TT Isle of Man

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’ve got a vfr400 just cause they sound AWESOME and the handling is insane. I dont trust myself with anything over a 600 [/quote] I know what you mean. I have the same issue; fearlessness if not buffered by ultimate respect for life and wisdom can be a double edge sword.
My first choice was the Kawasaki z750 2007 model but I couldn’t have that as I had to stick to a 125 ( beginner CBT licence only ). The Honda you have was the second choice but eliminated on the same grounds.[quote]

  • I’ve been on my mates zx6r and I found myself arriving at 110 mph just by going through the gears, not even pinning the throttle. Thats good news for my enjoyment, but bad news for my liscence. The UK laws on driving and riding are getting ridiculous, I dont know how it is over where you are but I start to see over 100 and I’m more worried about my liscence these days.[/quote] That is one of the reasons I am strongly considering selling the bike and just waiting till I move either to the US or Brazil. I need the room to be able to be expansive and London absolutely does not have the space. And with the cctvs and speed cameras EVERYWHERE one can’t even have a private moment of joy.[quote]

As far as bike gear goes - I’m pretty understanding of that. I have 16" calves and only 22" legs - to get a decent fit is really difficult cause the calf part is always too small, or the thigh is too big - and the waist is all over the place. I’d put some money away for some tailored leathers - but considering I want to add about 40lbs of mass I’ve brought a power rack with some of those proceeds instead lol.[/quote] 40lbs is a fantastic goal. You will feel like a different man.[quote]

The american stunting scene and the offroad stuff is really high level, but from what a friend told me theres not many quick road riders compared to the nutters you get over here. You’d LOVE the TT but you always need to book up early if you wanna stay on the island for a while.[/quote] Book for a hotel, right? Please tell me I don’t have to pay to sit on the wall to watch the race because that is what I was going to do.[quote]

What bike do you have?[/quote]

Aprilia RS125 racing full power.
Which was a mistake for a first bike to learn to ride in central London.
The bike is SUPREMELY fine tuned for top speeds. You put it on first gear and you can feel the engine is fully ENGAGED and ready to fire out like a racing horse just waiting for the gates to open. Phenomenal. You become fully alert your self just by sitting on something that you senses are telling you is so dynamic and vibrant and alive. It is, in fact, like being fully alive. I can understand now why men in “mid life crises” buy fast cars - and quite right.
PLUS it is unrestricted - I was told I am not road legal and that the police can tell it is so - is that true? Is your bike restricted?

Another problem I am having is that the bike keeps cutting off. I removed the battery and recharged. Added distilled water. Cleaned the spark plug. Changed the spark plug. And it is not even ticking over. I pushed up a very steep hill and attempted to push start it on second gear going downhill and it did not work. The only think I did not try was to adjust the cold start control because it seemed very delicate ( the ideal clearance must be about 2 to 3 cm ). I did pay for a mechanic to get it going then I went riding for 3 days and joy of joys. I was in love. During the week I could not ride but went out of my way to switch the bike on for an hour so the bike would not die on me again. When I took for a ride on the weekend, the bike cut out on the traffic light just 2 blocks after I took out of the garage.
I was gutted. Then, in full indignation I decided to push the bike all the way back to the garage non stop and nearly gave myself a heart attack ( I was smoking these kick ass Indonesian clove cigarettes at the time and tired out easily ). I remember making one pause and having a fit of anger saying:
" I am a woman. I am not supposed to be doing this. This is a man’s job…*&#%, &@#, %#@ …men make this look so easy - how do they do it? "
Looking back, it was funny but I do not wish to do that again.

And that is why the bike has been decorating the garage ever since and I am about to put it out for sale because I simply cannot ride it at the high speeds that it requires to keep it tuned. I was told by the Aprilia specialist ( I called the store ) that this is a racing bike, it loves to be revved and you need to be using it and pushing the engine because that is what it was designed for.

As soon as the snow clears I am calling the mechanic again to get it going and will decide if I sell it of if I go ride at the crack of down when there is no traffic so I can push it a little and get caught by the speed cameras, haha.

That is an actual picture of my bike. It belonged to a boy from a family of bike enthusiasts and he used to race his father on the Honda 1000cc and the Dad told me it kept up very well!

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
No way Rossi is racing in the TT. I just can’t see Yamaha risking it. They pay him something like 30 million a year. Would you risk that for a race that people are killed in and has no bearing on the his own series.[/quote] That is a good point. I did not think of that. I did think, though, that TT riders had be more heavy weight, I mean, Rossi flying off and smashing into a tree trunk at those speeds he will be gone in seconds - he is very skinny. Did you watch him come off the track in one of the last races last year and PICK UP THE BIKE PUSH IT AND get back onto the race?!! His fresh little boy looks conceal a SUPERB athlete. I am not easily impressed but Rossi impresses me - even thought he sounds like a girl, lol ( I love his interviews too, the accent is sooo heavy!! He seems full of life and joy, bless his riding socks )[quote]
I hope I’m right, but if he is he’s crazy.[/quote] I thought last year was his last?[quote]

When Rossi won another title this year I was going to start a thread but I didn’t think it would get much responce. [/quote] I was going to do that also but felt the same way.[quote]

“V For Victory” with Joey Dunlop was a movie made in the early eighties that is a must see for anyone thats interested in the TT imo. I’ll never forget the part when Joey is doing a running dialoge whilst watching the on bike camera footage. On one corner that’s insanely hard he say’s “I’m not to fond of that corner”. So casual like he’s doing a taste test for some new product lol.
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The must get used to it - that is the only explanation I have. Or, they are like Bill Roberts, who was telling me on another thread he doesn’t have any visceral sensations when riding his 20mph per second acceleration bikes ( I think mine is 26mph actually, coming to think of it and my pants were on fire just by sitting on it ).
I have been in awe of him ever since, hahaha…
Have you seen a movie called “The Right Stuff” about Chuck Yeager? One of, if not, my favourite movie of all time! Any man who can handle huge amounts of power and be, remain still can have my hand in marriage.

Talk about elite.

Fucking badass pretty much sums it up, I have been watching it as well.

LOVE Isle of Mann! Didn’t know Rossi rode it, that’s cool. That dude is rediculously talented at riding, he doesn’t even try and he wins!

So what’s everyone ride here? I ride an 07 GSXR-600, FUN!

07 gsxr 750

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Okay, people dont seem to have listened to my advice about finding the legend that is guy martin, I’m going to have to give you this link:

THAT is what I’m talking about. Voice over essential :D[/quote]

That is crazy. I love how calm that guy is.

Rossi did NOT race in the TT. He rode a ‘sight in’ lap with Ago, I assume to experience the track for himself. He watches the Isle DVD’s, a lot. People say that Martin and such are the best in the world. Not to be a neurotic fool, but that is not correct. Rossi says he wouldn’t race the Isle of Man because of the danger, not because he doesn’t have the skill and talent. Rossi has broken nearly every record there is in MotoGP. His total win’s are now 103 vs Ago’s record of 123 (according to Rossi’s interpretation of the total number). Rossi will break the largest and biggest challenge, attaining more world titles. Rossi now has 9 world titles and Ago’s record is 15, Nieto has 13. Here is a list of Rossi’s current records, courtesy of FIAT Yamaha, his sponsor:

  • He already held the all-time premier class victories record, having beaten Agostiniâ??s tally at Indianapolis in 2008. He now a premier-class win total of 77.

  • Rossis victory this season at Brno saw him take the all-time podium record with his 160th podium in all classes. He is also the only rider to have stood on the podium in the premier-class more than 100 times. Sundays podium at Sepang was his 163rd in all classes.

  • With 44 wins from 102 races since he joined the Japanese factory in 2004, Rossi is the most successful Yamaha rider of all time. He has 21 more wins than Kenny Roberts, Yamahaâ??s next most successful rider.

  • Rossiâ??s latest title means he has now won more championships for Yamaha than for any of the other manufacturers he has ridden for in his career.

  • His win at Misano this year was his 11th win in all classes on home soil.

  • Rossi is the only rider in history to have won at least one GP in 14 successive seasons

Racing on the street is different than the track. On the track you are in a controlled environment and things are typically not going to cause a disaster. Daijiro Kato died back in '03 in a MotoGP race. Before that it had been a number of years since someone had passed while racing. Norick Abe died in '07 while on a scooter in Japan. Road riding is so dangerous because of the environment.

Rossi would dominate the TT IF it were controlled and safe. I like Rossi because he is so modest. Yes the guy’s who race TT have massive balls, yet NO one can touch the god that walks this earth as Rossi.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

That is an actual picture of my bike. It belonged to a boy from a family of bike enthusiasts and he used to race his father on the Honda 1000cc and the Dad told me it kept up very well![/quote]

I like rs125’s, I almost got one as my first bike but decided it was too powerful and my road reading wasn’t good enough.

Bike maint. is very easy, I know many women who ride that are great with bikes - it’s just like anything, time is needed to understand things. Theres no black art, just time and knowledge. I have sympathy with the bike problems though, my battery went flat the other day cause of all this weather and I tried bumping mine with patches of snow and ice everywhere… I got half a mile up the road and realised I was knackered and had to push it all the way back with a slightly sticking front caliper. Screw this prowler business when you have a close on 200KG bike to push uphill for half a mile!

The Z750 / Z1000 … man I love those bikes. Those and almost all the new triumph bikes apart from the tiger, thats not my style.

Definately try and get put up somewhere for the whole weekend experience you’ll love it. Hope you make it!

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Rossi did NOT race in the TT. He rode a ‘sight in’ lap with Ago, I assume to experience the track for himself. He watches the Isle DVD’s, a lot. People say that Martin and such are the best in the world. Not to be a neurotic fool, but that is not correct. Rossi says he wouldn’t race the Isle of Man because of the danger, not because he doesn’t have the skill and talent. Rossi has broken nearly every record there is in MotoGP. His total win’s are now 103 vs Ago’s record of 123 (according to Rossi’s interpretation of the total number). Rossi will break the largest and biggest challenge, attaining more world titles. Rossi now has 9 world titles and Ago’s record is 15, Nieto has 13. Here is a list of Rossi’s current records, courtesy of FIAT Yamaha, his sponsor:

  • He already held the all-time premier class victories record, having beaten Agostiniâ??s tally at Indianapolis in 2008. He now a premier-class win total of 77.

  • Rossiâ??s victory this season at Brno saw him take the all-time podium record with his 160th podium in all classes. He is also the only rider to have stood on the podium in the premier-class more than 100 times. Sundayâ??s podium at Sepang was his 163rd in all classes.

  • With 44 wins from 102 races since he joined the Japanese factory in 2004, Rossi is the most successful Yamaha rider of all time. He has 21 more wins than Kenny Roberts, Yamahaâ??s next most successful rider.

  • Rossiâ??s latest title means he has now won more championships for Yamaha than for any of the other manufacturers he has ridden for in his career.

  • His win at Misano this year was his 11th win in all classes on home soil.

  • Rossi is the only rider in history to have won at least one GP in 14 successive seasons

Racing on the street is different than the track. On the track you are in a controlled environment and things are typically not going to cause a disaster. A racer named Norick Abe died back in '07. Before that it had been a number of years since someone had passed while racing. Rossi would dominate the TT IF it were controlled and safe. I like Rossi because he is so modest. Yes the guy’s who race TT have massive balls, yet NO one can touch the god that walks this earth as Rossi.[/quote]

Rossi is the greatest of all time in GP races. That is all. I respect him for being very talented, and good at riding on a nice smooth track. Thats a great skill. Know why he doesnt road race? Cause theres no money in it. Plus, its too hard and dangerous.

Road racing is hardcore. It’s dangerous. It requires a lot of skill. You cant make a mistake. You need to build your laptimes up, you need to learn the track, where to avoid the manhole cover… you need to ride it RECENTLY, you need to see if theres any grease anywhere and if so where to avoid it. You need guys that can set up a standard bike the very best they can for ALL kinds of features in the road.

Saying rossi is a god at motorcycle racing is stupid. He’s the best at GP’s. Thats not all there is.

As far as saying “Rossi would win road racing if it was controlled and safe” … what the fuck?! Thats like saying “A bodybuilder would dominate powerlifting if the deciding factor was how good you look on stage”.

BEN_VFR85

That vid was just like the v for victory…I can’t undestand half the shit he’s saying lol.

wow. i had no idea there was such a following. im not a rider myself but i found this particular race very intriguing. The idea of going that fast on a bike around city streets is insane. I cant stop watching it. Makes me want a bike for sure.

Ben-

Next you’ll tell me that F1 drivers have more skill than any MotoGP rider. Sorry man but in my experience, riding on the track takes way more skill than racing on the open roads. Yes I have not raced the Isle, yet I tore it up with a couple of friends back where I used to go to college. Then I got into racing at the tracks. Similar and yet different experiences. The track is where I went to prove myself, because running on the roads was going to end with me buried 7’ under ground.

Myself and most people can’t hold a candle to the guy’s who race for a living. By no means am I saying that the guys who run TT’s are slow. They DO have big balls. Yet the guys who race MotoGP are both balls AND brains. You think tire selection is just a good guess? Yeah they don’t have tire technicians who could make most people look dumb. And all tracks are in superb condition. Sorry man, not the case. You have heard of Laguna right?

As Rossi says, racing a 500cc bike is like riding the bike, on the blade of a sword. Mess up a little in either direction, your day is over. Being the best in the world takes more than just a skill on the track. Do racers go to the Isle to prove themselves? Or do they race in MotoGP?

You are right, road racing takes skill, no mistakes, build your lap times as you learn the tracks and avoid any abnormalities in the road. One hundred percent right. And yet learning 18 DIFFERENT tracks is somehow not the same as learning the exact same 60.72 km stretch of road is different how? Learning the tracks as they change venues every year is a greater challenge.

Suspension set up is a give and a take. You can get the bike to behave perfectly in one specific area, yet it will fail in others. Every setup is different for every racer. They all have different styles.

Let me reiterate this, the guys who race the Isle are damn fast and deserve respect. The guys who race MotoGP are in another class. And how many women run in the Isle vs. MotoGP? And a prototype is somehow easier to handle than a production bike? And MotoGP bike make more power than any production bike at a 800cc capacity. Easier to handle right? That makes them more tame right?

I told you before why Rossi doesn’t race on the Isle or for that matter, in any TT’s. Yamaha pays him an undisclosed amount to race where they want him. The factories compete with each other in MotoGP, not in any TT.

Sorry dude, Rossi is a god in MotoGP. Why has he dominated almost every championship since he started almost a decade ago? Comparing body lifting and road racing isn’t really even related, besides maybe the fact they have to both eat a controlled diet. Similarities end there.

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Rossi is the greatest of all time in GP races. That is all. I respect him for being very talented, and good at riding on a nice smooth track. Thats a great skill. Know why he doesnt road race? Cause theres no money in it. Plus, its too hard and dangerous.

Road racing is hardcore. It’s dangerous. It requires a lot of skill. You cant make a mistake. You need to build your laptimes up, you need to learn the track, where to avoid the manhole cover… you need to ride it RECENTLY, you need to see if theres any grease anywhere and if so where to avoid it. You need guys that can set up a standard bike the very best they can for ALL kinds of features in the road.

Saying rossi is a god at motorcycle racing is stupid. He’s the best at GP’s. Thats not all there is.

As far as saying “Rossi would win road racing if it was controlled and safe” … what the fuck?! Thats like saying “A bodybuilder would dominate powerlifting if the deciding factor was how good you look on stage”. [/quote]

[quote]BiscuitChief wrote:

That is crazy. I love how calm that guy is.[/quote]

That is EXACTLY what I meant in my post about being in awe of these guys.
To my eyes, it is as if they are riding on a lightening bolt and making it seem they are just riding down a gentle wave at the sea shore.
I watched that video trying to fathom the level of alertness these guys must have - I imagine it is the equivalent of having 12 cans of Spike shooter in your system.

Outstanding.
Simply outstanding.

@Ben

Thanks for posting it.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

Rossi says he wouldn’t race the Isle of Man because of the danger, not because he doesn’t have the skill and talent.[/quote]

Kneedragger, that was my interpretation of what he said. He did not directly say he didn’t have the technical skills and the COURAGE ( I am sure he has the talent ) but to me that was what he was implying - and that is to be understood that at this point in his career he cannot simply switch to the TT racing style and master it as he does on the track. It does not mean had he FOCUSED on this style of racing from an early age he would not excel.
Personally, I think he is too light weight to be in the TT racing style. He is 182cm tall and weighs a mere 59kg. To illustrate I am 157cm tall and 73kg in weight. I cannot imagine being that light framed and smashing against brick walls and tree trunks on an open road. When he has an accident on the track, at his weight, it is perfect as he just “glides” ( as if it were that sweet but you catch my drift ) and possibly hits a padded obstacle that absorbs the impact.
There is no such a thing in the TT. Like you said, it is not a controlled environment.
My understanding of Rossi’s character is also he is a bit of an out of control, emotionally volatile kind of guy and makes ‘crazy’, daring moves. He has been described as a MERCURIAL CHARACTER. That makes him unpredictable by nature. Put that in an unpredictable environment and what do you get? Double danger.
This is not suited for a race like the TT. He would get himself easily killed in a TT race. Rossi’s talent is more to fight other men, not the elements. He is not a “cool” cat ( I mean non visceral, predictably steady ). Rossi is like a little fire ball and I think his temperament is not suited for the TT.
It is like Ben and myself’s characteristic of: 'I don’t trust myself to ride a…". You just know a certain aspect of your nature will predispose you to an early exit ( death ) and it is under that context I interpreted Rossi’s not having the balls nor the skills for the TT.
I would never be suited for a race like that either because of my temperament and would have the graciousness to concede, like Rossi did, I may not have what it takes for that PARTICULAR kind of racing. It is more dangerous for people like me, and maybe him to face uncontrolled environments such as the TT precisely because we are ‘out of control’/happy to let hell lose/overtaken by sensation types.
When Bill Roberts was telling me how “cool” his riding experiences were I was shocked! And I thought if I were in his riding position I would be in more danger, because I would let the sensation of the riding moment overtake me, and THAT is what I think Rossi has and THAT is what makes him a great champion for the TRACK because he can CREATE victories, like an ARTIST (Coincidently, Bill and I were having this conversation on an thread about capacity for art ).

Rossi is ART ON THE TRACK.
That might just mean DEATH ON THE ROAD.

It would, at least for me. And that is why I waited until I was mature enough to get a motorbike; I always knew I would be riding death and serious injury before, not because of the bike or the track, but because I didn’t trust myself enough not to be overtaken by the moment and throw all caution and ride the wind - that is how I ride.
To infinity and beyond…hahaha!

Rossi would dominate the TT IF it were controlled and containable, because he is a ‘you cannot contain me’ kind of guy and that is what allows him to excel in the track: It gives him boundaries so that he can be completely ‘crazy’ on it.[quote]

I like Rossi because he is so modest. Yes the guy’s who race TT have massive balls, yet NO one can touch the god that walks this earth as Rossi.[/quote]

Yes, it is his modesty that makes me love him and that is for sure. He could be the biggest cock of all and yet he is humble enough. He is indeed in a category of his own.

I am finding your conversation with Ben interesting. But I am leaning to side with Ben’s arguments. I think we are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to TT and track racing.
And I know I just don’t have what it takes for TT style. And maybe is not that more courage is needed, but a different kind of courage, or a coolness of character that I do not possess being by nature the character of fire.

Both elements, fire and water are equally powerful in their own right.

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

Bike maint. is very easy, I know many women who ride that are great with bikes - it’s just like anything, time is needed to understand things. Theres no black art, just time and knowledge.[/quote] I know. I even though about becoming a bike mechanic - I do like it! But I like my nails too, :)[quote]

I have sympathy with the bike problems though, my battery went flat the other day cause of all this weather and I tried bumping mine with patches of snow and ice everywhere… I got half a mile up the road and realised I was knackered and had to push it all the way back with a slightly sticking front caliper. Screw this prowler business when you have a close on 200KG bike to push uphill for half a mile![/quote]
You are joking…I think my bike is 115kg and though I have no problem deadlifting that at the gym, pushing that weigh on two wheels leaning to the other side taking me with it is a maddening challenge. I am sure you made it look a lot more effortless than me. That is the beauty of being a man, you guys make it look so easy I want to emulate you and of course I kill myself in the process, hahaha…[quote]

The Z750 / Z1000 … man I love those bikes. Those and almost all the new triumph bikes apart from the tiger, thats not my style.[/quote] The only thing I do not like about my bike is the 2 stroke engine “mosquito noise”. I LOVE the thundery sound of the 1000cc’s. It is like music to my ears! [quote]

Definately try and get put up somewhere for the whole weekend experience you’ll love it. Hope you make it!
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Thank you for the encouragement. I really needed it.

By the way, has anyone heard Rossi is going to test a Ferrari F1 this year?
Would I not love to see him and Schumacher “on” a track together, eh?

( I am waiting in great anticipation to see Michael’s return as well!!! )
Guess who will be glued to the sports channel in 2010…

Get a copy of one man’s island - a story about an average everyday rider diagnosed with some form of near terminal illness. Who then decides to pursue amateur road racing, then ama racing, then the Mountain Course. (TT) … Its inspiring.

BTW - the Honda fireblade dominated this last season. I have the CBR1000RR (same bike) stock. Its insane on the track. First gear top speed is 92MPH

1984 GS1150

Try pushing this up a hill lol…500+ lbs. When I bought it used in 89’ I weighed about 145 lbs. I could just motor on that thing when I was that small. Never botherd to take a pic with a digital camera so this will have to do. It has a custom paint job now and a supertrap pipe. Mint condition…I can never see myself selling it. It’s an oldie but a goodie.

Winter sucks.

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
1984 GS1150

Try pushing this up a hill lol…500+ lbs.
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Hats off to you, :slight_smile:

It does look very 80’s, brings back nice memories…and it does look very solid!

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

The Z750 / Z1000 … man I love those bikes. [/quote]

The more I see the new z1000 the more I want one! Not sure if it’s the same bike over there as it is here.