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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
This is the gutsiest race in the superbikes and supermen calendar.

Even Valentino Rossi said he had neither the technique nor the guts to do it

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Dude Rossi did NOT say that- listen again. He didn’t even imply that. Please edit that post.

Also Rossi has already tested Ferrari F1 and lapped faster than Coulthard , Trulli and a few others I can’t remember…he also has raced WRC and took 2nd @ the Monza rally in December winning 4 or 5 stages beating Marcus Gronholm(4th) overall !

your impression of Rossi being a loose canon is way off…he’s as cool headed and precise as they come: cool and precise enough to have ferrari interesting in having in a 3rd car. He’s nicknamed “The Doctor” for chissakes he’s not Ben Bostrum ! …And where do you get all this idea that he can only race in a" controlled environment" ? you think a motoGP race is a controlled environment ? getting round Danni Pedrosa or Casey Stoner is a controlled envirnment ? Or WRC is controlled environment ? Isle of man TT is a more controlled environment than either of these.

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Even from someone who rides a harley, that looks awesome.

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[quote]swivel wrote:

Dude Rossi did NOT say that- listen again. He didn’t even imply that. Please edit that post.[/quote]
I already have - read again. :)[quote]

Also Rossi has already tested Ferrari F1 and lapped faster than Coulthard , Trulli and a few others I can’t remember…he also has raced WRC and took 2nd @ the Monza rally in December winning 4 or 5 stages beating Marcus Gronholm(4th) overall ![/quote] That is fierce![quote]

your impression of Rossi being a loose canon is way off…[/quote] I did not say that. I said he was a mercurial character. That means unpredictable. [quote]

And where do you get all this idea that he can only race in a" controlled environment" ? [/quote] From the poster kneedragger79. Again you are either not reading or you are getting really emotional about it and overreacting on me. I don’t blame you - it is exciting.[quote]

getting round Danni Pedrosa or Casey Stoner is a controlled envirnment ? [/quote]

Casey Stoner had been ill. I have to say Rossi got lucky there.
What do you think about Jorge Lorenzo wanting more money to stay at Yamaha? Again, that is MY interpretation; he actually said it is not about the money it is about being wanted enough. How can Yamaha prove they want him enough?
Personally, I want Ducati for the win with Stoner dominating this season.
Then enjoy a rivalry between Pedrosa and Lorenzo.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

The Z750 / Z1000 … man I love those bikes. [/quote]

The more I see the new z1000 the more I want one! Not sure if it’s the same bike over there as it is here.

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This is the model shown in the UK sites.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]swivel wrote:

Dude Rossi did NOT say that- listen again. He didn’t even imply that. Please edit that post.[/quote]
I already have - read again. :)[quote]

Also Rossi has already tested Ferrari F1 and lapped faster than Coulthard , Trulli and a few others I can’t remember…he also has raced WRC and took 2nd @ the Monza rally in December winning 4 or 5 stages beating Marcus Gronholm(4th) overall ![/quote] That is fierce![quote]

your impression of Rossi being a loose canon is way off…[/quote] I did not say that. I said he was a mercurial character. That means unpredictable. [quote]

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Perhaps you should read what you wrote again… you wrote he was “out of control” , " emotionally volitile" and prone to making “crazy daring moves” . you also wrote he was " not a cool cat ( non visceral or predictably steady)" and also characterized him as “a little fire ball” without the proper temperment for a time trial and you are waaaay off. Rossi is the Doctor- as cool and precise as Schumi and also braver and more inventiv imo. I agree with you that he is “Mercurial” but if he is also “unpredictable” it is by virtue of being so far ahead of the rest us, not because he is unstable emotionally. In this light Rossi’s moves are about as “unpredictable” as Gary Kasparov’s.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Ben-

Next you’ll tell me that F1 drivers have more skill than any MotoGP rider. Sorry man but in my experience, riding on the track takes way more skill than racing on the open roads. Yes I have not raced the Isle, yet I tore it up with a couple of friends back where I used to go to college. Then I got into racing at the tracks. Similar and yet different experiences. The track is where I went to prove myself, because running on the roads was going to end with me buried 7’ under ground.

Myself and most people can’t hold a candle to the guy’s who race for a living. By no means am I saying that the guys who run TT’s are slow. They DO have big balls. Yet the guys who race MotoGP are both balls AND brains. You think tire selection is just a good guess? Yeah they don’t have tire technicians who could make most people look dumb. And all tracks are in superb condition. Sorry man, not the case. You have heard of Laguna right?

As Rossi says, racing a 500cc bike is like riding the bike, on the blade of a sword. Mess up a little in either direction, your day is over. Being the best in the world takes more than just a skill on the track. Do racers go to the Isle to prove themselves? Or do they race in MotoGP?

You are right, road racing takes skill, no mistakes, build your lap times as you learn the tracks and avoid any abnormalities in the road. One hundred percent right. And yet learning 18 DIFFERENT tracks is somehow not the same as learning the exact same 60.72 km stretch of road is different how? Learning the tracks as they change venues every year is a greater challenge.

Suspension set up is a give and a take. You can get the bike to behave perfectly in one specific area, yet it will fail in others. Every setup is different for every racer. They all have different styles.

Let me reiterate this, the guys who race the Isle are damn fast and deserve respect. The guys who race MotoGP are in another class. And how many women run in the Isle vs. MotoGP? And a prototype is somehow easier to handle than a production bike? And MotoGP bike make more power than any production bike at a 800cc capacity. Easier to handle right? That makes them more tame right?

I told you before why Rossi doesn’t race on the Isle or for that matter, in any TT’s. Yamaha pays him an undisclosed amount to race where they want him. The factories compete with each other in MotoGP, not in any TT.

Sorry dude, Rossi is a god in MotoGP. Why has he dominated almost every championship since he started almost a decade ago? Comparing body lifting and road racing isn’t really even related, besides maybe the fact they have to both eat a controlled diet. Similarities end there.

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Rossi is the greatest of all time in GP races. That is all. I respect him for being very talented, and good at riding on a nice smooth track. Thats a great skill. Know why he doesnt road race? Cause theres no money in it. Plus, its too hard and dangerous.

Road racing is hardcore. It’s dangerous. It requires a lot of skill. You cant make a mistake. You need to build your laptimes up, you need to learn the track, where to avoid the manhole cover… you need to ride it RECENTLY, you need to see if theres any grease anywhere and if so where to avoid it. You need guys that can set up a standard bike the very best they can for ALL kinds of features in the road.

Saying rossi is a god at motorcycle racing is stupid. He’s the best at GP’s. Thats not all there is.

As far as saying “Rossi would win road racing if it was controlled and safe” … what the fuck?! Thats like saying “A bodybuilder would dominate powerlifting if the deciding factor was how good you look on stage”. [/quote]
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Riding a road that is a track is a lot harder than riding another road thats not a track. Sorry I dont understand, they’re both roads right? You just dont have the nuts to ride hard on the road. Neither do I. That’s okay. That is what makes TT riders better RACERS. If you dont understand, look for an interview with jackie stewart that talks about M.Schumacher.

/conversation.

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[quote]swivel wrote:

Perhaps you should read what you wrote again… you wrote he was “out of control” , " emotionally volitile" and prone to making “crazy daring moves” . you also wrote he was " not a cool cat ( non visceral or predictably steady)" and also characterized him as “a little fire ball” without the proper temperment for a time trial and you are waaaay off. Rossi is the Doctor- as cool and precise as Schumi and also braver and more inventiv imo. I agree with you that he is “Mercurial” but if he is also “unpredictable” it is by virtue of being so far ahead of the rest us, not because he is unstable emotionally. In this light Rossi’s moves are about as “unpredictable” as Gary Kasparov’s.

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Yes, I understand now that my choice of words has led you to read “emotional instability”.
I actually think he is a sensing type, not an emotional one - not by a mile.
So that was not what I meant and I do not see it that way, though I see the negative association held by society with the way I described him.

There is intellectual “cool”.
There is sensing/visceral “cool”.
There is emotional “cool”.

These are the three dominant types I usually use to describe people and they have different qualities which do not necessarily mean instability/dysfunctional:
I meant to say he was a visceral, gut oriented character and in that sense contrasted with the intellectually ‘cool’ types.
My apologies for rambling on on that post; I was writing that first thing in the morning from waking up way too early when I am a night person.

It goes without saying that he is precise, focused and level headed enough to be a genius of the track.

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You are all so right. Rossi is so slow that after an entire year he gets in the seat of an F1 and turns a time fast enough to qualify in 18th place on the grid. And mind you this wasn’t even under ideal conditions.

Going fast on two wheels relates to going fast in a car more than the opposite direction. If Rossi were to race in the Isle, of any TT for that matter, he would dominate the races just like he dominates MotoGP. If Rossi isn’t a god, make your arguments otherwise ; )