me are 2 25 lbs dumbells. I was mid-way on my fatloss program, and then injury occured. I would like something that could get my heart pumping and metabolism up every day to sort of “keep up” with my previous program.
What do you suggest I do to get the most bang for my buck?
[/quote]
My shot and disc from ebay arrived today…looking forward to start throwing again.
On the Front Squat and OvSqt thing…I have used OvSqt to warm up the Front Squat and the opposite, too (or vice versa, if you will). Both combinations are excellent and seem to carry over nice benefits. Like Robby told me, you can’t go too far wrong with Front Squats, but OvSqts do some interesting things long term…
[quote]Danny John wrote:
On the Front Squat and OvSqt thing…I have used OvSqt to warm up the Front Squat and the opposite, too (or vice versa, if you will). Both combinations are excellent and seem to carry over nice benefits. Like Robby told me, you can’t go too far wrong with Front Squats, but OvSqts do some interesting things long term…[/quote]
Overhead squats are DEFINITELY a big part of my program right now but please elaborate on “interesting things long term”
Ok, what’s the beer for recovery thing?
Do I interpret your overhead squat article correctly that basically overhead squats reign supreme as “king of all exercises?”
I think it is a discussion/humor post from a few days ago. Humor is an interesting emotion…I find it soothing…
[quote]docvaughn wrote:
Ok, what’s the beer for recovery thing?
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Dan,
How’s that belly shaving coming? Don’t use nair:) 
kidding:)
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I really want to focus on increasing my overhead squat (I power snatch the barbell into overhead position) so I’m going to focus on doing it 3 times per week (3 sets of 8) and I’ve only been doing them once per week. However, I don’t want my pressing strength to decline. Do you think I can gain pressing strength or at least maintain my overhead pressing strength just by doing lots of powersnatches and overhead squats?
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scary dad strength-Many people on t-mag have noticed that their dads were very strong too and drank, smoked, and were fat. What do you think this weird but cool thing can be attributed to? I mean my father lifted weights old school style (pullups, free weights db/barbells) but only off and on.
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Do you think hills sprints accomplish pretty much the same goal as sled dragging?
4.Training wise would you say the 5 best things are: olympic lifts (overhead squats included obviously), pullups/chinups, hill sprints/sled dragging, tabatas, and various odd ball stuff like rock carries/runs, etc?
Re: Scary Dad Strength,
I remember my dad as being scary strong. Now, thanks to T-Nation, I know that while he’s strong, I wouldn’t classify him as scary-strong; I can’t see him DL 600 lbs, for example.
But I know why he was strong - years of rowing, playing rugby, construction work and always, always, always doing physical stuff. I’ve done summer work laying tarmac with him and his cronies and the attitude is really different. They would load up a wheelbarrow full of blinding or tar and move it, and it never occurred to them that it was impossible, too much or overworking. I’ve worked a day where 3 of us moved 18 tons of tarmac, and it was a half day’s work. For the entire crew, it was normal, that was what it took to do the job. If you don’t think something is heavy, it isn’t.
I’ve had a similar experience myself - I couldn’t bench 135 when I was in college, and that was on a machine. Then I went to the USA and found out that it was a warmup weight. Now I’d kick my own ass if I couldn’t bench 135 and make it look easy.
Scary Dad Strength - A Different Time, a different world.